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-	====~~Beyond~~ Imago ~~stage~~====	+	====Imago stages====
-	:''Some part of the Daodan's code aren't fully understood yet ~~and Hasegawa's (et al~~.~~) idea of~~ hyperevolution makes us believe that the Imago stage isn't the "end". Of course new environmental catastrophes can mean a threat to imagos so also a new transformation would be necessary. In that aspect we think that these cycles aren't limited. However, it would be an disadvantage to lose a fully developed adaption if situation change back then. A storage system might be involved.''	+	Some text that might be from a researcher's diary.
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		+	multiple Imago stages
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		+	:''Some part of the Daodan's code aren't fully understood yet. This and the "Chrysalis group" posited hyperevolution makes us believe slowly that the Imago stage isn't the "end". Of course new environmental catastrophes can mean a threat to imagos so also a new transformation would be necessary. In that aspect we think that these cycles aren't limited. However, it would be an disadvantage to lose a fully developed adaption if situation change back then. A storage system might be involved.''

	:''A candidate for that matter are [[wikipedia:pseudogenes\|pseudogenes]] which means inactive genes. Thus a gene can forced to become a pseudogene while 'replaced' by a new adapted one. Later "Dual Drive" checks if an older cycle should be rolled back (making the current gene inactive and reactivating the other one).''		:''A candidate for that matter are [[wikipedia:pseudogenes\|pseudogenes]] which means inactive genes. Thus a gene can forced to become a pseudogene while 'replaced' by a new adapted one. Later "Dual Drive" checks if an older cycle should be rolled back (making the current gene inactive and reactivating the other one).''
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	:''An genetic overload cannot be excluded. But that must be solved by future researchers. Our visionary colleague Dr. Sandström (in memory of [[wikipedia:ReGenesis\|ReGenesis]]) points to something he calls "networked Omega-Chimäre" which makes use of advanced nanotechnology.''		:''An genetic overload cannot be excluded. But that must be solved by future researchers. Our visionary colleague Dr. Sandström (in memory of [[wikipedia:ReGenesis\|ReGenesis]]) points to something he calls "networked Omega-Chimäre" which makes use of advanced nanotechnology.''
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		+	the name still ''bugs'' us...
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		+	:''All skills aside, also the Daodan is bounded to the laws of nature, it's not almighty. Extreme changes of the body in a short time probably requires a static state.<!-- biological development happens mostly in sheltered ''places'' like eggs, amniotic sac, or like in case of butterlies: a Chrysalis (for reaching another development stage. (note to self: for more ideas/recherche: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_biology#Metamorphosis, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecdysis -->''
		+	:''In that aspect we might translate the full name "Daodan Chrysalis" as "transformation ''tool'' to reach a new state, best-adapted to the new environmental conditions" whereas "Chrysalis" could be also almost literally taken as "Chrysalis" [pupal stage of butterflies].''
		+	: ''We think that this second ability might exist still hidden inside the code. Single, fast adaptions have been reported; the existence of complete, static transformations still needs to become proofed.''

Mukade

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-	[~~[Names\|~~Other ~~characters]~~]	+	[http://wiki.oni2.net/Category:Characters Other Names]
	==Facts==		==Facts==
	[[Image:Chapter 9 .MISSION COMPLETE.png\|thumb\|320px\|Splashscreen before {{C\|10}}...]]		[[Image:Chapter 9 .MISSION COMPLETE.png\|thumb\|320px\|Splashscreen before {{C\|10}}...]]
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	===Role in Oni===		===Role in Oni===
	====Mission objectives====		====Mission objectives====
-	:~~Add quote here~~...	+	:Muro's master ninja, Mukade, has removed the Hasegawa records from the data archives! You must find him, and retrieve the Data Disk that holds the clues to your past. (Quote from [[Quotes/Objectives#CHAPTER_09_._TRUTH_AND_CONSEQUENCES\|chapter 09 // rooftop level]].)
	====Diary entry====		====Diary entry====
-	:~~Add quote here~~...	+	:That ninja...why do I react to him this way? He feels familiar and I hate him for it. We're like animals whose territory is threatened. I know when I find him we'll be nothing but claws and fangs. The strangest part is that I'm looking forward to it.
		+	:(Quote from [[Quotes/Diary#CHAPTER_08_._AN_INNOCENT_LIFE\|chapter 10 // dream lab]].)
	====Speech====		====Speech====
-	"Does your blood burn when you kill? Mine does!"	+	:"Does your blood burn when you kill? Mine does!"
-	:~~Add full set of~~ quotes ~~here~~.	+	:Read more quotes [[Quotes/Speech#CHAPTER_10_._CAT_AND_MOUSE\|HERE]].
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	====Interviews====		====Interviews====
-	;Hardy LeBel commenting on Mukade's visceral link to [[Konoko\|Konoko]]	+	;[[Credits\|Hardy LeBel]] commenting on Mukade's visceral link to [[Konoko\|Konoko]]
-	:~~Add quote here~~...	+	:More advanced Daodan mutates are hyper-evolved "super predators". All of the aspects of their bodies evolve, including their senses. The "connection" Konoko feels with Mukade is her own evolving senses alerting her that she is on the trail of another Daodan super predator.
		+	:Could she keep herself from killing him once she'd established her dominance, or does the predatory nature of the Chrysalis demand that she destroy any and all threats to her existence? That is the question YOU get to answer for yourself in the Omega Vault.
		+	:At least that's the way I hoped it would feel!
		+	:Quote from [http://forums.bungie.org/oni/archive.pl?read=15104 original Oni Central forum], dated 2/13/01 8:03 p.m..

		+	:People with a Daodan Chrysalis inside them are "super predators" of sorts, so they are very aware of each other: imagine a tiger moving into another tiger's hunting grounds. Anybody who has ever been to the zoo can tell you that you always know when the tigers are about to make their entrance: tigers have a very distinctive odor that you can smell for miles.
		+	:Konoko's internal lines in that level were meant to show her own predatory response to the threat that Mukade presents. And when she ends up talking to Mukade he tries to get her to admit that she's feeling the "thrill of the hunt" and that the creature she is becoming likes to kill, but she denies it.
		+	:Still we all know how that level ends ;^>
		+	:Quote from [http://carnage.bungie.org/oniforum/oni.forum.pl?read=19468 original Oni Central forum], dated 4/3/02 12:05 a.m.

	===Name origin===		===Name origin===

Restless Souls/Technology

Paradox-01 — Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:25:59 GMT

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-	'''breakdown attempt of the meme Daodan-Chrysalis'''	+	'''breakdown attempt of the meme Daodan Chrysalis'''

	: Finally wrote some “technobabble” lines that seem to provide a solid basis but also allow different interpretations. [[User:Paradox-01\|Paradox-01]] 18:28, 9 July 2010 (UTC)		: Finally wrote some “technobabble” lines that seem to provide a solid basis but also allow different interpretations. [[User:Paradox-01\|Paradox-01]] 18:28, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
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	Some abilities can't be simply or sufficiently integrated into an organism but the ability or its product can be received from a symbiont.		Some abilities can't be simply or sufficiently integrated into an organism but the ability or its product can be received from a symbiont.

-	So, it seems likely to enlist microorganisms for more sensory tasks and abilities which are actually alien to the human. For this reason, the Daodan needs to upgrade the microorganisms' genomes as well. ~~In sum they are named metagenome~~.	+	So, it seems likely to enlist microorganisms for more sensory tasks and abilities which are actually alien to the human. For this reason, the Daodan needs to upgrade the microorganisms' genomes as well. Their totality is called microbiome.

-	Next, communication between the symbionts has to be ensured. A more or less standardized cell organelle might do the job by using messenger substances. Or it transmits different electromagnetic waves which existence doesn't seem too alien in comparison to the real bioelektric field of each living organism and wound give an explanation attempt of the ~~Daodau~~ glow. (Some metabolic waste products – which are released through the body surface together with perspiration – might become stimulated to glow by the field.)	+	Next, communication between the symbionts has to be ensured. A more or less standardized cell organelle might do the job by using messenger substances. Or it transmits different electromagnetic waves which existence doesn't seem too alien in comparison to the real bioelektric field of each living organism and wound give an explanation attempt of the Daodan glow. (Some metabolic waste products – which are released through the body surface together with perspiration – might become stimulated to glow by the field.)

	For processing the received information, the Daodan might use an own “self-awareness”, mainly a kind of “bodyimage” formed by another organelle type inside every daodanized cell. The presence of such organelle in neurons opens the possibility for – how geyser coined it – “schizophrenia of the 3rd kind” but also Kerr's idea of a mental interface which allows influence on the Daodan's development by the host's personality.		For processing the received information, the Daodan might use an own “self-awareness”, mainly a kind of “bodyimage” formed by another organelle type inside every daodanized cell. The presence of such organelle in neurons opens the possibility for – how geyser coined it – “schizophrenia of the 3rd kind” but also Kerr's idea of a mental interface which allows influence on the Daodan's development by the host's personality.

-	If we want to know more about the decision making algorithms (and their physical structures) which calculates the mutations, we will need ~~ask~~ to Hasegawa. ;-)	+	If we want to know more about the decision making algorithms (and their physical structures) which calculates the mutations, we will need to ask Hasegawa. ;-)

-	Depending on the target – human Daodan genome, Daodan ~~metagenome~~, their epigenomes, or even organelle genomes (like mitochondrions and plastids have) – a few different “vectors” (e.g. viruses) need to be available to transport the mutation. (To ease further talk one might like to merge the genome names under ~~something more simple~~ like Daodan ~~genome~~ or even shorter daogenome.)	+	Depending on the target – human Daodan genome, Daodan microbiome, both their epigenomes, or even organelle genomes (like mitochondrions and plastids have) – a few different “vectors” (e.g. viruses) need to be available to transport the mutation. (To ease further talk one might like to merge the genome names under one term like Daodan metagenome or even shorter daogenome.)

	However, it's hard to believe that the Daodan could be able to come up with fitting mutations completely by its own. It seems more likely to me that it draws on “genetic building blocks” holding basis information for fast regeneration, resistances, different metabolisms, and so on.		However, it's hard to believe that the Daodan could be able to come up with fitting mutations completely by its own. It seems more likely to me that it draws on “genetic building blocks” holding basis information for fast regeneration, resistances, different metabolisms, and so on.
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-	'''natural ~~reporduction~~ of human hosts'''	+	'''natural reproduction of human hosts'''
	: [http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=26881#p26881 Iritscen's post] on the OCF initiated me to think about following problem.		: [http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=26881#p26881 Iritscen's post] on the OCF initiated me to think about following problem.

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	Short term threats: local balance breaks.<br>		Short term threats: local balance breaks.<br>
-	Long term threat: integration of Daodan's genetic material into ~~parasits~~, germs, etc.<br>	+	Long term threat: integration of Daodan's genetic material into parasites, germs, etc.<br>
-	A unprobable long term chance: symbiosis at ~~planetar~~ scale - "Gaia".	+	A unprobable long term chance: symbiosis at planetary scale - "Gaia".

	(To be continued.)		(To be continued.)
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	Manche Fähigkeiten lassen sich nicht so einfach oder nur unzureichend in einen Organismus integrieren. Die Fähigkeit oder ihr Produkt kann aber durch einen Symbiosepartner geliefert werden.		Manche Fähigkeiten lassen sich nicht so einfach oder nur unzureichend in einen Organismus integrieren. Die Fähigkeit oder ihr Produkt kann aber durch einen Symbiosepartner geliefert werden.

-	Es ist also naheliegend die Mikroorganismen für weitere Sensorik und eigentlich humanfremde Fähigkeiten heranzuziehen. Aus diesem Grund muss die Daodan auch die Genome der Mikroorganismen, zusammengefasst ~~Metagenom~~ genannt, aufrüsten.	+	Es ist also naheliegend die Mikroorganismen für weitere Sensorik und eigentlich humanfremde Fähigkeiten heranzuziehen. Aus diesem Grund muss die Daodan auch die Genome der Mikroorganismen, zusammengefasst Mikrobiom genannt, aufrüsten.

	Als nächstes muss Kommunikation zwischen den Symbiosepartner sichergestellt werden. Ein mehr oder weniger standardisiertes Zellorganell in jeder Daodanzelle könnte vielleicht über Botenstoffe dem Rechnung tragen. Oder es sendet verschiedene elektromagnetische Wellen aus, deren Existenz gegenüber dem bioelektrischen Feld eines jeden lebenden Organismus als nicht zu weit hergeholt erscheinen mag und ein Erklärungsansatz für die Daodan-Aura bieten würde. (Einige Stoffwechselabfallprodukte, die über die Haut mit dem Schweiß abgegeben werden, könnten in dem Feld zum leuchten angeregt werden.)		Als nächstes muss Kommunikation zwischen den Symbiosepartner sichergestellt werden. Ein mehr oder weniger standardisiertes Zellorganell in jeder Daodanzelle könnte vielleicht über Botenstoffe dem Rechnung tragen. Oder es sendet verschiedene elektromagnetische Wellen aus, deren Existenz gegenüber dem bioelektrischen Feld eines jeden lebenden Organismus als nicht zu weit hergeholt erscheinen mag und ein Erklärungsansatz für die Daodan-Aura bieten würde. (Einige Stoffwechselabfallprodukte, die über die Haut mit dem Schweiß abgegeben werden, könnten in dem Feld zum leuchten angeregt werden.)
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	Für die genauen Entscheidungsalgorithmen und ihrer physischen Strukturen zur Mutationsfindung müssten wir wohl Hasegawa fragen. ;-)		Für die genauen Entscheidungsalgorithmen und ihrer physischen Strukturen zur Mutationsfindung müssten wir wohl Hasegawa fragen. ;-)

-	Abhängig vom Ziel – menschliches Daodan-Genom, Daodan-~~Metagenom~~, ihrer Epigenome, oder sogar Organell-Genome (wie Mitochondrien und Plastiden sie haben) – müssen ein paar unterschiedliche „Vektoren“ (unter anderem Viren) verfügbar sein um die Mutation zu transportieren. (Um Diskussionen zu vereinfachen, mag ~~einer~~ vielleicht die Gesamtheit der involvierten Genome ~~einfach~~ Daodan-~~Genom~~ oder Daogenom ~~nennen~~.)	+	Abhängig vom Ziel – menschliches Daodan-Genom, Daodan-Mikrobiom, ihrer beider Epigenome, oder sogar Organell-Genome (wie Mitochondrien und Plastiden sie haben) – müssen ein paar unterschiedliche „Vektoren“ (unter anderem Viren) verfügbar sein um die Mutation zu transportieren. (Um Diskussionen zu vereinfachen, mag man vielleicht die Gesamtheit der involvierten Genome unter einem Begriff zusammenfassen wie Daodan-Metagenom oder kurz Daogenom.)

	Trotzdem ist es schwer zu glauben, dass die Daodan vollkommen alleine im Stande wäre passende Mutationen zu erzeugen. Es ist vielleicht glaubwürdiger, wenn die Daodan auf „genetische Bausteine“ zurückgreift, die Basisinformationen für schnelle Regeneration, Resistenzen, unterschiedliche Stoffwechsel, und so weiter enthalten.		Trotzdem ist es schwer zu glauben, dass die Daodan vollkommen alleine im Stande wäre passende Mutationen zu erzeugen. Es ist vielleicht glaubwürdiger, wenn die Daodan auf „genetische Bausteine“ zurückgreift, die Basisinformationen für schnelle Regeneration, Resistenzen, unterschiedliche Stoffwechsel, und so weiter enthalten.
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	====Beyond Imago stage====		====Beyond Imago stage====
-	:''~~Fact~~ of ~~50%~~'' (~~whyever this number~~..*) ~~''of unknown genes and general~~ idea of hyperevolution we believe that Imago stage isn't the "end". Of course new environmental catastrophes can mean a threat to imagos so also a new transformation would be necessary. In that aspect we think that these cycles aren't limited. However, it would be an disadvantage to lose a fully developed adaption if situation change back then. A storage system might be involved.''	+	:''Some part of the Daodan's code aren't fully understood yet and Hasegawa's (et al.) idea of hyperevolution makes us believe that the Imago stage isn't the "end". Of course new environmental catastrophes can mean a threat to imagos so also a new transformation would be necessary. In that aspect we think that these cycles aren't limited. However, it would be an disadvantage to lose a fully developed adaption if situation change back then. A storage system might be involved.''

	:''A candidate for that matter are [[wikipedia:pseudogenes\|pseudogenes]] which means inactive genes. Thus a gene can forced to become a pseudogene while 'replaced' by a new adapted one. Later "Dual Drive" checks if an older cycle should be rolled back (making the current gene inactive and reactivating the other one).''		:''A candidate for that matter are [[wikipedia:pseudogenes\|pseudogenes]] which means inactive genes. Thus a gene can forced to become a pseudogene while 'replaced' by a new adapted one. Later "Dual Drive" checks if an older cycle should be rolled back (making the current gene inactive and reactivating the other one).''
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	:''An genetic overload cannot be excluded. But that must be solved by future researchers. Our visionary colleague Dr. Sandström (in memory of [[wikipedia:ReGenesis\|ReGenesis]]) points to something he calls "networked Omega-Chimäre" which makes use of advanced nanotechnology.''		:''An genetic overload cannot be excluded. But that must be solved by future researchers. Our visionary colleague Dr. Sandström (in memory of [[wikipedia:ReGenesis\|ReGenesis]]) points to something he calls "networked Omega-Chimäre" which makes use of advanced nanotechnology.''
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-	~~<nowiki>*</nowiki> IMO, even if there's a recognize-all-kinds-of-threats-and-how-to-mutate mechanism then it would take probably more space than all other programs listed in here.~~


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	'''Ein Virus in einem Pilz in einer Pflanze: Drei-Wege-Symbiose benötigt für Hitzetoleranz'''		'''Ein Virus in einem Pilz in einer Pflanze: Drei-Wege-Symbiose benötigt für Hitzetoleranz'''

-	Eine mutuale Gemeinschaft von einem endophytischen Pilz und einer tropischen Rutenhirse (Panicum virgatum) erlaubt beiden Organismen ~~in heißen Böden~~ zu wachsen. Wir charakterisierten ein Virus von diesem Pilz, der an der mutualen Interaktion beteiligt ist. Isolierte Pilze, die vom Virus geheilt wurden, waren unfähig Hitzetoleranz zu übertragen, jedoch wurde die Hitzetoleranz nach der Rückeinführung des Virus wiederhergestellt. Der virusinfizierte Pilz übertrug Hitzetoleranz nicht nur an seinen natürlichen einkeimblättrige Wirt sondern auch an ein dreifurchenpollen-zweikeimblättrigen Wirt, was nahelegt, dass die zugrundeliegenden Mechanismen zwischen den beiden Pflanzengruppen zu finden sind.	+	Eine mutuale Gemeinschaft von einem endophytischen Pilz und einer tropischen Rutenhirse (Panicum virgatum) erlaubt beiden Organismen bei hohen Bodentemperaturen zu wachsen. Wir charakterisierten ein Virus von diesem Pilz, der an der mutualen Interaktion beteiligt ist. Isolierte Pilze, die vom Virus geheilt wurden, waren unfähig Hitzetoleranz zu übertragen, jedoch wurde die Hitzetoleranz nach der Rückeinführung des Virus wiederhergestellt. Der virusinfizierte Pilz übertrug Hitzetoleranz nicht nur an seinen natürlichen einkeimblättrige Wirt sondern auch an ein dreifurchenpollen-zweikeimblättrigen Wirt, was nahelegt, dass die zugrundeliegenden Mechanismen zwischen den beiden Pflanzengruppen zu finden sind.
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