OBD talk:BINA/OBJC/CMBT - Revision history

Iritscen: +cat

2022-05-04T16:06:42Z

+cat

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EdT at 02:41, 31 July 2007

2007-07-31T02:41:37Z

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	:New CMBT profile added- Average_striker. It is designed for normal "come'n'go" Syndicate strikers , altough other classes can use it, too. And I will (probably tomorrow) write something about link between "CMBT melee override" and "ONWC minimal shooting distance". Now I don't have time + I have to check if I am correct or not.		:New CMBT profile added- Average_striker. It is designed for normal "come'n'go" Syndicate strikers , altough other classes can use it, too. And I will (probably tomorrow) write something about link between "CMBT melee override" and "ONWC minimal shooting distance". Now I don't have time + I have to check if I am correct or not.
	--[[User:Loser\|Loser]] 17:56, 28 July 2007 (CEST)		--[[User:Loser\|Loser]] 17:56, 28 July 2007 (CEST)

			Just a note: I came across the message "pursuit mode 'Hunt' not yet implemented" in the Airport Level after the Sp2

			EdT

Loser: fixed new Average_striker profile

2007-07-28T15:56:16Z

fixed new Average_striker profile

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	!Average_striker		!Average_striker
	\|0x11=17\|\|firing charge\|\|colspan=3\|hold and fire\|\|firing charge		\|0x11=17\|\|firing charge\|\|colspan=3\|hold and fire\|\|firing charge
	\|\|35\|\|~~135~~\|\|100\|\|short range\|\|melee		\|\|150\|\|50\|\|100\|\|short range\|\|melee
	\|\|0\|\|0\|\|0\|\|0		\|\|0\|\|0\|\|0\|\|0
	\|\|500\|\|75\|\|50\|\|30\|\|180		\|\|500\|\|75\|\|50\|\|30\|\|180
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	:Actually, what happens if a CHAR has a MELE ID which looks for an ONCC that is not present?		:Actually, what happens if a CHAR has a MELE ID which looks for an ONCC that is not present?
	::[[User:Geyser\|geyser]] 00:20, 26 July 2007 (CEST)		::[[User:Geyser\|geyser]] 00:20, 26 July 2007 (CEST)

			:New CMBT profile added- Average_striker. It is designed for normal "come'n'go" Syndicate strikers , altough other classes can use it, too. And I will (probably tomorrow) write something about link between "CMBT melee override" and "ONWC minimal shooting distance". Now I don't have time + I have to check if I am correct or not.
			--[[User:Loser\|Loser]] 17:56, 28 July 2007 (CEST)

Loser at 18:21, 27 July 2007

2007-07-27T18:21:36Z

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	\|\|0\|\|0\|\|0\|\|0\|\|0		\|\|0\|\|0\|\|0\|\|0\|\|0
			\|-align=center
			!Average_striker
			\|0x11=17\|\|firing charge\|\|colspan=3\|hold and fire\|\|firing charge
			\|\|35\|\|135\|\|100\|\|short range\|\|melee
			\|\|0\|\|0\|\|0\|\|0
			\|\|500\|\|75\|\|50\|\|30\|\|180
	\|}		\|}

Geyser: replies

2007-07-25T22:20:13Z

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 ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 18:59, 25 July 2007 (CEST)
 :Finished table of original content, made new table for new content, suggested first new CMBT profile '''Default'''. I keep in mind what you have said (extend original instead of replacing), but this profile is IMO the must to replace Stand_and_Fire. Point is that char with it will just stand as a dummy, indicating to you that he has no CMBT profile or wrong value is inputed in CHAR.
 :TRAM stuff looks hot. Mwhehehe. BTW I have came across strange bug in lookup routines. When you fall from great height and you die, or if you are punched/kicked in mid-air, you should go not into ''knockdown'' anim (that is just a substitute) but to ''land_dead'' anim. But the whole this is messed up somehow, so engine keeps using knockdown anims.
-::--[[User:Loser|Loser]] 21:15, 25 July 2007 (CEST)
+::[[User:Loser|Loser]] 21:15, 25 July 2007 (CEST)

Loser: table finished

2007-07-25T19:15:38Z

table finished

New page

'''CMBT "sorta improvement" project''' - discussion

Original 19 profiles are:
{|{{Table}}
|-bgcolor=#ffddbb
!Name!!ID!!colspan=5|Behavior part!!colspan=5|Combat part!!colspan=4|Non-combatant part!!colspan=5|Alarm behavior
|-bgcolor=#ffddbb
! || 
!long range||medium range||short range||medium retreat||long retreat
!long/medium range||medium/short range||pursuit range||melee override||if no gun
!panic hurt||panic gunfire||panic melee||panic sight
!search distance||enemy ignore distance||enemy attack distance||damage treshold||fight timer
|-align=center
!Stand_and_Fire
|0||colspan=5|hold and fire
||120||40||200||if punched||melee
||600||900||600||1200
||300||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!Sniper
|0xCF=207||colspan=5|hold and fire
||200||20||10||no||melee
||600||900||600||1200
||300||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!Take_my_Big_Black_Stuff
|3||colspan=5|stare
||200||40||200||no||melee
||600||900||600||1200
||300||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!Assault
|4||colspan=2|firing charge||hold and fire||firing charge||hold and fire
||200||40||200||no||melee
||600||900||600||1200
||300||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!Shoot_And_Fight
|2||firing charge||colspan=3|hold and fire||firing charge
||200||40||400||if punched||melee
||600||900||600||1200
||1000||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!Murder
|1||colspan=5|hold and fire
||50||20||20||if punched||melee
||600||900||600||1200
||300||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!Civilian
|5||colspan=5|stare
||200||100||200||no||retreat
||600||900||600||1200
||300||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!Pursuit
|6||colspan=2|firing charge||hold and fire||colspan=2|firing charge
||200||40||0||if punched||melee
||600||900||600||1200
||300||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!Group_battle
|7||colspan=5|hold and fire
||100||20||10||if punched||retreat
||600||900||600||1200
||300||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!Watchman
|8||colspan=5|hold and fire
||200||40||0||if punched||melee
||600||900||600||1200
||300||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!Barabbas_TCTF
|9||Barabbas advance||Barabbas shoot||Barabbas melee||Barabbas shoot||Barabbas advance
||170||30||0||short range||melee
||600||900||600||1200
||300||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!COMGUY
|0x0a=10||colspan=5|hold and fire
||200||40||200||no||run to alarm
||600||900||600||1200
||300||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!SuperNinja
|0x0b=11||Superninja fireball||Superninja advance||Superninja melee||Superninja advance||Superninja fireball
||90||40||0||no||melee
||600||900||600||1200
||300||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!Griffin
|0x0c=12||firing charge||colspan=3|hold and fire||firing charge
||200||40||200||if punched||retreat
||600||900||600||1200
||300||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!Alarm Guard
|0x0e=14||firing charge||hold and fire||melee||hold and fire||firing charge
||200||40||1000||no||melee
||600||900||600||1200
||300||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!Mutant_Muro
|0x0d=13||Muro thunderbolt||colspan=3|Mutant Muro melee||Muro thunderbolt
||120||40||0||always melee||melee
||600||900||600||1200
||300||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!Sniper For Joe
|0xd0=208||colspan=5|hold and fire
||400||50||10||if punched||melee
||600||900||600||1200
||300||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!Non-Combatant
|0x0f=15||colspan=5|none
||200||40||200||short range||melee
||600||600||600||600
||300||80||0||30||300
|-align=center
!Griffin_Final
|0x10=16||firing charge||colspan=3|hold and fire||firing charge
||200||40||200||no||melee
||600||900||600||1200
||300||80||0||30||300
|}

New profiles are:
{|{{Table}}
|-bgcolor=#ffddbb
!Name!!ID!!colspan=5|Behavior part!!colspan=5|Combat part!!colspan=4|Non-combatant part!!colspan=5|Alarm behavior
|-bgcolor=#ffddbb
! || 
!long range||medium range||short range||medium retreat||long retreat
!long/medium range||medium/short range||pursuit range||melee override||if no gun
!panic hurt||panic gunfire||panic melee||panic sight
!search distance||enemy ignore distance||enemy attack distance||damage treshold||fight timer
|-align=center
!Default
|0||colspan=5|none
||0||0||0||no||melee
||0||0||0||0
||0||0||0||0||0
|}

:Looking at your latest edits, you really did a great job, man...
:I wouldn't discuss the possibilities or plan the modding ''here''.
:For that I recommend the Talk pages of the respective resources.
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 18:59, 25 July 2007 (CEST)
:About CMBT and MELE - public releases would of course be single OBJC.
:But for "experts" you could release single chunks: easier to work with.
:Or you can put such wiki-tables on display: maybe it's even better...
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 18:59, 25 July 2007 (CEST)
:As for weapons: feel free to release ONWC with firing-spreads ASAP.
:Whatever tweaking is needed in the ONCC, it can be added later.
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 18:59, 25 July 2007 (CEST)
:As for Rugby and CTF: the parameters are "still very promising".
:Maybe there's enough for me to get started, but I'm not sure yet.
:Tackling is good, but for Rugby there'll have to be sliding, too.
:Note that sliding is not the only option: running kicks work too.
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 18:59, 25 July 2007 (CEST)
:Generally, I would recommend to add new CMBT/MELE/etc to the OBJC.
:It's better to test and to compare: just change an ID in the CHAR.
:Then, when you're done, you can keep the many profiles in the OBJC
:(just flip the IDs between the old MELEE/CMBT and the improved one)
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 18:59, 25 July 2007 (CEST)
:As for the unknown parts of the TRAM, they're almost known now.
:The "danger zone" is a rough test for incoming melee attacks.
:The "extent" part is an additional, much finer collision test.
:It's not actually a real-time collision - more like prediction.
:The AI know where the damage-dealing volume will be.
:Depending on how close it "would come", they dodge/block/etc.
:There's not much room for improvement there, but it's OK.
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 18:59, 25 July 2007 (CEST)
:Finished table of original content, made new table for new content, suggested first new CMBT profile '''Default'''. I keep in mind what you have said (extend original instead of replacing), but this profile is IMO the must to replace Stand_and_Fire. Point is that char with it will just stand as a dummy, indicating to you that he has no CMBT profile or wrong value is inputed in CHAR.
:TRAM stuff looks hot. Mwhehehe. BTW I have came across strange bug in lookup routines. When you fall from great height and you die, or if you are punched/kicked in mid-air, you should go not into ''knockdown'' anim (that is just a substitute) but to ''land_dead'' anim. But the whole this is messed up somehow, so engine keeps using knockdown anims.
::--[[User:Loser|Loser]] 21:15, 25 July 2007 (CEST)