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Iritscen: added signature to old talk page edit

2023-10-11T16:02:34Z

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	If we doesn't get Neo to fix it we will have to export the character twice automatically and let the OniSplit GUI provide the final dae.		If we doesn't get Neo to fix it we will have to export the character twice automatically and let the OniSplit GUI provide the final dae.

	I added a "Repair character textures" option to "Simple OniSplit GUI", though that feature wasn't tested very much.		I added a "Repair character textures" option to "Simple OniSplit GUI", though that feature wasn't tested very much. --[[User:Paradox-01\|paradox-01]] 05:16, 18 August 2016

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Iritscen: moved open questions and longer explanation of anim lookup to the article; marked impact effects, throw pair table and anim picking explanation as done

2023-10-10T15:58:03Z

moved open questions and longer explanation of anim lookup to the article; marked impact effects, throw pair table and anim picking explanation as done

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 : ... following things are done:
 * <strike>motion blur (mini tutorial?)</strike>
-* impact effects (mini tutorial?)
+* <strike>impact effects (mini tutorial?)</strike>
-* TRAM picking mechanism: it gets easier to this mechanism if we differentiate between pool construction and pool usage
+* <strike>TRAM picking mechanism: it gets easier to this mechanism if we differentiate between pool construction and pool usage</strike>
-* throw pair animation table
+* <strike>throw pair animation table</strike>
 * a simple tutorial to let a modder warm up with animations in Blender (it's okay if it rather resembles "round trip") since this page is about the file type itself (therefore: import and export)
 --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] ([[User talk:Paradox-01|talk]]) 16:53, 15 March 2023 (CET)
 ==Problem with exporting a textured character with non-native TRAC animation==
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 "dae to xml(41).bat" will generate files with '''E'''Keys.
 ====... using the Windows address bar====
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 We want to type as less as necessary, don't we? =)
 ====... using onisplit GUI====
 Keep in mind that the GUI is only a mask for onisplit. New onisplit versions - v0.52.9.0 or newer don't have the command -create:tram.
 ====normal animations====
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 Don't forget to add types, variants, particle etc. to your xml file before you convert it to the oni format.
 ====testing the created files====

Iritscen: marked motion blur as done; removed throw table that was moved to XML:TRAM

2023-10-10T13:17:00Z

marked motion blur as done; removed throw table that was moved to XML:TRAM

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Iritscen: restored talk page

2023-10-10T13:02:02Z

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Paradox-01: yoink

2023-10-10T07:04:19Z

yoink

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Iritscen: /* Parts of page in need of updating */ marking motion blur item as completed; a couple suggested changes to Paradox's words to try to clarify, please correct me if I'm wrong

2023-10-09T16:55:56Z

Parts of page in need of updating: marking motion blur item as completed; a couple suggested changes to Paradox's words to try to clarify, please correct me if I'm wrong

Paradox-01: /* Parts of page in need of updating */

2023-03-28T17:00:17Z

Parts of page in need of updating

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	* motion blur (mini tutorial?)		* motion blur (mini tutorial?)
	* impact effects (mini tutorial?)		* impact effects (mini tutorial?)
			* TRAM picking mechanism: it gets easier to this mechanism if we differentiate between pool construction and pool usage
	* throw pair animation table		* throw pair animation table
	* a simple tutorial to let a modder warm up with animations in Blender (it's okay if it rather resembles "round trip") since this page is about the file type itself (therefore: import and export)		* a simple tutorial to let a modder warm up with animations in Blender (it's okay if it rather resembles "round trip") since this page is about the file type itself (therefore: import and export)

Paradox-01 at 06:40, 28 March 2023

2023-03-28T06:40:24Z

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	: Older brain dump.		: Older brain dump.

	Animations never stop, they flow from one to another.		Animations never stop, they flow from one to another. (See also: concept of state machines in gaming.)

	The default case is a character getting spawned and then just standing there, he idles.		The default case is a character getting spawned and then just standing there, he idles.

Paradox-01 at 08:16, 27 March 2023

2023-03-27T08:16:14Z

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	*<strike>The part about extents says that Neo will have to make OniSplit calculate them automatically; doesn't it do that now?</strike>		*<strike>The part about extents says that Neo will have to make OniSplit calculate them automatically; doesn't it do that now?</strike>
	:: Yes, it does. I compared a pure XML extraction against a round-tripped XML-DAE-extraction: The DAE companioned XML gets extracted with no attack ring and extents, so for this test XML and DAE can converted straight back to ONI file format and re-extracted as pure XML. '''Conclusion: OniSplit creates attack ring and extents from DAE data, IMHO the new attack ring and extents match the original data not perfectly but still pretty good.		:: Yes, it does. I compared a pure XML extraction against a round-tripped XML-DAE-extraction: The DAE companioned XML gets extracted with no attack ring and extents, so for this test XML and DAE can converted straight back to ONI file format and re-extracted as pure XML. '''Conclusion: OniSplit creates attack ring and extents from DAE data, IMHO the new attack ring and extents match the original data not perfectly but still pretty good.
	*The "Excel macro" should be rewritten as stand-alone application. Also, its support for XSI should be dropped in favor of blender.		*<strike>The "Excel macro" should be rewritten as stand-alone application. Also, its support for XSI should be dropped in favor of blender.</strike>
			:: That's the theory. Until OniX isn't going to be ... ahem ... a game changer, there will be probably no demand for this. A similar note was added on the non-talk page.
	*This talk page needs an updating too! The material should be incorporated into the article or deleted.		*This talk page needs an updating too! The material should be incorporated into the article or deleted.
	--[[User:Iritscen\|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen\|talk]]) 00:12, 17 March 2021 (CET)		--[[User:Iritscen\|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen\|talk]]) 00:12, 17 March 2021 (CET)

Paradox-01: /* Throw pair animation table */

2023-03-26T22:19:44Z

Throw pair animation table

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	Looks like there was/is support for [[OBD:BINA/OBJC/MELE/MoveList/Throw\|running disarms]]. Though unused types for ~~ThrownN~~ would ~~need to~~ be ~~used~~.		Looks like there was/is support for [[OBD:BINA/OBJC/MELE/MoveList/Throw\|running disarms]]. Though unused types for new Thrown''N'' would be needed.

	Open questions:		Open questions:

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	*<strike>The part about Blender just says that it's theoretically possible to use the program for animations! Link to a modern tutorial please.</strike>		*<strike>The part about Blender just says that it's theoretically possible to use the program for animations! Link to a modern tutorial please.</strike>
	*<strike>The part about extents says that Neo will have to make OniSplit calculate them automatically; doesn't it do that now?</strike>		*<strike>The part about extents says that Neo will have to make OniSplit calculate them automatically; doesn't it do that now?</strike>
	:: Yes, it does. I compared a pure XML extraction against a round-tripped XML-DAE-extraction: The DAE companioned XML gets extracted with no attack ring and extents, so for this test XML and DAE can converted straight back to ONI file format and re-extracted as pure XML. ~~'''~~Conclusion: OniSplit creates attack ring and extents from DAE data, IMHO the new attack ring and extents match the original data not perfectly but still pretty good.		:: Yes, it does. I compared a pure XML extraction against a round-tripped XML-DAE-extraction: The DAE companioned XML gets extracted with no attack ring and extents, so for this test XML and DAE can converted straight back to ONI file format and re-extracted as pure XML. Conclusion: OniSplit creates attack ring and extents from DAE data, IMHO the new attack ring and extents match the original data not perfectly but still pretty good. '''--Paradox'''
	*<strike>The "Excel macro" should be rewritten as stand-alone application. Also, its support for XSI should be dropped in favor of blender.</strike>		*<strike>The "Excel macro" should be rewritten as stand-alone application. Also, its support for XSI should be dropped in favor of blender.</strike>
	:: That's the theory. Until OniX ~~isn't going to be~~ ... ahem ... a game changer, there will be probably no demand for this. A similar note was added on the non-talk page.		:: That's the theory. Until OniX is ... ahem ... a game changer, there will be probably no demand for this. A similar note was added on the non-talk page. '''--Paradox'''
	*This talk page needs an updating too! The material should be incorporated into the article or deleted.		*This talk page needs an updating too! The material should be incorporated into the article or deleted.
	--[[User:Iritscen\|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen\|talk]]) 00:12, 17 March 2021 (CET)		--[[User:Iritscen\|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen\|talk]]) 00:12, 17 March 2021 (CET)

	Additionally to the updates, I'd say the TRAM page should be marked "complete" when ~~...~~		Additionally to the updates, I'd say the TRAM page should be marked "complete" when following things are done:
	~~: ...~~ following things are done:		* <strike>motion blur (mini tutorial?)</strike>
	* motion blur (mini tutorial?)
	* impact effects (mini tutorial?)		* impact effects (mini tutorial?)
	* TRAM picking mechanism: it gets easier to this mechanism if we differentiate between pool construction and pool usage		* TRAM picking mechanism: it gets easier to explain this mechanism if we differentiate between pool construction and pool usage
	* throw pair animation table		* throw pair animation table
	* a simple tutorial to let a modder warm up with animations in Blender (it's okay if it rather resembles "round trip") since this page is about the file type itself (therefore: import and export)		* a simple tutorial to let a modder warm up with animations in Blender (it's okay if it rather resembles "round trip") since this page is about the file type itself (therefore: import and export)