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:A reminder: the Category Tree extension goes hand in hand with this, so we should ask Alloc about installing it on the wiki. Without it, the only page that shows categories is Special:Categories, which lists all cat.s at all levels; CatTree will let us see the hierarchy properly, once it's in place. --'''Iritscen'''
Summary: The basic categories take this overall approach: '''two''' for wiki management ('''Media''', and '''Wiki Support''' for the templates and such), '''two''' for in-universe stuff ('''Inside Oni''' and '''Beyond Oni''', for Oni 1 and Oni 2-ish, respectively), '''one''' for helping people play Oni ('''Oni Support'''), '''one''' for helping people mod Oni ('''Oni Modding'''), and '''one''' for an outside-world approach to Oni ('''Real World'''), which will also catch the random non-Oni-related articles. Trying to narrow the number of cat.s down from here only artificially forces together articles that are unlike each other. The fact that it makes a total of seven categories is purely coincidental, but I think it's a sign that we're doing the right thing. :-3


:"Humor" sounds like too general a name for humorous images. You can make that name more specific and/or allow for a more general Humor category. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
::Er, I made it "Humor images", is that specific enough? Don't know how else it can be improved, it seems fine that way to me. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
:::"Humor images" turns the word "humor" into a grammatically improbable qualifier, in which place "fun" would probably be better because it's already been "adjectivated". Apart from "fun images", my suggestion here would be to make a higher-level category called "Humor" used to categorize ''that'' kind of images, but also articles which are supposed to make people ROFL. Note that you can't categorize sections (dunno if it's unfortunate or fortunate). --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 04:43, 12 November 2008 (CET)
::::This taps into a much larger issue that I suppose we should be considering first and foremost: how do we handle media (for now, at least, just pictures) on the wiki? I see three options:
::::#Separate images at the top level, with their own set of cat.s (as I'm doing now).
::::#Have that level 1 cat. for Images, but with no sub-cat.s, and additionally apply cat.s from the other branches to images as seems appropriate.
::::#Just file the images into the other categories. This might make it hard to manage images, but I'm not sure we *need* to use cat.s to get handles on images; there are other ways to find files on the wiki, at any rate, so maybe all that matters is that images are cat.d, not separately cat.d.
::::I could guess which option you might prefer, but I might guess wrong, so I'll just patiently wait for your answer and go from there. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 18:08, 12 November 2008 (CET)
::::So, at this point, I'm choosing to stay with answer 1, but I've taken your suggestion and gone with "Fun images". --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 22:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


:I'm afraid I can't make a definitive statement on any trunk after "Images" as a whole. Just a few casual remarks right now. More, later, maybe. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
'''Contents'''
:'''Beyond Oni'''
::Added value
::Fan-made games
::Oni 2


:I wouldn't call "Templates" an "Administrative" category. Also, the categories should be named as explicitly as possible and in "... ''templates''" --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
::Templates are definitely administrative, unless you propose making another level-1 cat. for them, which to me isn't justified. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
:::Templates are often created by regular editors as a typesetting commodity, not set up by admins with maintenance in mind. They are a basic feature of MediaWiki, and I don't think you should label the whole lot of them as something "administrative". The only "administrative" templates are what you called "administrative templates", really. Maybe you are looking for another name than "Administrative", something like "Wiki-world" (as opposed to Real-world and Oni-world). It may also be that the "Images" subtree actually belongs in that "wiki-space": like "Templates", the root of that hierarchy is redundant of a fundamental built-in functionality of MediaWiki. The three trunks "Real-world", "Oni-world" and "Wiki-world" make sense to me. The last trunk (wiki-world) is perhaps the most clear-cut: a purely utilitary categorization of the wiki's basic resources (e.g., images categorized as resources, regardless of their specific usage in articles; by genre or by author, but not according to what exactly is pictured; additional categorization will come from the "in-universe" tree, mostly). As you noticed, the whole "added value" business blurs the line between "in-universe" and "real-world"; and modding also deals with "in-universe" entities and interpretations. I have no clear suggestion at this point, but it seems hard, if not futile, to keep branches of "in-universe" from contaminating other trunks. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 04:43, 12 November 2008 (CET)
::::Sorry, don't like "Wiki-world", but what about "Wiki maintenance" or "Wiki support"? And yes, perhaps "Images" <u>should</u> go under that, I am not decided yet, but the idea is not a bad one. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 18:08, 12 November 2008 (CET)
::::More importantly, you are questioning the overall approach to the level 1 cat.s. Leaving "Images" aside for now, we're looking the other four main cat.s. Your point that modding is partly in-universe, and that added value is also tied up in the Oni-verse leads me to this suggestion: rather than making Modding a level 1 cat., how about these cat.s at level 1: '''Oni-verse''', '''Wiki support''', and '''Beyond Oni-verse'''. This last cat. would have as a sub-cat the Modding branch, articles about Oni as a game, as well as Added value, as well as Oni 2's whole namespace. Whatcha think? --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 18:08, 12 November 2008 (CET)
:::::I would rather keep modding in its own category. "Wiki-world", "Modding Oni", "Inside Oni", and "Beyond Oni".  Or something of the sort. [[User:Gumby|Gumby]] 19:51, 12 November 2008 (CET)
::::::Trying something new; since it's just too hard to fit so many topics into just five level 1 cat.s, counting Images, so I made seven :-3 : '''Real World''', '''Inside Oni''', '''Beyond Oni''' (for added value and Oni 2 stuff), '''Oni Support''' (for things like "Installation"), '''Oni Modding''', '''Wiki Support''', and '''Images'''. There's nothing wrong with seven level 1 categories, and I can't find any way to squeeze one more kind of article together without it being unnatural.
:I would have other remarks, e.g., about "Added value" or "AE" vs "Modding projects", but that'd be more or less subjective and polemical. Later. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
::I'm not that confident about where I placed "Added value". And "AE" should probably be under "Current modding projects"; trying it under there for now to see how it looks; note that only pages directly related to your AE work would be there, none of that "all modding belongs to the AE" nonsense. :-3 --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
:::"all modding belongs to the AE" is not nonsense, it's just that Oni is not mod-friendly, so mods will inevitably interfere unless they're part of a single framework. And "my" AE work is nil, so go ahead and delete the whole namespace while you're at it ^_^ - seriously, AE will be a ''gathering'' or it will not be. If you don't like "AE", we can change the namespace to "Mods", but it wouldn't change the fact of the matter: think of it as a standard in organization and quality without which a mod just isn't viable (according to ME, of course, according to ME; I've been wrong before; but, I'll say it again, Oni is fundamentally ''not'' mod-friendly -_-). --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 04:43, 12 November 2008 (CET)
::::I think your last point is pointless, I don't care how hard Oni is to mod; I see a very clear distinction between "your" work (read: the specific package you release that is called the Edition) and any mods that may use that framework. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 18:08, 12 November 2008 (CET)
::::The current evolution of the AE, as it becomes modular, is bearing me out here, as there are simply mods that ''are'' AE, and mods that ''aren't'' AE. This ties in with what you have told me elsewhere, that you want the AE to include only selected mods that can be screened for compatibility with the other AE mods. So if we follow this path, the distinction will always be clear. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 22:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
==Category Tree Proposal==
Summary: The level 1 categories take this overall approach: '''two''' for wiki management ('''Images''', and '''Wiki Support''' for the templates and such), '''two''' for in-universe stuff ('''Inside Oni''' and '''Beyond Oni''', for Oni 1 and Oni 2-ish, respectively), '''one''' for helping people play Oni ('''Oni Support'''), '''one''' for helping people mod Oni ('''Modding Oni'''), and '''one''' for an outside-world approach to Oni ('''Real World'''), which will also catch the random non-Oni-related articles. Trying to narrow the number of cat.s down from here only artificially forces together articles that are unlike each other. The fact that it makes a total of seven categories is purely coincidental, but I think it's a sign that we're doing the right thing. [[User:Iritscen|:-3]]
'''Contents'''
:'''Inside Oni'''
:'''Inside Oni'''
::Characters
::Characters -- any characters with lots of related images should get their own subcategory
::Events
::Events
:::Outro sequence
::Factions
::Factions
:::BGI
:::BGI
:::TCTF
::::SWAT
:::Syndicate
:::Syndicate
::::Comm Troopers
::::Furies
::::Mad Bombers
::::Ninjas
::::Strikers
::::Strikers
:::::Elite
::::Tankers
:::WCG -- includes civilians
:::TCTF
::::Black Ops
:::::SWAT Black Ops
::::Cops
::::Troopers
:::::SWAT Troopers
:::WCG -- includes neutral/un-allied parties
::::Civilians
::::Mercenary Snipers
::::Security Guards
::::Scientists
::::Thugs
::Objects
::Places
::Quotes
::Quotes
::Weapons
::Weapons


:'''Oni Support'''
:'''Media'''
::Game directory map
::Art
::Gameplay tools
:::Art by artist
::Help -- for pages like Troubleshooting and Gameplay
::::Art by Craig Mullins
::Patches and upgrades
::::Art by DarkLitria
 
::::Art by geyser
:'''Beyond Oni'''
::::Art by GTO
::Added value
::::Art by Guido
::Oni 2
::::Art by Jacen Burrows
 
::::Art by Lorraine
:'''Real World''' -- anything outside Oni's universe, such as "Oni" and "Voice actors", plus misc. articles
::::Art by Okita
::::Art by owldreamer
::::Art by Rina
::::Art by Severed
:::Chibi art
:::Concept art
::::Oni 2 concept art
::::Oni concept art
:::Fan art -- fan art goes under here, unless it can be described by the sub-category
::::Second-hand art
:::Fun images
:::Promotional art
::Avatars and signatures
::Character renders
::Dark Horse comics
:::Dark Horse comic issue 0
:::Dark Horse comic issue 1
:::Dark Horse comic issue 2
:::Dark Horse comic issue 3
::Images from other media
::Logos, icons and symbols
::Manual
::Modding images
:::Modding diagrams
:::Modding screenshots
:::OBD hex images
::Music
::Oni 2 (AS) game images
::Oni game images
:::Fly-in portraits
:::Intro sequence
:::Outro sequence
:::Pre-beta screenshots
:::Screenshots
:::Splashscreens
:::Textures
:::Trailer (1998)
:::Trailer (1999)
::Packaging images
::Wallpapers


:'''Oni Modding'''
:'''Oni Modding'''
::Modding ideas
::Modding information
::Modding information
:::Bungie scripting language docs
:::BSL docs
::::BSL functions
::::BSL variables
::::Game scripts
::::Scripting tasks
:::Engine docs
:::Modding tutorials
:::Modding tutorials
::::XML data docs
:::Oni binary data docs
:::Oni binary data docs
::Modding projects
::Modding projects
:::Modding projects by status
:::Anniversary Edition
::::Current modding projects
::::Obsolete AE mods
:::::Anniversary Edition
::::::AE to-do
::::Finished modding projects
::::Outdated modding projects
:::Modding projects by platform
::::Mac-only mods
::::Windows-only mods
::::Bi-platform mods
:::Modding projects by type
::::Animation mods
::::Character mods
::::Comprehensive mods
::::Level mods
::::Scripting mods
::::Texture mods
::::Translation mods
::::Weapon mods
::Modding tools
::Modding tools
:::Modding tools by platform
:::Modding tools by platform
::::Bi-platform modding tools
::::Mac-only modding tools
::::Mac-only modding tools
::::Windows-only modding tools
::::Windows-only modding tools
::::Bi-platform modding tools
:::Modding tools by status
:::Modding tools by status
::::Completed modding tools
::::Completed modding tools
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::::Outdated modding tools
::::Outdated modding tools


:'''Images'''
:'''Oni Support''' -- directly contains pages like Troubleshooting and Gameplay
::Art
::Combat moves
:::Art by artist
::Game directory map
::::Art by Lorraine Reyes
::Gameplay tools
::::Art by Guido
::Patches
::::Art by Craig Mullins
::Walkthroughs
::::Art by Rina
 
:::Chibi art
:'''Real World''' -- truly miscellaneous articles go at this level
:::Concept art
::Community history -- for articles about us!
::::Oni concept art
::Oni 2 influences
::::Oni 2 concept art
:::Duality
:::Dark Horse comics
:::Strident
:::Fan art -- fan art goes under here by default unless it can be described by one of the following two categories
::Oni history -- for articles about Oni as a game, and anything generally connected to Bungie
::::Second-hand art
::Oni influences
::::Project Konoko V
:::Fun images
:::Promotional art
:::Wallpapers
::Avatars and sigs
::Game images -- formerly "In-game art"
:::Oni game images
::::Fly-in portraits
::::Intro sequence
::::Outro sequence
::::Screenshots
::::Splashscreens
:::Non-Oni game images
::Images from other media -- would include the animé screenshots, pictures of the Nausicaä manga, etc.
::Logos, icons and symbols
::Modding screenshots
::OBD hex images -- current name, "OBD data images", is redundant


:'''Wiki Support'''
:'''Wiki Support'''
::Candidates for discussion
::Flagged articles
::Candidates for speedy deletion
:::Articles that need cleanup
::Policies and information
:::Articles that need deletion
:::Articles that need discussion
:::Articles that need finishing
:::Articles that need merging
:::Articles that need updating
::Policies and documentation
::Templates
::Templates
:::Administrative templates -- such as <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>
:::Administrative templates
:::Formatting templates -- anything not a table, header or footer
:::Basic formatting templates
:::General table templates
:::Header and footer templates
:::Header and footer templates
:::Macro templates -- currently "Standard terms"
:::Macro templates
:::Notice templates -- such as <nowiki>{{SeeTalkPage}}</nowiki>
:::Message box templates
:::Table templates
:::Utility templates
::Userspace
 
[[Category:Policies and documentation]]

Revision as of 12:35, 30 July 2020

Summary: The basic categories take this overall approach: two for wiki management (Media, and Wiki Support for the templates and such), two for in-universe stuff (Inside Oni and Beyond Oni, for Oni 1 and Oni 2-ish, respectively), one for helping people play Oni (Oni Support), one for helping people mod Oni (Oni Modding), and one for an outside-world approach to Oni (Real World), which will also catch the random non-Oni-related articles. Trying to narrow the number of cat.s down from here only artificially forces together articles that are unlike each other. The fact that it makes a total of seven categories is purely coincidental, but I think it's a sign that we're doing the right thing. :-3


Contents

Beyond Oni
Added value
Fan-made games
Oni 2
Inside Oni
Characters -- any characters with lots of related images should get their own subcategory
Events
Outro sequence
Factions
BGI
Syndicate
Comm Troopers
Furies
Mad Bombers
Ninjas
Strikers
Tankers
TCTF
Black Ops
SWAT Black Ops
Cops
Troopers
SWAT Troopers
WCG -- includes neutral/un-allied parties
Civilians
Mercenary Snipers
Security Guards
Scientists
Thugs
Objects
Places
Quotes
Weapons
Media
Art
Art by artist
Art by Craig Mullins
Art by DarkLitria
Art by geyser
Art by GTO
Art by Guido
Art by Jacen Burrows
Art by Lorraine
Art by Okita
Art by owldreamer
Art by Rina
Art by Severed
Chibi art
Concept art
Oni 2 concept art
Oni concept art
Fan art -- fan art goes under here, unless it can be described by the sub-category
Second-hand art
Fun images
Promotional art
Avatars and signatures
Character renders
Dark Horse comics
Dark Horse comic issue 0
Dark Horse comic issue 1
Dark Horse comic issue 2
Dark Horse comic issue 3
Images from other media
Logos, icons and symbols
Manual
Modding images
Modding diagrams
Modding screenshots
OBD hex images
Music
Oni 2 (AS) game images
Oni game images
Fly-in portraits
Intro sequence
Outro sequence
Pre-beta screenshots
Screenshots
Splashscreens
Textures
Trailer (1998)
Trailer (1999)
Packaging images
Wallpapers
Oni Modding
Modding ideas
Modding information
BSL docs
BSL functions
BSL variables
Game scripts
Scripting tasks
Engine docs
Modding tutorials
XML data docs
Oni binary data docs
Modding projects
Anniversary Edition
Obsolete AE mods
Modding tools
Modding tools by platform
Bi-platform modding tools
Mac-only modding tools
Windows-only modding tools
Modding tools by status
Completed modding tools
Modding tools under development
Outdated modding tools
Oni Support -- directly contains pages like Troubleshooting and Gameplay
Combat moves
Game directory map
Gameplay tools
Patches
Walkthroughs
Real World -- truly miscellaneous articles go at this level
Community history -- for articles about us!
Oni 2 influences
Duality
Strident
Oni history -- for articles about Oni as a game, and anything generally connected to Bungie
Oni influences
Wiki Support
Flagged articles
Articles that need cleanup
Articles that need deletion
Articles that need discussion
Articles that need finishing
Articles that need merging
Articles that need updating
Policies and documentation
Templates
Administrative templates
Basic formatting templates
General table templates
Header and footer templates
Macro templates
Message box templates
Utility templates
Userspace