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Putin will keep Donbas and the black sea coast under control. | Putin will keep Donbas and the black sea coast under control. | ||
Probably the relationship between Ukraine and Germany will be permanently damaged. | |||
:There is already a suspicion that the Ukraine is not supposed to win. '''The stab-in-the-back myth''' was to be heard from Johannes Hano in ZDF when he quote Ukrainians "What the hell is the West waiting for?" On the quiet Ukrainians start to think that the West, especially Germany, doesn't deliver enough weapons on purpose so Putin can have the Donbas as face-saving minimum goal. In scope of that myth this would go hand in hand with Scholz' and Macron's warning that Putin shall not be humiliated. | :There is already a suspicion that the Ukraine is not supposed to win. '''The stab-in-the-back myth''' was to be heard from Johannes Hano in ZDF when he quote Ukrainians "What the hell is the West waiting for?" On the quiet Ukrainians start to think that the West, especially Germany, doesn't deliver enough weapons on purpose so Putin can have the Donbas as face-saving minimum goal. In scope of that myth this would go hand in hand with Scholz' and Macron's warning that Putin shall not be humiliated. | ||
:Scholz also repeatedly said: "The Ukraine must not lose." He doesn't say "has to win". That is a difference, not nitpicking. (Baerbock actually said "win" but | :Scholz also repeatedly said: "The Ukraine must not lose." He doesn't say "has to win". That is a difference, not nitpicking. (Baerbock actually said "win" but Scholz has the last word, so this doesn't count.) There are intermediate stages between lose and win if "to lose" means a complete takeover or destruction. | ||
:The suspicion is strengthened by the official position of USA and the Baltic states that Russia is meant to be weakened so that it cannot start a new war for a very long time. | :The suspicion is strengthened by the official position of USA and the Baltic states that Russia is meant to be weakened so that it cannot start a new war for a very long time. | ||
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:Should this myth turn out true someday it will reveal another tragic. It would unwillingly and seemingly give the radical pacifists right. "Weapon prolong the war." | :Should this myth turn out true someday it will reveal another tragic. It would unwillingly and seemingly give the radical pacifists right. "Weapon prolong the war." | ||
: The Ukrainians would have sacrificed their blood for us then | : The Ukrainians would have sacrificed their blood for us then to be called hypocrites and cowards. | ||
: "States don't have friends. They have interests." | : "States don't have friends. They have interests." | ||
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:: '''Containment of the myth:''' | :: '''Containment of the myth:''' | ||
:: About a day later also Tagesspiegel made this a topic "[https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/absicht-oder-unvermoegen-deutschland-macht-sich-mit-den-verzoegerten-waffenlieferungen-verdaechtig/28412242.html On purpose or inability]". Diplomats and intelligence are all reading foreign news so this must have bubbled all the way up: Another day later Biden sees himself forced to make a statement aimed to the '''Ukrainian public''', [https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/er-wollte-das-nicht-hoeren-biden-kritisiert-selenskyj-fuer-missachtung-von-warnungen-vor-russischer-invasion/28063400.html it was Zelenskyy who ignored their warnings about an Russian invasion] ["so to some degree it is also your own fault, '''don't simply blame us''' | :: About a day later also Tagesspiegel made this a topic "[https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/absicht-oder-unvermoegen-deutschland-macht-sich-mit-den-verzoegerten-waffenlieferungen-verdaechtig/28412242.html On purpose or inability]". Diplomats and intelligence are all reading foreign news so this must have bubbled all the way up: Another day later Biden sees himself forced to make a statement aimed to the '''Ukrainian public''', [https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/er-wollte-das-nicht-hoeren-biden-kritisiert-selenskyj-fuer-missachtung-von-warnungen-vor-russischer-invasion/28063400.html it was Zelenskyy who ignored their warnings about an Russian invasion] ["so to some degree it is also your own fault, '''don't simply blame us''' if you lose the war"]. Well, meanwhile there have been also different tones but let's forget it. The gist of this should be that in this war everybody made mistakes but most importantly '''the real enemy is and remains Putin'''. | ||
After Putin's suicidal attack on Ukraine Russia will likely become a satellite to China. Russia revived the European part of NATO. Now with a secured back old superpower USA could concentrate more power in the Pacific. China's biggest strategic mistake during the pandemic was to not get mRNA vaccines, for ideological reasons [https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/china-perseveres-with-mrna-covid-shot-development-amid-omicron-commercial-2022-02-28/ they tried stick to their own attempts] and hampered its own growth. Russia and China showed themselves to stand shoulder-to-shoulder in geopolitical questions but given enough push and pull Russia could not just end up as satellite but as pinata, hanging there waiting to get economically slaughtered by a frustrated China to finally win against USA. | After Putin's suicidal attack on Ukraine Russia will likely become a satellite to China. Russia revived the European part of NATO. Now with a secured back old superpower USA could concentrate more power in the Pacific. China's biggest strategic mistake during the pandemic was to not get mRNA vaccines, for ideological reasons [https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/china-perseveres-with-mrna-covid-shot-development-amid-omicron-commercial-2022-02-28/ they tried stick to their own attempts] and hampered its own growth. Russia and China showed themselves to stand shoulder-to-shoulder in geopolitical questions but given enough push and pull Russia could not just end up as satellite but as pinata, hanging there waiting to get economically slaughtered by a frustrated China to finally win against USA. | ||