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| | These are very old notes. You shouldn't read them. |
| ... incoming from GATC idea
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| :: GATC (renewed)
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| :::The renewed GATC is a wordplay on '''G'''uanine, '''A'''denine, '''T'''hymine and '''C'''ytosine; it refers to the genetic code.
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| :::A GATC-'''U'''nit would be '''U'''racil. Mutated versions are Xanthine and Hypoxanthine.
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| :::(In fact: G, A, T, C belongs to the DNA - G, A, C, U is RNA.)
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| :::(<u>At this time I don't know how much this will be used in RS.</u>)
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| my newest hyper-evolution ideas (27.08.2007)(''inspirited'' by [[wikipedia:Nucleobase|Wikipedia's Nucleobase Article]])<br>
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| <u>[ ideas how the DC could work ]</u><br>
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| (A, G, C can transform by mutagens)
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| Adenine becomes Hypoxanthin <font color="#777">(Hypoxanthine is used in the [[wikipedia:Wobble_base_pair|Wobble base pair]] by [[wikipedia:Inosine|Inosine]].</font>
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| Guanine becomes Xanthin
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| Cytosine becomes Uracile<br>
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| So, maybe this is what [[Daodan]]'s regeneration and mutation skill speeds up.<br>
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| On the other hand the two types (DNA and RNA) still exist - there is <u>not</u> the one ultimate <u>remaining</u>.
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| <strike>ACGT gives 4<sup>3</sup> (= 64) combinations, but 20 of them are used only. Would it makes sense that the Daodan use more?
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| [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:NichtGenMenge.png DNA amount, that doesn't encode proteins (picture).] [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genom#Bemerkungen Genome Article)]
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| They are supposed of having a control function of [[wikipedia:Gene_expression|gene expression]].
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| The DC might gives new functions by use the other 44 combination in non-protein code.</strike><br><br>
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| <u>[ ideas what the DC could be ]</u><br>
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| My first thought was that the DC is just an upgrade construction and cannot exist without a host construction, the DNA.
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| Or is it possible that the Daodan-Chrysalis is more like an [[wikipedia:Endosymbiotic_theory|organelle]]?
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| ;"ACGT gives 4<sup>3</sup> (= 64) combinations, but 20 of them are used only."
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| :That's not correct: '''[[wikipedia:Codon#RNA_codon_table|all 64 codons have a meaning]]''', they're just redundant.
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| :As for the non-protein code, it has nothing to do with the 44 "missing" AA.
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| :It's about the ''sequences of amino acids'', not about a ''single'' translation.
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| :So the combinatorics/diversity is not about 4<sup>anything</sup>, but 20<sup>a few thousands</sup>.
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| :It's totally possible that the [[Daodan]] generates completely new proteins.
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:26, 1 October 2007 (CEST)
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| :Yes, my mistake, and thank you for correction.
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| :Despite this [[wikipedia:Codon#Degeneracy_of_the_genetic_code|degeneracy of the genetic code]], codons standing for the same AA are not completely equivalent.
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| :[[wikipedia:Silent_mutation|Recent results suggest that silent mutations can have an effect on subsequent protein structure and activity.]]
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| ::[[User:Paradox-01|Paradox-01]] 13:20, 3 October 2007 (CEST)
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| ;"So, maybe this is what Daodan's regeneration and mutation skill speeds up."
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| :The [[Daodan]] is very much like [[wikipedia:Cancer|cancer]]: aggression, invasion, metastasis...
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| :You don't have to invent anything radically different, just "improve cancer".
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| :Also have a look at what happens to cells when they're infected by a [[wikipedia:Virus|virus]].
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| :In either case, the original cell is affected by very little DNA/RNA changes.
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| :But the appearance and function of the cell are ''dramatically'' repurposed.
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:26, 1 October 2007 (CEST)
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| :Yea, daodan-material enclosed by a virus hull is not bad for the first host-wide infection and (thus developed) "smart cancers" have a great regeneration potential.
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| ::[[User:Paradox-01|Paradox-01]] 13:20, 3 October 2007 (CEST)
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| ;"Or is it possible that the Daodan-Chrysalis is more like a organelle?"
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| :Have a look [http://qntm.org/questions HERE], more specifically at point 3. And then relax.
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 00:12, 2 October 2007 (CEST)
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| :IMO, on one point, science fiction creates big interest when it looks very possible for the future.
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| :But I agree with you again. The story comes first. <u>So, ignore the grey box here as something of my personal interest.</u> =)
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| ::[[User:Paradox-01|Paradox-01]] 13:20, 3 October 2007 (CEST)
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| :Maybe I'd ignore it if it was in your User namespace.
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| :Then again, I guess I'd still point out mistakes etc...
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| :For all I care, the Daodan is anything and everything.
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| :Pretty similar to [[wikipedia:Midi-chlorians|midi-chlorians]], when you think of it.
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| :Human-engineered, host-based midi-chlorians ^_^
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 01:52, 4 October 2007 (CEST)
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| :Maybe the purpose of these posts is to make you organize your stuff a bit.
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| :Really, why not move this "personal interest" of yours to [[Talk:Daodan]]?
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| :Etc. Anything that is not "private" to your story should be modular ^_^
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 01:52, 4 October 2007 (CEST)
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| ====names and memes==== | | ====names and memes==== |
| '''''scratching the surface ...''''' | | '''''scratching the surface ...''''' |
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| '''''treading a new path ...''''' | | '''''treading a new path ...''''' |
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| The nature of the Daodan-Chrysalis has been thought of uncontrollable. But the mutations are not random. They are controlled in sense of what is needed to survive a threat. So the next question is what factors control the mutations and what actually mutates ... Not only genes are affected by evolution.
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| This could ''become'' some talk of Hasegawa. | | This could ''become'' some talk of Hasegawa. |
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| :[...] (Section needs further development in noting "tools", "specialization", "environment", "genetic protocols", "information", "memes", and "symbiosis" to outline the full potential of the Chrysalis.) | | :[...] (Section needs further development in noting "tools", "specialization", "environment", "genetic protocols", "information", "memes", and "symbiosis" to outline the full potential of the Chrysalis.) |
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| ====The eternal discussion====
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| We talked about the risks and that Kerr might be biased. However, the following lines extent the aspect of control, not very much but still enough to be hope. <font color="#777777">'''"Where there is a will there is a way."'''</font>
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| I think this struggle can be ported into the story. Something like this:
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| :Sceptical scientist: "Mind-controlled, okay to a limited point, but still mind is changing during transformation at same time. Kerr ignores psycho-evolutionary consequences."
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| :''Mutation and regeneration ability catch one's eye.''<br>''But there's more.''<br>''The analysis confirms in advance installed but so far inactive upgrades of human genome against frost, heat, and a few other dangers. That ensures very fast adaptations to fatal environmental changes.'' | | :''Mutation and regeneration ability catch one's eye.''<br>''But there's more.''<br>''The analysis confirms in advance installed but so far inactive upgrades of human genome against frost, heat, and a few other dangers. That ensures very fast adaptations to fatal environmental changes.'' |
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| =====First notes about DC project start=====
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| I'm still imprisoned by the thought that these two guys should have not been able to invented the DC in a few years on their own.
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| <!--:Kerr said: ''Your father and I were criminals, funded by the Syndicate. [...]''-->
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| Some devices and the genius of two. Would that have been enough? Maybe I've to rethink the scales.
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| Today we have already interesting instruments and methods like [http://www.ballview.org/Gallery BALLView] and [[wikipedia:Data_mining|data mining]], and the capacity of computing power around 2032 might empower scientists with virtual environments to design and ''test'' organisms in silico.
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| <!--* [[wikipedia:Human_Genome_Project|Human Genome Project]]
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| * [[wikipedia:Mycoplasma_laboratorium|Mycoplasma Laboratorium]]
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| =====Mechanisms===== | | =====Mechanisms===== |
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| ::''By now we assume a "Dual Drive" which means that both physical* and psychical** extremes can cause a mutation.'' | | ::''By now we assume a "Dual Drive" which means that both physical* and psychical** extremes can cause a mutation.'' |
| :: * of genetic | | :: * of genetic |
| :: ** and epigenetic code (environmental stimuli -> emotional reaction<!--seeHippocampus--> -> changing biochemistry -> changing epigenetic code ([[wikipedia:DNA_methylation|DNA methylation]], [[wikipedia:Histone_code|etc.]]) | | :: ** and epigenetic code (environmental stimuli -> emotional reaction<!--see Hippocampus--> -> changing biochemistry -> changing epigenetic code ([[wikipedia:DNA_methylation|DNA methylation]], [[wikipedia:Histone_code|etc.]]) |
| <!--(somehow doubled text) | | <!--(somehow doubled text) |
| :''The mutation mechanism seems to be multicausal which means more analyses.<br>We suspect that the hosts' psyche means a control element which is itself interesting in matter of humans' psychical evolution.''--> | | :''The mutation mechanism seems to be multicausal which means more analyses.<br>We suspect that the hosts' psyche means a control element which is itself interesting in matter of humans' psychical evolution.''--> |
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| :**** http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/1143767 | | :**** http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/1143767 |
| more interesting stuff left?--> | | more interesting stuff left?--> |
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| ====Production and Implantation====
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| Somehow the genomic upgrades must be transferred into the stem cells. Bacteria are bigger than viruses and can take all upgrades. They burst in selected stem cells and release DNA fragments. Now these modified stem cells can be duplicated and injected into the host. In theory they become injected into conjunctive tissue and bone marrow.
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| * More health and strength could give host a higher self-confidence what might violence become an option to ''solve'' problems. | | * More health and strength could give host a higher self-confidence what might violence become an option to ''solve'' problems. |
| * Or the host fears the powerful unknown and denies the full transformation, might rush him into suicide or something less bad by epigenetic effects. | | * Or the host fears the powerful unknown and denies the full transformation, might rush him into suicide or something less bad by epigenetic effects. |
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| ====Symbiosis: prime and secondary symbiont====
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| 15_57_21 Syndicate Scientist: You...you're the other prime symbiote!
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| * first conclusion: there are two beings having a DC
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| * <strike>second conclusion: host is prime symbiote, DC cells are secondary symbiote</strike>
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| * second conclusion: neither Barabas nor Mukade are prime symbiotes
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| * third conclusion: they have tissue from Muro and are now ''secondary'' symbiotes or they haven't a DC at all, or the Scientist doesn't know everything and Mukade is also a prime symbiote ([[Oni2:Truth_Number_Zero|TNZ string]]). -- Fact is "chef" said Mukade has a Chrysalis (modified or not).
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| ==out-dated German stuff== | | ==out-dated German stuff== |
| ===Kybernetik/Biotronik & Cyborgs===
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| Mit Biotronik ist hier die indirekte Verknüpfung von elektrischen Geräten zum Menschen gemeint.<br>
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| Kybernetik ist jedoch die Verschmelzung elektromechanischen Geräten mit lebenden Gewebe.
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| TCTF-Wissenschaftler entwickelten kybernetische Implantate, welche den freien Willen von gefangen genommenen Striker unterbinden sollte und so Doppelagent aus ihnen machen sollten. Doch das Projekt „Marionette“ war von kurzer Dauer. Das Syndikat entdecke die Geräte ... und entwickelte sie weiter. Subdermale Transponder hieß diese neuste Errungenschaft. Aber wie zu erwarten fand die TCTF ein Mittel den Einsatz dieser Technologie sehr zu beschränken - Breitbandstörungen machten die Geräte auf Ferndistanz nutzlos.<br>
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| Im Zuge der Entwicklung von „Tödlichen Gehirnen“ und Immunisierungstechniken begann die TCTF alle möglichen Technologien zu kombinieren um das Marionetten-Projekt wieder aufleben zu lassen. Es sollten Striker umgebaut werden und als Feldeinheiten verwendet werden um „eigenen“ Verlusten vorzubeugen; gleichzeitig wollte man die Technik perfektionieren um an die im Hirn abgespeicherten Informationen zu gelangen.
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| ===Kristalle=== | | ===Kristalle=== |
| Bestimmte Kristalle können aufgrund ihrer Struktur und Stofflichkeit zellfreundlich sein. Ihre weitere Fähigkeit zu wachsen macht sie für die folgenden Gebiete interessant. | | Bestimmte Kristalle können aufgrund ihrer Struktur und Stofflichkeit zellfreundlich sein. Ihre weitere Fähigkeit zu wachsen macht sie für die folgenden Gebiete interessant. |