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[http://oni2.net/irclog.php?chan=oni&showtype=showrange&rangestart=1189348501&rangeend=1189355701&nochange=1#121507 Daodandroids] are an invation from geyser.

[http://oni2.net/irclog.php?chan=oni&showtype=showrange&rangestart=1189961817&rangeend=1189969017&nochange=1#123453 Guido]: Serguei uses this idea as an explanation of Mukade control over the ninjas.

Here's [http://oni2.net/irclog.php?chan=oni&showtype=showrange&rangestart=1188140623&rangeend=1188147823&nochange=1#114292 another page]. Ninja are all left-handed. Geyser rejected this a pure "gamemaking stuff".  

I began to like that Daodan-droids so I ''forked'' that idea to fit into RS.

As more power and exclusive knowledge a group possess as more they rely on trustful members.

After Hasegawa, Kimura and Pensatore created the Ego Hybrida “Mukade” their combined knowledge demanded a new level of trustworthiness. Based on Kimura’s brain engrams they created a bunch of SLDs. A drawback of this solution was their disguise. To prevent detection the group aims to replace more and more artificial part with Daodan biomass. Barabas showed that this mixing is not impossible. Mukade also wants to regain a biological body someday not knowing his donators are still alive...

Maybe his body is ''currently'' in a stage that allows him add a lot of torsos of his Daodan-droids. The many arms might then give him the appearance of a centipede. (If we ever get a new game engine lets create a new boss battle ... lol)

In Pensatore's opinion Mukade accumulates too much power.

Inspired by the Daodan, he has his own plan now, the Omega-Chimera, successor of the SLD, is supposed to form a Biocracy.

In an accident Hasegawa drowns. His body can be retrieved but his mind is beyond repair. (When Mai finds him, she collapses.)

Only Pensatore is able to repair Hasegawa's mind with brain-engramms Mukade using now but he refuses. Hasegawa is now a "frozen guarantee".

: Hasegawa: "In a democracy you need the majority to change a situation. But in the WCG there's no such thing like a majority nor a democracy. We missed to accomplish our chances with normal means.  Now, only a revolution can bring change. If you don't have the guts to pull it off then I will do it. Or rather... If the entire society's intelligence wasn't enough to ensure our survival then I will empower the human body to protect ourselves."

Pensatore: "Usually revolutions turn out to be quite bloody. Many people will die in the chaos. From a scientist I expected a more ethical suggestion."

: "Ethics for its own sake is not an option. Look at history. On the verge of death men [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uruguayan_Air_Force_Flight_571#Cannibalism ate other men]<!--also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannibalism#World_War_II-->, even corpses. For the simple reason: to survive. Also, convinced Christian came to the conclusion that death to a megalomaniac dictators can be justified. -- Ethics are only as good as the situation allows it! Of how much worth are rules and laws which don't let you survive?"

"And you believe we are in such a situation? Certainly, the WCG isn't the optimum but this is a bit too much in my opinion. -- What do you have in mind? Do you want as a geneticist make a biological intervention that takes all of the control humans wrest from mother nature in the last [[wikipedia:Control_of_fire_by_early_humans|125,000 years]]?"

: "What means the fire to men when they burn themselves and learn hardy from the mistakes? -- No, I'm not throwing it away, I just take a part and give it to a new instance of ourselves. The new possibilities will create a society where collision of interests and foul compromises can be avoided."

: "All our cells collect information which they use in cases of emergency to transform themselves. That inner safeguard will have the possibility to compensate injuries caused by wrong decisions the human mind made."

"A biocracy ... on cellular level?"

: "I call it a Daodan Chysalis."

"I must say it again, such radical changes will trigger fear, chaos and death!"

: "We live in permanent evolution and that brings always unknown things. All I do is to speed things up. I bet you could sell it as a genetic upgrade against diseases and then there will be less problems."

"Do you suggest to lie to everybody?"

: "Have you ever told your children that Santa brings the presents? -- Even if we aren't aware of it: [http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2051177,00.html we lie daily]."

"That's something different. If Muro rips off your beard, then he might be disappointed to not see Santa. But if someone finds out what you project is really about then we have again a horror scenario."

: "We don't need to force people to get them a Daodan."

"A parallel society with mutants doesn't make the situation necessarily better."

"You want to put Daodan into this world and also know how people will react. So yes, you would be responsible."

: "Oh, that's makes it really ease for you..."

"Listen, I know that Jamie's death was a tragedy for you and all others who knew her. But do you really think she would have wanted that innocents die by your innovation? -- You should find a way to introduce your project to the world in a slow pace."

: "I don't want to return to a calm mindset where daily life takes over. This just  brought us into this situation. -- I know the Daodan comes with risks. But life without the necessity of taking risks is an illusion."

At this point Mukade can drop in and suggest to use the Daodan as a ''carrot'' to infiltrate the Syndicate, then repairing the ACCs and bringing down the WCG little by little.

In that scenario the Daodan wouldn't change the people but the existing political system.

Side note: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xb5ojdciO1E "When the wild wind blows" by Iron Maiden] (up to time code 10:00) might fit for an AMV-styled video of a custom level featuring Jamie and the Prof. in the city and the wilderness. On a second thought it could be also used for the Sturmänderung event.-->

In order to successfully advertise the Daodan critical points must be rendered baseless. But can that be done or the Daodan really to be feared?

When you can't distinguish between humans and animals you soon have a fantasy setting similar to some MMO. Cooperation will just depend of people's will to accept or reject the different appearance.

You might get traits that ensures better survival but are inconvenient in matter of ascetics. Or you planed to go somewhere and now physically it became impossible.

With cybernetics you wouldn't have such problem. You would be free to add or remove any feature.

It's said that evolution can go only forward eventually leading in dead ends where no more adaption can take place due to the former adaptions.

However, the Daodan's analytic nature might circumnavigate this cliff.

After the Daodan replaced all original cells what happened to the old personality. Was it killed and replaced by a clone's personality?

That's a very philosophic question. It would be very easy to spread fear with that one if not explained in detail.

A person enters the teleporter. Information becomes copied and matter destroyed. The information becomes transfered. Then the person becomes rebuilt. If there's anything like a soul, was it killed? How can we be sure this is the same person?

Now let's imagine we teleport everything but the brain from place A to place B. The mind is still at A, isn't it?  

Next, we teleport one brain cell. The brain will still work as it always did when we somehow manage to [[wikipedia:Quantum_entanglement|entangle]] all cell function at B with rest of the brain at A.

We are looking here at a mind that has physically different residences but it's still only one mind.

If we repeat this for every brain cells, there would be always just one mind at any time, also when 50% is at A and 50% at B.

After we completed this special teleportation we would have no doubt that the person is truly the person that went into the teleporter chamber.

There's speculation on-going on how much cells die every second in the human body. The numbers range from many thousands to few millions.

The important point for us is that the body and hence brain is in constant state of change.

Cells divide and die everyday and we don't ask ourself "are we still the same?"

Apparently we are okay with that. Cells die, some get replaced.

So, for the Daodan we can imagine that our brain cells get replaced one by one whereby normal and upgraded cells are always linked.

The mind remains original at any time. We are just changing to another hardware.

An aggressive person might outlive his strategy and become more aggressive because negative consequences would have a smaller impact on him.

Why is this something bad? The Daodan gives humans an incredible huge advantage against all other lifeforms.

If the Daodan mechanisms are shared with the rest of nature, hyperevolution will take place everywhere making it harder to adapt again.

While viruses might learn some new tricks they should remain less potent than a multi-cellular Daodan.

'''2) compensate slow-paced invention cycles'''<br>

'''3) compensate lack of natural selection'''<br>

'''4) compensate human's behavior of putting himself in dangerous situations'''

'''2) Some events just happen too fast for Bureaucracy and medical standard procedures.'''

Without a drastic improvement there could be never a cure for a new deadly pathogen what can kill within hours.

This is the point that Hasegawa would had in mind when he tried to find a cure for Jamie's disease.

'''3) Many humans aren't longer subject of natural selection which is good in short-term but bad in long-term.'''

In real life the lack of genetic fitness is somewhat compensated by human's mental fitness which is expressed in applied science, namely: medicine.

So, when people stay alive no matter their genetically fitness, natural selection can't take place and diseases continue to remain deadly.

Let's say, if HIV isn't treated at all, wouldn't the whole human race die out?

No. For instance every 10th European is naturally immune against HIV. So if we had a real plague only the immune people would survive and in the future HIV would be a far smaller problem.

An historic example of this kind of immunization is the Spanish Flu from 1918 which was the most catastrophic disease in human history so far. The price, immunity, came at the cost of a gigantic mountain of corpses, more than 50 million dead people if you trust the recent numbers.

With human's current knowledge and possibilities the first outbreak couldn't be prevented but at least it wouldn't kill good portions of the world population.

With HIV we are facing a dilemma: Either we keep everybody alive at the cost of a reduced life time, a weakened immune systems, social restrictions, discrimination, etc. or we let natural selection happen for the population's sake so gaining immunity. Both options are inacceptable for us humans as emotional beings. We seek for a better solutions but for some reasons we failed so far.

'''4) Humans often act unwise.'''

At this point we could simply link to some "fail compilations" on YouTube. (Or if you prefer parodies, ckeck out this German classic "[[wikipedia:Forklift_Driver_Klaus_%E2%80%93_The_First_Day_on_the_Job|Forklift Driver Klaus]]".)

But there's also this more serious category of ''failing big and systematically'' e.g. when a society does it at a whole.

For instance, in many states antibiotics are overused. It's against one's better judgment but our greed for money makes it easy to ignore dangers that occur in a delayed way.

We use antibiotics too often to keep ourselves and the livestock healthy. That puts bacteria under [[wikipedia:Evolutionary pressure|evolutionary pressure]]. There are concerns that more ''[[wikipedia:Super_bug_(bacteria)|super bugs]]'' emerge. These multidrug resistant bacteria can't be easily cured. The media-popular MRSA strain residing in hospitals is such a danger.

Scientists try to come up with methods to reuse old antibiotic or find new ones. However, it can be assumed that the bacteria will also adapt to the new inventions. It's a neverending arms race.

A alternative to antibiotics are bacteriophages, or for short phages. Russia and Georgia officially uses these bacteria-eating viruses in some [[wikipedia:Phage_therapy|therapies]]. Usually viruses adapt even faster than bacteria but so-called [http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v450/n7172/full/nature06350.html mutators] can win a biological arms race against phages.

If we imagine that all antibiotics will become useless, we would have no other chance to make massive use of phages which again causes further adaptions inside the super bugs.