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 ==OniSplit source code==
-The source code can be retrieved by decompiling OniSplit.exe with [https://www.telerik.com/download-trial-file/v2/justdecompile "JustDecompile"]. After dragging and dropping the OniSplit into the decompiler you can already browse the code.
+The source code can be retrieved by decompiling OniSplit.exe with [https://www.telerik.com/products/decompiler.aspx "JustDecompile"]. After dragging and dropping the OniSplit into the decompiler you can already browse the code.
 This should work with any version. This gives us the opportunity to compare them and fix bugs such as the recently discovered [[XML_talk:TRAM#Problem_with_exporting_a_textured_character_with_non-native_TRAC_animation|character dae export bug.]]
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 ==List of (now) unused sections==
 While translating I noticed two misplaced sections. "Where went all the details?" was actually part of "Griffin in a Syndicate helicopter?" but off-topic.
-* [[Talk:Restless_Souls/Reconstruction/Gapfilling#Where went all the details.F3]] (contains Hardy's talk)
+* [[Talk:Restless_Souls/Reconstruction/Gapfilling#Where went all the details.3F]] (contains Hardy's talk)
 * [[Talk:Restless_Souls/Reconstruction/Gapfilling#Jamie]] (random thoughts)
 ::Paradox, you do know about this page, right? -- <nowiki>[[Restless_Souls/Reconstruction/Summary_of_2032]]</nowiki>. It is orphaned, so I just wanted to make sure you didn't forget about it. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 20:13, 28 February 2008 (CET)
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                  | +----> <nowiki>{{:Restless_Souls/Reconstruction/Global_development}}</nowiki>
                  +------> <nowiki>{{:Restless_Souls/Reconstruction/Story_factors}}</nowiki>
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-                                                          +--> '''<nowiki>{{:Restless_Souls/Reconstruction/Summary_of_2032}}</nowiki>'''
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 : Check this out: <nowiki>https://dl.dropbox.com/u/139715/temp/ssg_overviews_wikified.txt</nowiki> (dead link)
 : Now we've to find a good place for it. Any ideas? --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] ([[User talk:Paradox-01|talk]]) 20:08, 11 November 2012 (CET)
-::Ooh, I like! The question of where to put it is a good one, as I would love to find a way to merge that hierarchical information with the acronym expansions given on the [[OBD:File types|File types]] page, and, even better, to also have a small summary of each type ("AKEV (Akira Environment) is ___"). Short of using [[Template:H|hover text]], which I don't think is ideal, I don't have any ideas yet as to how to fit everything into one display. It just seems wasteful to use a whole page just for showing relationships, with no explanation of each type; also, the File types page is now somewhat wasteful of space too, since investigation of the file types is essentially done and we no longer need a page to track its progress with smileys. At least, that's my opinion; what do you think?
+::Ooh, I like! The question of where to put it is a good one, as I would love to find a way to merge that hierarchical information with the acronym expansions given on the [[OBD:File types|File types]] page, and, even better, to also have a small summary of each type ("AKEV (Akira Environment) is ___"). Short of using [[Template:Hover|hover text]], which I don't think is ideal, I don't have any ideas yet as to how to fit everything into one display. It just seems wasteful to use a whole page just for showing relationships, with no explanation of each type; also, the File types page is now somewhat wasteful of space too, since investigation of the file types is essentially done and we no longer need a page to track its progress with smileys. At least, that's my opinion; what do you think?
 ::P.S.: One small tip -- I'm generally against the use of images external to the wiki. I would suggest uploading SSG's arrow pics to the wiki and then invoking them as shown below. The blank link field makes them non-clickable: <pre>[[File:Wiki.png|link=]]</pre> --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 21:02, 11 November 2012 (CET)
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 ::: I think you can reuse the mechanism here you just created. Not sure about IGPG: it appears in TxtC but also in others (DPge, WPge, Opge, ...)
 :: '''2b)''' Facing this problem we might choose an easier path than hiding all tables by default.
-::: If we put all table under each other we could create "AAAA-using types" sections at the end of all tables: If the user clicked IGPG then the browser jumps to that section and there the user reads IGPG being used by this, this and that type. From there he can jump again (by clicking <nowiki>[[#ABCD|ABCD]]</nowiki>) and reaches his final choice (TxtC/DPge/WPge/... table).
+::: If we put all table under each other we could create "AAAA-using types" sections at the end of all tables: If the user clicked IGPG then the browser jumps to that section and there the user reads IGPG being used by this, this and that type. From there he can jump again (by clicking [<nowiki>[#ABCD|ABCD]]</nowiki>) and reaches his final choice (TxtC/DPge/WPge/... table).
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 Just wanted to say, I still feel this is an important thing to add to the wiki. But I made it too complex the first time around. Rather than a dynamically generated table, we should probably stick to something that is set up manually. Although my more complex code was never finished, we do still have the hovertable class available, as used above (and I can easily change it to display info on a click instead of a mouse-hover if that's better). Let me know if you have any new ideas on how to present the info, or if you want to stick with the format we had before.
-The fact is, looking at this with a fresh perspective, I'm not 100% convinced that the arrow-based table is the best use of space or the easiest thing to read, or that we need fancy JS either. What about the simple text-based approach I suggested [[OniGalore:Current_events#Organizing_the_modding_side_of_the_wiki|here]], combined with your anchor-based TOC serving as an alphabetical index at the beginning? --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 00:03, 18 April 2013 (CEST)
+The fact is, looking at this with a fresh perspective, I'm not 100% convinced that the arrow-based table is the best use of space or the easiest thing to read, or that we need fancy JS either. What about the simple text-based approach I suggested [[Special:Permalink/21714#Organizing_the_modding_side_of_the_wiki|here]], combined with your anchor-based TOC serving as an alphabetical index at the beginning? --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 00:03, 18 April 2013 (CEST)
-: About that thing at [[OniGalore:Current_events#Organizing_the_modding_side_of_the_wiki|Current_events]]. Sounds like you want a simple page with sections and links. So if you don't want to hierarchal information then you could take [[XML:File_types]] and extend it. In that case I wouldn't use '''<nowiki>===</nowiki>''' but '''<nowiki>{{Anchor|some_anchor_name}}</nowiki>'''. This prevents the page to be ripped in sections. By that the user can follow links and the page will still look nice. --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] ([[User talk:Paradox-01|talk]]) 12:56, 18 April 2013 (CEST)
+: About that thing at [[Special:Permalink/21714#Organizing_the_modding_side_of_the_wiki|Current_events]]. Sounds like you want a simple page with sections and links. So if you don't want to hierarchal information then you could take [[XML:File_types]] and extend it. In that case I wouldn't use '''<nowiki>===</nowiki>''' but '''<nowiki>{{Anchor|some_anchor_name}}</nowiki>'''. This prevents the page to be ripped in sections. By that the user can follow links and the page will still look nice. --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] ([[User talk:Paradox-01|talk]]) 12:56, 18 April 2013 (CEST)
 ::Basically, yes. I like that "File types" page, I just would like the descriptions to be a bit longer and to list what types they have under them, or what types can contain them, and maybe group them by type. I think I'll make a separate WIP table in my userspace so I don't mess up yours, because I'm not 100% clear on what I want it to look like. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 13:59, 18 April 2013 (CEST)
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 I just want the user to be aware of what types belong to object collections (for instance so he does chose the door collection and not the door class) and that searches can be easily be done by BINA*/BINAOBJC*. --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] ([[User talk:Paradox-01|talk]]) 14:19, 20 April 2013 (CEST)
+[[Category:Userspace]]