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Sorry to bother you.  I want to add some more characters to level 19, but I'm not sure how to write the hex number correctly, since it is 5 digits.
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In the BINACJBOCharacter.oni for level 19 at offset 0x68 currently its 8CDC, I want to add 17 more CHAR data (x2464) so doing the math xDC8C + x2464 = x100F0.
Hi Neo, In the latest oni split 0.9.55, there seems to be a problem with converting ONCC files,
It fails to convert ONCC.xml files made by earlier to oni files .. says something about jump fields, the ONCC xml created by older versions are different from the ones created by this one, different fields <Jump Constants> and <Air Constants> instead of <Physics>, that would be ok we could switch to the new layout. However onisplit v.55 also fails to convert ONCC.xml it created back to oni. .. convert any ONCC.oni to xml, try to convert that xml back to oni, it fails.


What is the correct way to write x100F0 in little endian at offset 0x68?
2- It is also unable to convert a TRAM.oni file made from a dae by older versions back to xml : Operation is not valid due to current state of object. (containing QKEYS) while 0.941 is able to convert them.


Of course, I'll have to make a similar change for 84DC offset xC4.
reported by Samer on July 10 2011


It will be great once/if we're able to export/import BINACJBOCharacter.oni as .xml files!


Many thanks.


[[User:EdT|EdT]] 06:54, 20 June 2008 (CEST)
Hi Neo, a bug has been ecountered by me in OniSplit's xml export. The bug applies on versions 0.9.50.0 and 0.9.52.0. If exported TRAM file has direct animation links, only the second direct link is written into XML file. The first direct link is ignored (is always an empty element).


I'm not sure what's supposed to be at 0x68, maybe you mean 0x88 (where the size of the raw/sep part is)?
This is an excerpt from KONCOMcomb_p_p XML file as created by OniSplit 0.9.52.0:
        <DirectAnimations>
            <Link />
            <Link>TRAMKONCOMcomb_p_p_k</Link>
        </DirectAnimations>


Anyway 0xA1B1C1D1 is stored as:
It should be:
:*A1 B1 C1 D1 - big endian (bytes are stored in the same order)
        <DirectAnimations>
:*D1 C1 B1 A1 - little endian (bytes are stored in reverse order)
            <Link>TRAMKONCOMcomb_p_p_p</Link>
            <Link>TRAMKONCOMcomb_p_p_k</Link>
        </DirectAnimations>


So 0x100F0 aka 0x000100F0 stored as little endian is F0 00 01 00.
Binary (*.oni) files contain both direct links. Exported XML files don't. Since usually only the first direct link is used, this bug poses quite a nuisance. Thank you in advance.


PS: I'm almost done with [[OBJC]] export. Hopefully I'll do the import soon too.
: It might be that the binary (oni/exe) are corrupted. My version of TRAMKONCOMcomb_p_p.oni was correctly extracted with onisplit 52. --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] 19:00, 8 July 2011 (CEST)
 
While I'm here I will take the chance to also ask something. I'm trying to create a combo. The animations work fine with animation type Kick, Kick2, Kick3 but not with KickRight, KrKr*, KrKrKr**. Could it be that those* animation types are dead? I hope you will find out what's wrong. --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] 19:00, 8 July 2011 (CEST)
 
: Loser: The problem more than likely was the fact that the TRAMKONCOMcomb_p_p_p.oni was not in the same directory as  TRAMKONCOMcomb_p_p.  To test, I removed TRAMKONCOMcomb_p_p_p.oni and got the same result as you did, added it back and got the correct output.  OniSplit wants all the files to be in the same directory.  [[User:EdT|EdT]] 23:36, 8 July 2011 (CEST)
 
 
 
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Neo, do you think we can have something like a -nodeps argument added to OniSplit? We could use a way to prevent the program from automatically following all dependencies when exporting files like ONCCs to XML. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 14:26, 6 July 2011 (CEST)
:Oops, never mind, it sounds like this is already OniSplit's default behavior.... --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 16:24, 6 July 2011 (CEST)
 
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Pathfinding issue fixed, though it seems to be still slightly off:
 
[[Image:junkyard_PFG.jpg]]
 
There is still the issue of falling through the ground.
 
level files are here: http://edt.oni2.net/testlevel/junkyard.zip
 
[[User:EdT|EdT]] 03:14, 18 June 2011 (CEST)
 
 
 
Hi Neo,
 
I was able to create the pathfinding grids, however, they are offset from the geometry. Also, there is a spot where you will fall through the ground.
 
[[Image:junkyard.png]]
 
The bnv itself is correct:
 
[[Image:junkyard_bnv.png]]
 
Here are my files: http://edt.oni2.net/testlevel/TestLevel.zip
 
EDIT: Tested OniSplit with the arena level data: <nowiki>http://mods.oni2.net/system/files/80200ArenaofHurt.zip</nowiki>
Extracted the AKEV, then used create:akev to import the level.  The pathfinding grids were offset from the geometry and there were areas where the player will fall through the floor.
 
[[User:EdT|EdT]] 01:03, 17 June 2011 (CEST)
 
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Hi Neo,
I have tried Your ".dae" to ".xml" animation importer. I keep getting message ".dae files cannot be imported as TRAM". Can you tell me please where is the problem? Thank you. --[[User:Loser|Loser]] 13:00, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
 
Hello, to import an animation you need an xml file and a dae file. If you try to export a TRAM to xml you get both files and when importing you need to provide the xml file, not the dae file. The dae file is referenced from inside the xml file (see the DaeImport element) [[User:Neo|Neo]]
 
 
New OniSplit version: OniSplit v0.9.52 (<nowiki>https://cid-639aa31296681bfe.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Oni/OniSplit/OniSplit%5E_v0.9.52.zip</nowiki>, dead link)
 
What's new:
:* When a TRBS file is exported to xml the geometry is exported to separate .dae files, one .dae file for each LOD
:* New -anim-body option. This allows a particular body (ONCC or TRBS) to be specified when exporting animations:
 
  onisplit -extract:xml out -anim-body:ONCCbarabus.oni TRAMsomething.oni
 
:* New -recurse option for the xml exporter. Have fun :)
 
  onisplit -extract:xml out -recurse ONCCbarabus.oni
 
:* Changed light color in the environment importer to white (it used to be blueish)
:* New -env-notxmp option. This prevents the automatic creation of TXMP files while importing the environment.
:* Made -normals work when importing TRBS from xml + dae files.
 
New OniSplit version: OniSplit v0.9.41
 
What's new:
 
:* fixed the Collada importer to work with 3DSMax exported files
 
New OniSplit version: OniSplit v0.9.40
 
What's new:
 
:* support for exporting/importing [[OBD:BINA/SABD|sound animations]] to/from xml files
:* better Collada export for environment
:* support for full color transparent textures (-format:bgra32 on the command line, ARGB8888 format in an xml file)
:* different (hopefully better) xml export format for animations (this one is actually from 0.9.38 but since that wasn't mentioned here...)
:* a more or less complete animation importer. This one deservers some notes:
::-unlike other importers that produce .oni files this one produces and .xml file (similar to the one you get when exporting a TRAM)
::when you do
  onisplit -create:tram target_dir animation.dae
::in the target dir you'll get a TRAManimation.xml file.
::You need to add some stuff to that file to make it actually work as an animation. In particular the animation type, from/to states and varient needs to be set.
::-For all I know this works with animations exported from Oni and modified in Softimage. If you come up with a completly new animation it should work as long as the skeleton is similar to the one used in Oni.
::-Note that the geometry that is present inside the Collada file is used to compute the "vertical extents" so it better be the same or close to the one the animation is intended for.
::-The biggest problem are the attacks. While it's not difficult to add attacks to the xml file, computing the necessary "extents" is not going to be easy. I guess in the end I'll have to add some command to OniSplit to do it.
::-Everything else that I forgot :)


[[User:Neo|Neo]]
[[User:Neo|Neo]]


I am sorry to bother, but this can help to make h2w system look better. When character collides with wall, what REALLY collide ??? For me it seems that for char->wall collision there is some invisible bounding box. Where is this bounding box, if you know (or correct me if I am wrong). How can I change it? I ask because for me (it is my guess in next sentence, nothing proven ) it seems that this "bounding box" looks like invisible sphere which is around pelvis bone. That is why you can fall and stick your torso/head/legs into next room. Engine ignores bones in char->wall coll. Is this correct? + please answer if you know how to change it. Thanks a lot in any case
New OniSplit version: OniSplit v0.9.37


P.S.:Just a curious question, no explanation needed: I know that AI2 powered characters can push away weapons which are on ground. Can it be (from engine-possibilities point of view) that in ONI we should have movable furniture (objects which can be pushed by chars)?
What's new:


--[[User:Loser|Loser]] 11:34, 20 June 2008 (CEST)
:* support for transparency in the environment importer


Umm... many questions, time for a brain dump :)


;Character - Wall collision
New OniSplit version: OniSplit v0.9.35


:this is always sphere tree-quad collision. You probably know that the sphere tree can be seen with "chr_debug_sphere=1". One thing to note about that sphere tree is that it always "stays up" (even when the character is fallen). That's why fallen characters pass through walls, their body gets outside the sphere when that happens.
What's new:


:As for changing the radius of that sphere tree: it may be possible but it won't solve anything.
:* conversion of recorded films (.dat binary files) to xml files that can be used to create FILM .oni files


;Character - Floor collision
    OniSplit film2xml out_dir film.dat


:characters also have a special function to detect floor collision which checks if a 3x3 quad intersects the floor. This is done to avoid "strange" sinking when the sphere's lowest point goes outside the floor. This is the probable cause why sometimes fallen characters hang on an edge (their 3x3 quad still intersects the floor) or fall of the edge even if their feet or head are still on the floor (the 3x3 quad is too small to cover the feet and head when the character is fallen).
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Neo


;Particle - Wall collision
I get this error message using the command create:tram


:this is always point-quad collision (the point is the position of the particle)
  System.NotSupportedException: Invalid rotation axis {X:0 Y:0 Z:-1} for rotate transform in animation pelvis-node-ry
  at Oni.Totoro.AnimationDaeReader.FindRotations () [0x00000]
  at Oni.Totoro.AnimationDaeReader.Import (System.String filePath, System.String outputDirPath) [0x00000]
  at Oni.Program.CreateGeneric (System.String[] args) [0x00000]
  at Oni.Program.Main (System.String[] args) [0x00000]  (1)


;Particle - Object collision (where object is anything with a physics context that supports collision: characters, [[OBOA]] objects, powerups, weapons)
The dae files are here: <nowiki>http://www.filefront.com/14507129/dae.rar</nowiki> (dead link)


:this can be sphere-obbox or sphere-sphere collision depending on what the object has (obbox or sphere tree). The radius of the particle sphere is taken from Collision Radius property of the particle class. It can be 0 and then the collision degenerates to point-obbox/point-sphere collision.
xml animation file here: <nowiki>http://www.filefront.com/14507115/ID%20walking.xaf</nowiki> (dead link)


;Environment collision (general)
Thanks [[User:EdT|EdT]]


:The engine can only do point-quad and spheretree-quad collision detection.  
Yep, caused by Z-up. I'll see what I can do.


;Object collision (general)
[[User:Neo|Neo]]


:All objects (that have a physics context) have a sphere tree attached to them and some objects created through OBOA also have an obbox.
Hi Neo,


;Moveable furniture
When you have time, can you take a look at this:


:Yes and no. It can be done to some extent using [[OBOA]].
[[Image:TRBSproblem.jpg]]


:Basically an OBOA object can be pushed if it's not animated (no OBAN link) and it has "physics type" 2 or 4 (I don't know what's the difference).
When I use the latest FBX Converter 2010.2 to convert FBX to DAE, I get this problem.  However, when I use an older version, it works fine.  Here are the DAEs from both version: http://edt.oni2.net/temp/TRBSproblem.zip G2 is uses the new version, G1 uses the old.


:What doesn't work:
Thanks [[User:EdT|EdT]]
:*characters fall through objects (the character-floor collision function does not see objects)
 
:*since the environment only supports sphere-quad collision you tipically cannot push an object very close to the wall (unless of course the object itself is a sphere or close enough to one)
Oh boy, the new converter uses matrix transforms instead of individual scale/rotate/translate transforms. I'll see what I can do...
:*objects can fall but because of sphere-quad collision detection they'll get stuck somewhere above the floor
:*an object can fall on another object but a third object will fall through both of them; in general multiple object interaction is buggy
:*if I remember correctly there is 128 physics context limit. That means the number of active characters + objects + powerups and whatever else needs a physics context is limited to 128. Anyway it will very likely crawl before you reach that limit.


[[User:Neo|Neo]]
[[User:Neo|Neo]]


Thank you, now I understand, I need to add leading zeros to the result.
Also, a user at OCF asked if it was possible to do division and multiplication in BSL, is it possible?


I look forward to trying out the OBJC export.
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The Iron Demon walks! Sorta...
 
You can see the video here: http://edt.oni2.net/ID/IDwalk.wmv
 
I converted the files from Bobbysoon (TRAMID_run1stepb.DAE, TRAMID_runstart.DAE, TRAMID_runstop.DAE) to xml.  The XML gave the pelvis height as <Height>-2175.5</Height>, so I removed the negative and divided the height by 100.  But as you can see, the model floats above the ground.  Also, the velocity has some large numbers in the first part <Velocity>-4.076141 0</Velocity> I think that is the cause of the ID moving sideways not forward.
 
Files here: http://edt.oni2.net/ID/ID_Files.zip


[[User:EdT|EdT]]
[[User:EdT|EdT]]


[http://cid-639aa31296681bfe.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Oni/OniSplit/OniSplit|_v0.9.18|_beta4.zip Beta4]
:Ha ha, that's going in my album of weird modding results. Anyway, I didn't even realize that animations were supposed to work yet, I thought we were waiting for an update to OniSplit. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 14:33, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
 
 
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Hi Neo,
 
Having problems converting DAEs to trams.  I put all the files in a zip and included a ReadMe with the description of the errors. <nowiki>http://edt.oni2.net/temp/NeoTRAM.zip</nowiki>
 
I was trying to make new animations, whenever you have time, please take a look.  Thanks [[User:EdT|EdT]]
 
 
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Hmm... I just discovered that I can't export TXMPs from a .dat file to the PNG format. I am attempting to use the -extract:png command on a virgin .dat file. The -extract:tga options works fine, but the -extract:png option gives:
System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for System.Drawing.GDIPlus --->  System.DllNotFoundException: gdiplus.dll
  at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Drawing.GDIPlus:GdiplusStartup (ulong&,System.Drawing.GdiplusStartupInput&,System.Drawing.GdiplusStartupOutput&)
  at System.Drawing.GDIPlus..cctor () [0x00000]
  --- End of inner exception stack trace ---
  at System.Drawing.Bitmap..ctor (Int32 width, Int32 height, PixelFormat format) [0x00000]
  at (wrapper remoting-invoke-with-check) System.Drawing.Bitmap:.ctor (int,int,System.Drawing.Imaging.PixelFormat)
  at Oni.Imaging.SysExporter.ExportInstance (Oni.InstanceDescriptor descriptor) [0x00000]
  at Oni.Exporter.ExportInstanceList (System.Collections.Generic.List`1 descriptors) [0x00000]
  at Oni.Exporter.Export (Oni.InstanceFileManager fileManager, System.String sourceFilePath, System.String filter) [0x00000]
  at Oni.Program.ExtractTextures (System.String[] args) [0x00000]
  at Oni.Program.Main (System.String[] args) [0x00000]
This occurred in both 0.9.38 and 0.9.41 on my Mac. I used to always extract TXMPs as TGA, so I don't know when this actually worked for me. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 17:54, 2 January 2010 (UTC)
 
:TGA always works because it's all done in OniSplit. For PNG/JPG I'm using the framework (.NET/Mono) and Mono seems to have a problem. [[User:Neo|Neo]]
 
:I just tested it myself and I was able to extract all the textures from a virgin .dat file as PNG.  I'm using the latest version 0.9.45 and the latest Mono framework.  OSX 10.5.8 and 10.6.2 [[User:EdT|EdT]]
 
::Okay, after many aborted attempts at updating mono (I was running 2.0.1) by building from source or using their binary installer, I realized that the installer was putting the files in some meaningless directory, and I ended up copying them to the right system directories, hoping I didn't overwrite libraries that were supposed to stay unchanged. Who knows what the consequences will be down the road for other stuff, but OniSplit now exports PNGs properly for me! --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 20:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
 
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Observations of importing TRAMs to XSI.
 
Sometimes, imported TRAMs will have odd rotations mainly related to the pelvis and thighs.  Here is one example, the Striker's walking TRAM:
http://edt.oni2.net/TRAMS/WalkOS.wmv  As you can see the pelvis and thighs are rotating in an odd fashion.  This is due to euler vs quaternion rotations.  To see it correctly in XSI, you can use the option to "Convert Euler Rotation to Quaternion" on the pelvis and thighs, then the animation appears correct: http://edt.oni2.net/TRAMS/WalkQT.wmv  However, when importing a converted animation back to Oni, you get this result: http://edt.oni2.net/TRAMS/WalkOni.wmv
 
When a TRAM is imported to XSI, to "unwrap" a model from the default animation state, the right thigh is rotated 180 on the X axis and -180 on the Z axis, the left is rotated -180 on the X and -180 on the Z axis. Somehow, from this starting point, whenever XSI moves the thigh from a negative to a positive angle (or in the case of this example from positive to negative), the part would rotate the long way around as shown here: http://edt.oni2.net/TRAMS/ThighXZaxis.wmv
 
One workaround is to insert keyframes to cause the animation to rotate in the correct direction.
 
I found another approach that seems to work, if you are making an animation from scratch. That is to rotate the thighs down 180 on the Y axis.  So far in my testing, there are no odd rotations: http://edt.oni2.net/TRAMS/ThighYaxis.wmv
 
The Striker DAE files and the XSI scene files are here: http://edt.oni2.net/TRAMS/TRAMfiles.zip
 
[[User:EdT|EdT]]


Oh boy, were Mono developers lazy or not... :)
I'm still unsure how the XZ animation was produced. There's a keyframe (for the Z rotation of left_thigh) that causes this. It's value is 135 while all the other keyframes for Z are well below 0 (-150..-180). If you move that keyframe to something like -215 then the animation works fine. Or so it appears to me...


[[User:Neo|Neo]]
[[User:Neo|Neo]]


Thank you! BINACJBOCharacter.oni works fine, now to take a look at the melee profile file...
:That's true about changing the keyframe to -215, however, for all the TRAMs exported from Oni, the number for the rotations are always less than 180 or -180. When the thigh is positioned in front of the body, the rotation on the Z axis is negative, between the range of -0.x to -179.x and when it is positioned behind the body, the rotation number is positive, between the range of 0.x to 179.x. So my XZ animation was reflecting that aspect. [[User:EdT|EdT]]


Ed
::Ah, I didn't think about that. I don't think it matters if those angles are between -180..180 or not, I haven't seen any problems while trying to import the animation with -215. [[User:Neo|Neo]]


The melee profile is much more understandable. The moves are clearly identified. So  I assume, now we will be able to create a new melee profile or at the very least add new techniques to an existing profile.
:::Then my question is, would it be possible to program OniSplit one day, so that it can produce a TRAM DAE that will import into XSI without any of those odd rotations of the pelvis and thighs? Or for OniSplit to import a TRAM DAE that was converted from Euler to Quaternion rotation?  It will be much easier to modify existing TRAMs without having to deal with those odd rotations. Thanks [[User:EdT|EdT]]


Again, THANK YOU on your awesome work on OniSplit.
::::TRAM DAE: yes, I think so. I have an idea though I've yet to test it. Euler to Quaternion: I don't know why that doesn't work, I'll check. In theory there should be no problem. [[User:Neo|Neo]]
::::Found another solution (in XSI): use "Make rotation keys continuous" (in the same menu as Euler to Quaternion). [[User:Neo|Neo]]
:::::I tested the it, however, TRAMs converted that way do not appear correctly in Oni: http://edt.oni2.net/TRAMS/WalkRot.wmv files:http://edt.oni2.net/TRAMS/TRAMfiles2.zip  [[User:EdT|EdT]]
:::::Not to say that this is the only problem but... you're .dae files for left and right are identical :) [[User:Neo|Neo]]
::::::"The Make rotation keys continuous"is working great, no problems.  Except for the stupid user error with the Striker's walk... lol [[User:EdT|EdT]]
::::::: Googled a possible solution and fitted it to one method. I have already checked it for some quaternions, which should result in euler angles, which contains values greater than 180 degrees, and it works fine. Here it is:
    public static Vector3 FromQ2(Quaternion q1)
    {
        float sqw = q1.w * q1.w;
        float sqx = q1.x * q1.x;
        float sqy = q1.y * q1.y;
        float sqz = q1.z * q1.z;
        float unit = sqx + sqy + sqz + sqw; // if normalised is one, otherwise is correction factor
        float test = q1.x * q1.w - q1.y * q1.z;
        Vector3 v;
        Func<float, float> NormalizeAngle = new Func<float, float>(angle =>
        {
            while (angle > 360)
                angle -= 360;
            while (angle < 0)
                angle += 360;
            return angle;
        });
        Func<Vector3,Vector3> NormalizeAngles = new Func<Vector3,Vector3>(angles =>
        {
            angles.x = NormalizeAngle(angles.x);
            angles.y = NormalizeAngle(angles.y);
            angles.z = NormalizeAngle(angles.z);
            return angles;
        } );
        if (test > 0.4995f * unit)
        { // singularity at north pole
            v.y = 2f * Mathf.Atan2(q1.y, q1.x);
            v.x = Mathf.PI / 2;
            v.z = 0;
            return NormalizeAngles(v * Mathf.Rad2Deg);
        }
        if (test < -0.4995f * unit)
        { // singularity at south pole
            v.y = -2f * Mathf.Atan2(q1.y, q1.x);
            v.x = -Mathf.PI / 2;
            v.z = 0;
            return NormalizeAngles(v * Mathf.Rad2Deg);
        }
        Quaternion q = new Quaternion(q1.w, q1.z, q1.x, q1.y);
        v.y = (float)Math.Atan2(2f * q.x * q.w + 2f * q.y * q.z, 1 - 2f * (q.z * q.z + q.w * q.w));    // Yaw
        v.x = (float)Math.Asin(2f * (q.x * q.z - q.w * q.y));                            // Pitch
        v.z = (float)Math.Atan2(2f * q.x * q.y + 2f * q.z * q.w, 1 - 2f * (q.y * q.y + q.z * q.z));      // Roll
        return NormalizeAngles(v * Mathf.Rad2Deg);
    }
p.s. sorry, not found any code tags or something like that.
p.s.s. Mathf.Rad2Deg must be 57.2958f. other Mathf stuff is similar to Math
p.s.s.s anyway, looks like the root of evil is not in quaternion -> euler conversion. i will try to investigate that.
[[User:TwinkerTinker|6opoDuJIo]]


[[User:EdT|EdT]] 06:17, 22 June 2008 (CEST)
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2 notes about melee:
Hi Neo,


:*I've yet to make move types to show up as names instead of numbers. Remebering all those is not fun.
I have thought of adding a point to your todo list if you don't mind. Since the throw target is sort of reversed played in Oni (body rotated by 180 degrees, reversed movement, if I remember correctly), it would come handy if Onisplit can reverse it. Doing it in XSI would be a load of unnecessary work each time. Onisplit could easily recognize this special animation in the XML tags (<Flag>... ThrowTarget ...</Flag>). --[[User:Paradox-01|Paradox-01]] 15:21, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
:*The original melee files contain what appears to be orphaned moves. Since currently moves are exported as children of techniques the orphaned moves are not exported. I don't think those moves are used by the engine but if someone knows otherwise I'll see what can be done to export them too.


Other stuff:
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Here's a mystery [which has been solved, see edits below this one]: what is wrong with Oni's sound occlusion with 44Khz sounds in Windows (and possibly all occlusion on Macs)? Here are two alternate versions of a package: <nowiki>http://iritscen.oni2.net/temp/06000MissingSoundsNoOcc.zip</nowiki> (dead link) and <nowiki>http://iritscen.oni2.net/temp/06000MissingSoundsOcc.zip</nowiki> (dead link). This package simply adds a sound to the gears at the end of Science Prison. There are probably any number of ways to test for this issue, but this is how I noticed the problem, so I can vouch for its reproducibility.
# Install the Occ version of the package. This uses 22Khz sound.
# Load Science Prison SP1 so there's no music or enemies around, and do "chr_location 0 676.3 64.7 -1898.3". You're now on top of the gears.
# Run into one of the nearby rooms with windows. The sound comes from the point you teleported to, so position yourself so the "ray" from the sound can reach you through a window. If you are standing with part of the room's wall in the way, the sound may cut out completely, which you don't want.
# Listen to the sound. Isn't it soothing? Now shoot the glass out (the M. Bow is a nice choice, it's quiet so you can hear the gears more clearly). The sound should get louder. You can hear this in my movie <nowiki>http://iritscen.oni2.net/temp/GearsTestWindows.mp4</nowiki> (dead link) (though the gears sound was distorted at the time because I didn't set the .grp properly, that's besides the point in this case).
# Now replace the Occ package with the NoOcc package and install it. This one uses 44Khz sound.
# Performing the same test, you should hear the gears at the same volume through glass as without the glass in the way. You can hear this issue in my movie <nowiki>http://iritscen.oni2.net/temp/GearsTestMac.mp4</nowiki> (dead link). Obviously in the Mac test I was using 22Khz sound, and yet I experienced the same issue. I suspect something was changed in the occlusion code between the Windows and Mac releases, perhaps in tandem with the removal of 44Khz sound support, that glommed the Windows 44Khz bug onto the Mac 22Khz sound code.


:*The general xml export was updated to export names instead of number for several enum and flags fields. For example the class of a dialog item in [[WMDD]] was previously exported as a number but now it's a string like Button, Edit etc. Flags fields are exported as a list of names (names separated by whitespace) like in this WMDD state field:
Now, is it definitely a problem with Oni? I guess it is if we're sure that the sounds and .grp I provided are formatted and imported correctly. Or perhaps I'm totally mixed up here and don't know what I'm talking about. I've never done sound work before in Oni. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 15:36, 25 April 2013 (CEST)
 
  <State>Visible Disabled</State>


This simplifies editing but currently there is now way to discover what names are available (unless you take a look at the source code :)). I'll try to make OniSplit display such a list as part of the help or something.
: Iritscen: Try your test again with the command sound_show_debug=1 you will see a list of sounds and the sound level for each one.  When you are in front of the gears the level is 1 for gears, gears.aif . Then move into one of the rooms behind the glass, the sound level will drop to around .6 or .7 depending on how far away you are.  Shoot out the glass and then the sound level will return to 1.[[User:EdT|EdT]] ([[User talk:EdT|talk]]) 17:02, 25 April 2013 (CEST)


[[User:Neo|Neo]]
::D'oh. I was wondering if I should have put this on Paradox's page but I felt that it was probably an Oni bug and I shouldn't distract 'dox anymore. I guess you would have had a simple solution to the problem no matter where I put it, EdT. So here's what happened: the NoOcc package has a custom .grp so that I can specify "2" channels, AKA 44Khz sound, since Oni's .grp expects 22Khz. What I had forgotten that I also tried to turn up the volume of the gears noise by setting the .grp's Volume to 2 instead of 1. Because a sound's maximum actual volume in Oni is 1, what happens with a >1 volume setting is that a sound will reach 100% volume from farther away than if the sound was set to a volume of 1. Because I was standing within the >1 apparent volume range of the NoOcc package's louder gears, I couldn't hear any difference in sound volume when a window got in the way. That's because the volume was still greater than 1 even though the sound was in fact being occluded from say, 1.9 to 1.4.
::Well, I learned something about sound today! Sorry for cluttering your talk page unnecessarily, Neo (I know you won't be seeing this until the weekend anyway). The funny thing is that I just got done telling someone on the forum about sound_show_debug, but I had no idea that the numbers in the left column were apparent volume so I didn't think of using the debug display on my package. Well, thanks EdT, at least I know everything is working properly. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 18:06, 25 April 2013 (CEST)
 
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Hi Neo,
 
I've tried a couple of OniSplit commands but I couldn't get some to work with latest public version (0.9.94.0). The commands are the follow:
 
'''Conversion of ONWC > OBJ and DAE:'''
 
  -extract:obj outputdir input_ONWC.oni
 
  -extract:dae outputdir input_ONWC.oni
 
both execute with sucess but don't generate output.
 
'''Conversion of OBJ > M3GM:'''
 
  -create:m3gm outputdir input.obj
 
I get the exception:
  System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: O ¡ndice estava fora do intervalo. Tem de ser nÆo negativo e inferior ao tamanho da colec?Æo.
  Nome do par?metro: index
  em System.ThrowHelper.ThrowArgumentOutOfRangeException()
  em Oni.Dae.IO.ObjReader.ReadVertices(String[] tokens)
  em Oni.Dae.IO.ObjReader.ReadFace(String[] tokens)
  em Oni.Dae.IO.ObjReader.ReadObjFile(String filePath)
  em Oni.Dae.IO.ObjReader.ReadFile(String filePath)
  em Oni.Motoko.GeometryImporter.Import(String filePath, String outputDirPath)
  em Oni.Program.ExecuteTasks(String[] args, String outputDirPath, Set`1 importedFiles, Queue`1 taskQueue)
  em Oni.Program.CreateGeneric(String[] args)
  em Oni.Program.Main(String[] args)
 
Could these be fixed? Thanks. [[User:Script 10k|Script 10k]] ([[User talk:Script 10k|talk]]) 22:07, 3 January 2014 (CET)
 
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Hi Neo, do you still stop by the wiki? Not sure if you will see this. I sent you an email at what I'm pretty sure is your Yahoo! address, but I don't know if you still check that email, and it doesn't seem that you use Yahoo! Messenger anymore. I'm trying to get back in touch with you to ask you some questions about OniSplit, etc. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 00:02, 27 September 2016 (CEST)


Hey Neo, do you have any idea what the flag "Boss" does?
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Hi Neo, In the latest oni split 0.9.55, there seems to be a problem with converting ONCC files, It fails to convert ONCC.xml files made by earlier to oni files .. says something about jump fields, the ONCC xml created by older versions are different from the ones created by this one, different fields <Jump Constants> and <Air Constants> instead of <Physics>, that would be ok we could switch to the new layout. However onisplit v.55 also fails to convert ONCC.xml it created back to oni. .. convert any ONCC.oni to xml, try to convert that xml back to oni, it fails.

2- It is also unable to convert a TRAM.oni file made from a dae by older versions back to xml : Operation is not valid due to current state of object. (containing QKEYS) while 0.941 is able to convert them.

reported by Samer on July 10 2011


Hi Neo, a bug has been ecountered by me in OniSplit's xml export. The bug applies on versions 0.9.50.0 and 0.9.52.0. If exported TRAM file has direct animation links, only the second direct link is written into XML file. The first direct link is ignored (is always an empty element).

This is an excerpt from KONCOMcomb_p_p XML file as created by OniSplit 0.9.52.0:

       <DirectAnimations>
           <Link />
           <Link>TRAMKONCOMcomb_p_p_k</Link>
       </DirectAnimations>

It should be:

       <DirectAnimations>
           <Link>TRAMKONCOMcomb_p_p_p</Link>
           <Link>TRAMKONCOMcomb_p_p_k</Link>
       </DirectAnimations>

Binary (*.oni) files contain both direct links. Exported XML files don't. Since usually only the first direct link is used, this bug poses quite a nuisance. Thank you in advance.

It might be that the binary (oni/exe) are corrupted. My version of TRAMKONCOMcomb_p_p.oni was correctly extracted with onisplit 52. --paradox-01 19:00, 8 July 2011 (CEST)

While I'm here I will take the chance to also ask something. I'm trying to create a combo. The animations work fine with animation type Kick, Kick2, Kick3 but not with KickRight, KrKr*, KrKrKr**. Could it be that those* animation types are dead? I hope you will find out what's wrong. --paradox-01 19:00, 8 July 2011 (CEST)

Loser: The problem more than likely was the fact that the TRAMKONCOMcomb_p_p_p.oni was not in the same directory as TRAMKONCOMcomb_p_p. To test, I removed TRAMKONCOMcomb_p_p_p.oni and got the same result as you did, added it back and got the correct output. OniSplit wants all the files to be in the same directory. EdT 23:36, 8 July 2011 (CEST)




Neo, do you think we can have something like a -nodeps argument added to OniSplit? We could use a way to prevent the program from automatically following all dependencies when exporting files like ONCCs to XML. --Iritscen 14:26, 6 July 2011 (CEST)

Oops, never mind, it sounds like this is already OniSplit's default behavior.... --Iritscen 16:24, 6 July 2011 (CEST)

Pathfinding issue fixed, though it seems to be still slightly off:

Junkyard PFG.jpg

There is still the issue of falling through the ground.

level files are here: http://edt.oni2.net/testlevel/junkyard.zip

EdT 03:14, 18 June 2011 (CEST)


Hi Neo,

I was able to create the pathfinding grids, however, they are offset from the geometry. Also, there is a spot where you will fall through the ground.

Junkyard.png

The bnv itself is correct:

Junkyard bnv.png

Here are my files: http://edt.oni2.net/testlevel/TestLevel.zip

EDIT: Tested OniSplit with the arena level data: http://mods.oni2.net/system/files/80200ArenaofHurt.zip Extracted the AKEV, then used create:akev to import the level. The pathfinding grids were offset from the geometry and there were areas where the player will fall through the floor.

EdT 01:03, 17 June 2011 (CEST)



Hi Neo, I have tried Your ".dae" to ".xml" animation importer. I keep getting message ".dae files cannot be imported as TRAM". Can you tell me please where is the problem? Thank you. --Loser 13:00, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Hello, to import an animation you need an xml file and a dae file. If you try to export a TRAM to xml you get both files and when importing you need to provide the xml file, not the dae file. The dae file is referenced from inside the xml file (see the DaeImport element) Neo


New OniSplit version: OniSplit v0.9.52 (https://cid-639aa31296681bfe.skydrive.live.com/self.aspx/Oni/OniSplit/OniSplit%5E_v0.9.52.zip, dead link)

What's new:

  • When a TRBS file is exported to xml the geometry is exported to separate .dae files, one .dae file for each LOD
  • New -anim-body option. This allows a particular body (ONCC or TRBS) to be specified when exporting animations:
  onisplit -extract:xml out -anim-body:ONCCbarabus.oni TRAMsomething.oni
  • New -recurse option for the xml exporter. Have fun :)
  onisplit -extract:xml out -recurse ONCCbarabus.oni
  • Changed light color in the environment importer to white (it used to be blueish)
  • New -env-notxmp option. This prevents the automatic creation of TXMP files while importing the environment.
  • Made -normals work when importing TRBS from xml + dae files.

New OniSplit version: OniSplit v0.9.41

What's new:

  • fixed the Collada importer to work with 3DSMax exported files

New OniSplit version: OniSplit v0.9.40

What's new:

  • support for exporting/importing sound animations to/from xml files
  • better Collada export for environment
  • support for full color transparent textures (-format:bgra32 on the command line, ARGB8888 format in an xml file)
  • different (hopefully better) xml export format for animations (this one is actually from 0.9.38 but since that wasn't mentioned here...)
  • a more or less complete animation importer. This one deservers some notes:
-unlike other importers that produce .oni files this one produces and .xml file (similar to the one you get when exporting a TRAM)
when you do
 onisplit -create:tram target_dir animation.dae
in the target dir you'll get a TRAManimation.xml file.
You need to add some stuff to that file to make it actually work as an animation. In particular the animation type, from/to states and varient needs to be set.
-For all I know this works with animations exported from Oni and modified in Softimage. If you come up with a completly new animation it should work as long as the skeleton is similar to the one used in Oni.
-Note that the geometry that is present inside the Collada file is used to compute the "vertical extents" so it better be the same or close to the one the animation is intended for.
-The biggest problem are the attacks. While it's not difficult to add attacks to the xml file, computing the necessary "extents" is not going to be easy. I guess in the end I'll have to add some command to OniSplit to do it.
-Everything else that I forgot :)

Neo

New OniSplit version: OniSplit v0.9.37

What's new:

  • support for transparency in the environment importer


New OniSplit version: OniSplit v0.9.35

What's new:

  • conversion of recorded films (.dat binary files) to xml files that can be used to create FILM .oni files
   OniSplit film2xml out_dir film.dat

Neo

I get this error message using the command create:tram

 System.NotSupportedException: Invalid rotation axis {X:0 Y:0 Z:-1} for rotate transform in animation pelvis-node-ry
 at Oni.Totoro.AnimationDaeReader.FindRotations () [0x00000] 
 at Oni.Totoro.AnimationDaeReader.Import (System.String filePath, System.String outputDirPath) [0x00000] 
 at Oni.Program.CreateGeneric (System.String[] args) [0x00000] 
 at Oni.Program.Main (System.String[] args) [0x00000]  (1)

The dae files are here: http://www.filefront.com/14507129/dae.rar (dead link)

xml animation file here: http://www.filefront.com/14507115/ID%20walking.xaf (dead link)

Thanks EdT

Yep, caused by Z-up. I'll see what I can do.

Neo

Hi Neo,

When you have time, can you take a look at this:

TRBSproblem.jpg

When I use the latest FBX Converter 2010.2 to convert FBX to DAE, I get this problem. However, when I use an older version, it works fine. Here are the DAEs from both version: http://edt.oni2.net/temp/TRBSproblem.zip G2 is uses the new version, G1 uses the old.

Thanks EdT

Oh boy, the new converter uses matrix transforms instead of individual scale/rotate/translate transforms. I'll see what I can do...

Neo



The Iron Demon walks! Sorta...

You can see the video here: http://edt.oni2.net/ID/IDwalk.wmv

I converted the files from Bobbysoon (TRAMID_run1stepb.DAE, TRAMID_runstart.DAE, TRAMID_runstop.DAE) to xml. The XML gave the pelvis height as <Height>-2175.5</Height>, so I removed the negative and divided the height by 100. But as you can see, the model floats above the ground. Also, the velocity has some large numbers in the first part <Velocity>-4.076141 0</Velocity> I think that is the cause of the ID moving sideways not forward.

Files here: http://edt.oni2.net/ID/ID_Files.zip

EdT

Ha ha, that's going in my album of weird modding results. Anyway, I didn't even realize that animations were supposed to work yet, I thought we were waiting for an update to OniSplit. --Iritscen 14:33, 29 November 2009 (UTC)



Hi Neo,

Having problems converting DAEs to trams. I put all the files in a zip and included a ReadMe with the description of the errors. http://edt.oni2.net/temp/NeoTRAM.zip

I was trying to make new animations, whenever you have time, please take a look. Thanks EdT



Hmm... I just discovered that I can't export TXMPs from a .dat file to the PNG format. I am attempting to use the -extract:png command on a virgin .dat file. The -extract:tga options works fine, but the -extract:png option gives:

System.TypeInitializationException: An exception was thrown by the type initializer for System.Drawing.GDIPlus --->  System.DllNotFoundException: gdiplus.dll
 at (wrapper managed-to-native) System.Drawing.GDIPlus:GdiplusStartup (ulong&,System.Drawing.GdiplusStartupInput&,System.Drawing.GdiplusStartupOutput&)
 at System.Drawing.GDIPlus..cctor () [0x00000] 
 --- End of inner exception stack trace ---
 at System.Drawing.Bitmap..ctor (Int32 width, Int32 height, PixelFormat format) [0x00000] 
 at (wrapper remoting-invoke-with-check) System.Drawing.Bitmap:.ctor (int,int,System.Drawing.Imaging.PixelFormat)
 at Oni.Imaging.SysExporter.ExportInstance (Oni.InstanceDescriptor descriptor) [0x00000] 
 at Oni.Exporter.ExportInstanceList (System.Collections.Generic.List`1 descriptors) [0x00000] 
 at Oni.Exporter.Export (Oni.InstanceFileManager fileManager, System.String sourceFilePath, System.String filter) [0x00000] 
 at Oni.Program.ExtractTextures (System.String[] args) [0x00000] 
 at Oni.Program.Main (System.String[] args) [0x00000]

This occurred in both 0.9.38 and 0.9.41 on my Mac. I used to always extract TXMPs as TGA, so I don't know when this actually worked for me. --Iritscen 17:54, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

TGA always works because it's all done in OniSplit. For PNG/JPG I'm using the framework (.NET/Mono) and Mono seems to have a problem. Neo
I just tested it myself and I was able to extract all the textures from a virgin .dat file as PNG. I'm using the latest version 0.9.45 and the latest Mono framework. OSX 10.5.8 and 10.6.2 EdT
Okay, after many aborted attempts at updating mono (I was running 2.0.1) by building from source or using their binary installer, I realized that the installer was putting the files in some meaningless directory, and I ended up copying them to the right system directories, hoping I didn't overwrite libraries that were supposed to stay unchanged. Who knows what the consequences will be down the road for other stuff, but OniSplit now exports PNGs properly for me! --Iritscen 20:28, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Observations of importing TRAMs to XSI.

Sometimes, imported TRAMs will have odd rotations mainly related to the pelvis and thighs. Here is one example, the Striker's walking TRAM: http://edt.oni2.net/TRAMS/WalkOS.wmv As you can see the pelvis and thighs are rotating in an odd fashion. This is due to euler vs quaternion rotations. To see it correctly in XSI, you can use the option to "Convert Euler Rotation to Quaternion" on the pelvis and thighs, then the animation appears correct: http://edt.oni2.net/TRAMS/WalkQT.wmv However, when importing a converted animation back to Oni, you get this result: http://edt.oni2.net/TRAMS/WalkOni.wmv

When a TRAM is imported to XSI, to "unwrap" a model from the default animation state, the right thigh is rotated 180 on the X axis and -180 on the Z axis, the left is rotated -180 on the X and -180 on the Z axis. Somehow, from this starting point, whenever XSI moves the thigh from a negative to a positive angle (or in the case of this example from positive to negative), the part would rotate the long way around as shown here: http://edt.oni2.net/TRAMS/ThighXZaxis.wmv

One workaround is to insert keyframes to cause the animation to rotate in the correct direction.

I found another approach that seems to work, if you are making an animation from scratch. That is to rotate the thighs down 180 on the Y axis. So far in my testing, there are no odd rotations: http://edt.oni2.net/TRAMS/ThighYaxis.wmv

The Striker DAE files and the XSI scene files are here: http://edt.oni2.net/TRAMS/TRAMfiles.zip

EdT

I'm still unsure how the XZ animation was produced. There's a keyframe (for the Z rotation of left_thigh) that causes this. It's value is 135 while all the other keyframes for Z are well below 0 (-150..-180). If you move that keyframe to something like -215 then the animation works fine. Or so it appears to me...

Neo

That's true about changing the keyframe to -215, however, for all the TRAMs exported from Oni, the number for the rotations are always less than 180 or -180. When the thigh is positioned in front of the body, the rotation on the Z axis is negative, between the range of -0.x to -179.x and when it is positioned behind the body, the rotation number is positive, between the range of 0.x to 179.x. So my XZ animation was reflecting that aspect. EdT
Ah, I didn't think about that. I don't think it matters if those angles are between -180..180 or not, I haven't seen any problems while trying to import the animation with -215. Neo
Then my question is, would it be possible to program OniSplit one day, so that it can produce a TRAM DAE that will import into XSI without any of those odd rotations of the pelvis and thighs? Or for OniSplit to import a TRAM DAE that was converted from Euler to Quaternion rotation? It will be much easier to modify existing TRAMs without having to deal with those odd rotations. Thanks EdT
TRAM DAE: yes, I think so. I have an idea though I've yet to test it. Euler to Quaternion: I don't know why that doesn't work, I'll check. In theory there should be no problem. Neo
Found another solution (in XSI): use "Make rotation keys continuous" (in the same menu as Euler to Quaternion). Neo
I tested the it, however, TRAMs converted that way do not appear correctly in Oni: http://edt.oni2.net/TRAMS/WalkRot.wmv files:http://edt.oni2.net/TRAMS/TRAMfiles2.zip EdT
Not to say that this is the only problem but... you're .dae files for left and right are identical :) Neo
"The Make rotation keys continuous"is working great, no problems. Except for the stupid user error with the Striker's walk... lol EdT
Googled a possible solution and fitted it to one method. I have already checked it for some quaternions, which should result in euler angles, which contains values greater than 180 degrees, and it works fine. Here it is:
   public static Vector3 FromQ2(Quaternion q1)
   {
       float sqw = q1.w * q1.w;
       float sqx = q1.x * q1.x;
       float sqy = q1.y * q1.y;
       float sqz = q1.z * q1.z;
       float unit = sqx + sqy + sqz + sqw; // if normalised is one, otherwise is correction factor
       float test = q1.x * q1.w - q1.y * q1.z;
       Vector3 v;
       Func<float, float> NormalizeAngle = new Func<float, float>(angle =>
       {
           while (angle > 360)
               angle -= 360;
           while (angle < 0)
               angle += 360;
           return angle;
       });
       Func<Vector3,Vector3> NormalizeAngles = new Func<Vector3,Vector3>(angles =>
       {
           angles.x = NormalizeAngle(angles.x);
           angles.y = NormalizeAngle(angles.y);
           angles.z = NormalizeAngle(angles.z);
           return angles;
       } );
       if (test > 0.4995f * unit)
       { // singularity at north pole
           v.y = 2f * Mathf.Atan2(q1.y, q1.x);
           v.x = Mathf.PI / 2;
           v.z = 0;
           return NormalizeAngles(v * Mathf.Rad2Deg);
       }
       if (test < -0.4995f * unit)
       { // singularity at south pole
           v.y = -2f * Mathf.Atan2(q1.y, q1.x);
           v.x = -Mathf.PI / 2;
           v.z = 0;
           return NormalizeAngles(v * Mathf.Rad2Deg);
       }
       Quaternion q = new Quaternion(q1.w, q1.z, q1.x, q1.y);
       v.y = (float)Math.Atan2(2f * q.x * q.w + 2f * q.y * q.z, 1 - 2f * (q.z * q.z + q.w * q.w));     // Yaw
       v.x = (float)Math.Asin(2f * (q.x * q.z - q.w * q.y));                             // Pitch
       v.z = (float)Math.Atan2(2f * q.x * q.y + 2f * q.z * q.w, 1 - 2f * (q.y * q.y + q.z * q.z));      // Roll
       return NormalizeAngles(v * Mathf.Rad2Deg);
   }

p.s. sorry, not found any code tags or something like that. p.s.s. Mathf.Rad2Deg must be 57.2958f. other Mathf stuff is similar to Math p.s.s.s anyway, looks like the root of evil is not in quaternion -> euler conversion. i will try to investigate that. 6opoDuJIo


Hi Neo,

I have thought of adding a point to your todo list if you don't mind. Since the throw target is sort of reversed played in Oni (body rotated by 180 degrees, reversed movement, if I remember correctly), it would come handy if Onisplit can reverse it. Doing it in XSI would be a load of unnecessary work each time. Onisplit could easily recognize this special animation in the XML tags (<Flag>... ThrowTarget ...</Flag>). --Paradox-01 15:21, 29 March 2010 (UTC)


Here's a mystery [which has been solved, see edits below this one]: what is wrong with Oni's sound occlusion with 44Khz sounds in Windows (and possibly all occlusion on Macs)? Here are two alternate versions of a package: http://iritscen.oni2.net/temp/06000MissingSoundsNoOcc.zip (dead link) and http://iritscen.oni2.net/temp/06000MissingSoundsOcc.zip (dead link). This package simply adds a sound to the gears at the end of Science Prison. There are probably any number of ways to test for this issue, but this is how I noticed the problem, so I can vouch for its reproducibility.

  1. Install the Occ version of the package. This uses 22Khz sound.
  2. Load Science Prison SP1 so there's no music or enemies around, and do "chr_location 0 676.3 64.7 -1898.3". You're now on top of the gears.
  3. Run into one of the nearby rooms with windows. The sound comes from the point you teleported to, so position yourself so the "ray" from the sound can reach you through a window. If you are standing with part of the room's wall in the way, the sound may cut out completely, which you don't want.
  4. Listen to the sound. Isn't it soothing? Now shoot the glass out (the M. Bow is a nice choice, it's quiet so you can hear the gears more clearly). The sound should get louder. You can hear this in my movie http://iritscen.oni2.net/temp/GearsTestWindows.mp4 (dead link) (though the gears sound was distorted at the time because I didn't set the .grp properly, that's besides the point in this case).
  5. Now replace the Occ package with the NoOcc package and install it. This one uses 44Khz sound.
  6. Performing the same test, you should hear the gears at the same volume through glass as without the glass in the way. You can hear this issue in my movie http://iritscen.oni2.net/temp/GearsTestMac.mp4 (dead link). Obviously in the Mac test I was using 22Khz sound, and yet I experienced the same issue. I suspect something was changed in the occlusion code between the Windows and Mac releases, perhaps in tandem with the removal of 44Khz sound support, that glommed the Windows 44Khz bug onto the Mac 22Khz sound code.

Now, is it definitely a problem with Oni? I guess it is if we're sure that the sounds and .grp I provided are formatted and imported correctly. Or perhaps I'm totally mixed up here and don't know what I'm talking about. I've never done sound work before in Oni. --Iritscen (talk) 15:36, 25 April 2013 (CEST)

Iritscen: Try your test again with the command sound_show_debug=1 you will see a list of sounds and the sound level for each one. When you are in front of the gears the level is 1 for gears, gears.aif . Then move into one of the rooms behind the glass, the sound level will drop to around .6 or .7 depending on how far away you are. Shoot out the glass and then the sound level will return to 1.EdT (talk) 17:02, 25 April 2013 (CEST)
D'oh. I was wondering if I should have put this on Paradox's page but I felt that it was probably an Oni bug and I shouldn't distract 'dox anymore. I guess you would have had a simple solution to the problem no matter where I put it, EdT. So here's what happened: the NoOcc package has a custom .grp so that I can specify "2" channels, AKA 44Khz sound, since Oni's .grp expects 22Khz. What I had forgotten that I also tried to turn up the volume of the gears noise by setting the .grp's Volume to 2 instead of 1. Because a sound's maximum actual volume in Oni is 1, what happens with a >1 volume setting is that a sound will reach 100% volume from farther away than if the sound was set to a volume of 1. Because I was standing within the >1 apparent volume range of the NoOcc package's louder gears, I couldn't hear any difference in sound volume when a window got in the way. That's because the volume was still greater than 1 even though the sound was in fact being occluded from say, 1.9 to 1.4.
Well, I learned something about sound today! Sorry for cluttering your talk page unnecessarily, Neo (I know you won't be seeing this until the weekend anyway). The funny thing is that I just got done telling someone on the forum about sound_show_debug, but I had no idea that the numbers in the left column were apparent volume so I didn't think of using the debug display on my package. Well, thanks EdT, at least I know everything is working properly. --Iritscen (talk) 18:06, 25 April 2013 (CEST)

Hi Neo,

I've tried a couple of OniSplit commands but I couldn't get some to work with latest public version (0.9.94.0). The commands are the follow:

Conversion of ONWC > OBJ and DAE:

  -extract:obj outputdir input_ONWC.oni
  -extract:dae outputdir input_ONWC.oni

both execute with sucess but don't generate output.

Conversion of OBJ > M3GM:

  -create:m3gm outputdir input.obj

I get the exception:

  System.ArgumentOutOfRangeException: O ¡ndice estava fora do intervalo. Tem de ser nÆo negativo e inferior ao tamanho da colec?Æo.
  Nome do par?metro: index
  em System.ThrowHelper.ThrowArgumentOutOfRangeException()
  em Oni.Dae.IO.ObjReader.ReadVertices(String[] tokens)
  em Oni.Dae.IO.ObjReader.ReadFace(String[] tokens)
  em Oni.Dae.IO.ObjReader.ReadObjFile(String filePath)
  em Oni.Dae.IO.ObjReader.ReadFile(String filePath)
  em Oni.Motoko.GeometryImporter.Import(String filePath, String outputDirPath)
  em Oni.Program.ExecuteTasks(String[] args, String outputDirPath, Set`1 importedFiles, Queue`1 taskQueue)
  em Oni.Program.CreateGeneric(String[] args)
  em Oni.Program.Main(String[] args)

Could these be fixed? Thanks. Script 10k (talk) 22:07, 3 January 2014 (CET)


Hi Neo, do you still stop by the wiki? Not sure if you will see this. I sent you an email at what I'm pretty sure is your Yahoo! address, but I don't know if you still check that email, and it doesn't seem that you use Yahoo! Messenger anymore. I'm trying to get back in touch with you to ask you some questions about OniSplit, etc. --Iritscen (talk) 00:02, 27 September 2016 (CEST)