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'''''How far after Oni should Oni 2 be?'''''<br> | '''''How far after Oni should Oni 2 be?'''''<br> | ||
: A. Starting right after Oni (days or months later) would be interesting. There would be a lot more energy at this time period than any other point we could place the sequel at. | : A. Starting right after Oni (days or months later) would be interesting. There would be a lot more energy at this time period than any other point we could place the sequel at. | ||
: B. Long enough that the "new world" is shaping up (a few to several years), so we get an answer to Konoko's question at the end of Oni as to how society will turn out, or what the intermediate stage will be, anyway. | : '''B. Long enough that the "new world" is shaping up (a few to several years), so we get an answer to Konoko's question at the end of Oni as to how society will turn out, or what the intermediate stage will be, anyway.''' | ||
: C. So far after Oni that Konoko is gone and a new generation of characters can be introduced. It would be hard to pull people into a sequel without one familiar face (not that we couldn't work out something with clones or what-have-you), but this would free us from worrying about Konoko being too powerful for a sequel. | : C. So far after Oni that Konoko is gone and a new generation of characters can be introduced. It would be hard to pull people into a sequel without one familiar face (not that we couldn't work out something with clones or what-have-you), but this would free us from worrying about Konoko being too powerful for a sequel. | ||
'''''What happened to the WCG?'''''<br> | '''''What happened to the WCG?'''''<br> | ||
:It falls apart when member nations fight each other to annex land with working ACCs. | : It falls apart when member nations fight each other to annex land with working ACCs. | ||
'''''What happened to the TCTF?'''''<br> | '''''What happened to the TCTF?'''''<br> | ||
:Also fragmented. The regional branches are now working for their own nations like National Guard forces. | : Also fragmented. The regional branches are now working for their own nations like National Guard forces. | ||
'''''If Griffin's still kicking when Oni 2 takes place, what's he up to?'''''<br> | '''''If Griffin's still kicking when Oni 2 takes place, what's he up to?'''''<br> | ||
: A. He could be the head of his country's police (what country is that, now?) | : A. He could be the head of his country's police (what country is that, now?) | ||
: B. He might have disliked the new national thing and is heading his own "rogue" organization. What would it do? | : '''B. He might have disliked the new national thing and is heading his own "rogue" organization. What would it do?''' | ||
:: 1. Work on getting Chrysalises to people. | :: 1. Work on getting Chrysalises to people. | ||
:: 2. Work on keeping Chrysalises from people. Those things are dangerous! If Mai is promoting the use of Chrysalises, this would make them enemies again. | :: '''2. Work on keeping Chrysalises from people. Those things are dangerous! If Mai is promoting the use of Chrysalises, this would make them enemies again.''' | ||
:::I favor the notion of B2, which keeps Griffin as the enemy, but this time an enemy with a solid motivation, not being a jerk (Oni 1's Griffin) or just | ::: I favor the notion of B2, which keeps Griffin as the enemy, but this time an enemy with a solid motivation, not just being a jerk (Oni 1's Griffin) or just a maniac (Oni 1's Muro). He knows that humanity can benefit from the Chrysalis in the short run but also feels strongly that giving everyone the Chrysalis will be opening Pandora's Box as the things develop inside people, so he fights to keep them out of the public's hands. This also places him in the anti-authoritarian position, as a rogue or guerilla, which is quite interesting to imagine. | ||
'''''What happened to the Syndicate?'''''<br> | '''''What happened to the Syndicate?'''''<br> | ||
: A. Broken into pieces by infighting and panic over Cataclysm; supplying arms to groups fighting to take over neigboring countries with working ACCs. | : A. Broken into pieces by infighting and panic over Cataclysm; supplying arms to groups fighting to take over neigboring countries with working ACCs. | ||
: B. Broken into pieces. One piece (Muro's cronies) has the data on Daodans and is trying to sell it to nations or corporations. This might even give them the edge they need to become the main branch of the Neo-Syndicate. They might have control over a whole nation or two. Heh. Syndicastan. | : '''B. Broken into pieces. One piece (Muro's surviving cronies) has the data on Daodans and is trying to sell it to nations or corporations. This might even give them the edge they need to become the main branch of the [[Oni2:Neo-Syndicate]]. They might have control over a whole nation or two. Heh. Syndicastan.''' | ||
'''''How many ACCs were there, and how many broken?'''''<br> | '''''How many ACCs were there, and how many broken?'''''<br> | ||
: There's absolutely no facts to go on (is that true? I thought I saw a number | : There's absolutely no facts to go on (is that true? I thought I saw a number in some manual or something), so we have to arbitrate. Let's say that a Europe-sized nation has 3-5 on average. They don't cover the whole country, so only parts are inhabited. So if half of a country's ACCs goes offline, and the neighbor country has some working ACCs, and they were never that friendly with their neighbors, they will probably try to win over that territory. Thus starts World War III, but in an every-man-for-himself way, not Allies vs. Axis or something similar. | ||
'''''How bad is the pollution?'''''<br> | '''''How bad is the pollution?'''''<br> | ||
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:: See "Who was Mukade?" below for speculation on this. | :: See "Who was Mukade?" below for speculation on this. | ||
'''''What ever happened to Dr. Hasegawa?'''''<br> | |||
: It's lame to say he died somewhere along the way when Oni doesn't say he's dead, but then where is he, and why does everyone act like he's gone in Oni? | : It's lame to say he died somewhere along the way when Oni doesn't say he's dead, but then where is he, and why does everyone act like he's gone in Oni? | ||
: Perhaps after seeing his technology abused by the Syndicate, he retired from the public, even hid. Now he lives with a little blonde-haired girl who looks strangely familiar…. | : Perhaps after seeing his technology abused by the Syndicate, he retired from the public, even hid. Now an old man, he lives with a little blonde-haired girl who looks strangely familiar…. (I would love this angle, but I hope no one accuses me of ripping of [[Gendo Ikari]].) But the question remains, Who side is he on? | ||
'''''Did Muro actually die?'''''<br> | '''''Did Muro actually die?'''''<br> | ||
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'''''Did Barabas or Mukade die? Either could simply have been KOed. We're not told.'''''<br> | '''''Did Barabas or Mukade die? Either could simply have been KOed. We're not told.'''''<br> | ||
: A. "Yes" to Barabas, "No" to Mukade could explain the major [[Daodan]] spike after beating Barabas but none after beating Mukade. (Assuming killing leads to a Daodan spike, which Mukade himself indicated it did. This hypothesis would also mean that Muro is definitely dead.) | : '''A. "Yes" to Barabas, "No" to Mukade could explain the major [[Daodan]] spike after beating Barabas but none after beating Mukade. (Assuming killing leads to a Daodan spike, which Mukade himself indicated it did. This hypothesis would also mean that Muro is definitely dead.)''' | ||
: B. "Yes" to both, and the difference in reaction was that Barabas was semi-Imago and Mukade was not. | : B. "Yes" to both, and the difference in reaction was that Barabas was semi-Imago and Mukade was not. | ||
:: But Mukade would have to be semi-Imago to have those powers. So this is not an option. | :: But Mukade would have to be semi-Imago to have those powers. So this is not an option. | ||
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: D. "No" to both. The difference in reaction could also be that Barabas was a Daodan host and Mukade was an experiment of Navarre's (but then why does Mukade indicate he and Mai are the same and they both are being replaced by something inside them?). I just don't know what to do with Barabas, but I would love to see Mukade out of armor, as a new man. Whoever he is…. | : D. "No" to both. The difference in reaction could also be that Barabas was a Daodan host and Mukade was an experiment of Navarre's (but then why does Mukade indicate he and Mai are the same and they both are being replaced by something inside them?). I just don't know what to do with Barabas, but I would love to see Mukade out of armor, as a new man. Whoever he is…. | ||
: E. "Don't know" to both. The difference may have nothing to do with who dies and who doesn't. After all, does the (presumably non-sentient) Daodan organism inside Mai know when someone is killed? Perhaps it would, if there was a release of some energy when another Daodan host died, but let's assume that it doesn't know, and see where that leads us. If it doesn't know, then the occurrence of a major spike has more to do with Mai's mental/physical state at the time. It could be pointed out that all three of the "triggers" for the major spikes are the defeat of someone who has something to do with Shinatama. Barabas has just kidnapped her when Mai defeats him, the room of baddies at the end of Chapter 7 are guarding Shinatama/keeping her from Mai, and Muro was the one who tortured Shinatama personally. | : E. "Don't know" to both. The difference may have nothing to do with who dies and who doesn't. After all, does the (presumably non-sentient) Daodan organism inside Mai know when someone is killed? Perhaps it would, if there was a release of some energy when another Daodan host died, but let's assume that it doesn't know, and see where that leads us. If it doesn't know, then the occurrence of a major spike has more to do with Mai's mental/physical state at the time. It could be pointed out that all three of the "triggers" for the major spikes are the defeat of someone who has something to do with Shinatama. Barabas has just kidnapped her when Mai defeats him, the room of baddies at the end of Chapter 7 are guarding Shinatama/keeping her from Mai, and Muro was the one who tortured Shinatama personally. | ||
::I made some interesting points with E above, but I still favor A, because it sets me up for the kind of Oni 2 that I want to write, one where Muro and Barabas are gone and Mukade still lives, and the explanation is a simple one (using E's back-pedaling disclaimer that the Daodan, even if non-sentient, could still detect and react to the death of a host by sensing a release of energy, or a cessation of life of another Daodan organism nearby, therefore, no reaction to Mukade's defeat means he still lives). | :: I made some interesting points with E above, but I still favor A, because it sets me up for the kind of Oni 2 that I want to write, one where Muro and Barabas are gone and Mukade still lives, and the explanation is a simple one (using E's back-pedaling disclaimer that the Daodan, even if non-sentient, could still detect and react to the death of a host by sensing a release of energy, or a cessation of life of another Daodan organism nearby, therefore, no reaction to Mukade's defeat means he still lives). | ||
'''''Who really was/is Mukade?'''''<br> | '''''Who really was/is Mukade?'''''<br> | ||
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: B. More interesting answer is that he's related to Mai somehow. Since we don't know what happened to her dad, he could be Daddy. | : B. More interesting answer is that he's related to Mai somehow. Since we don't know what happened to her dad, he could be Daddy. | ||
:: 1. But that seems kind of clichéd, and since when did he turn from professor to master ninja? | :: 1. But that seems kind of clichéd, and since when did he turn from professor to master ninja? | ||
:: 2. What if he is a clone of dear old dad, but one gone horribly wrong? The clone was made to serve as a body for a Chrysalis, but was unstable. This would explain Mukade's fatalistic ready-to-die-when-the-Chrysalis-takes-over attitude in Oni. | :: 2. What if he is a genetic clone of dear old dad, but one gone horribly wrong? The clone was made to serve as a body for a Chrysalis, but was unstable. This would explain Mukade's fatalistic ready-to-die-when-the-Chrysalis-takes-over attitude in Oni. | ||
:: | :: '''3. He could be a Daodan clone, a product of Hasegawa! Being raised as part of the Syndicate would have twisted him.''' | ||
:: 4. He might be Bertram Navarre. One can still ask how a scientist becomes a ninja, but we don't know Navarre at all, so if we want to write him as an athletic guy, or say that he built a suit to help him fight, we can. This would also explain why he doesn't give Konoko a Daodan surge when he is defeated, if he was Navarre or a product of Navarre's own non-Daodan experiments. But he indicates to Konoko in their encounter that they are both Daodan hosts, so this is probably a no-go. | :: 4. He might be Bertram Navarre. One can still ask how a scientist becomes a ninja, but we don't know Navarre at all, so if we want to write him as an athletic guy, or say that he built a suit to help him fight, we can. This would also explain why he doesn't give Konoko a Daodan surge when he is defeated, if he was Navarre or a product of Navarre's own non-Daodan experiments. But he indicates to Konoko in their encounter that they are both Daodan hosts, so this is probably a no-go. | ||
'''''If still alive, what is Mukade doing?'''''<br> | '''''If still alive, what is Mukade doing?'''''<br> | ||
: A. He might still be evil, but it seems like he would have self-destructed by now. That kind of personality couldn't last for years without mellowing. If still evil, he probably is running a branch of the disjointed Syndicate. | : A. He might still be evil, but it seems like he would have self-destructed by now. That kind of personality couldn't last for years without mellowing. If still evil, he probably is running a branch of the disjointed Syndicate. | ||
: B. He might have totally turned around after being broken at Konoko's hands. He doesn't even hold a grudge against her. He has resigned himself to serving the people by alternating Daodan harvesting and experimenting with Neo-Agriculture. He is likely to want to avoid fighting so it doesn't bring back his bad tendencies. | : '''B. He might have totally turned around after being broken at Konoko's hands. He doesn't even hold a grudge against her. He has resigned himself to serving the people by alternating Daodan harvesting and experimenting with [[Oni2:Neo-Agriculture]]. He is likely to want to avoid fighting so it doesn't bring back his 'bad tendencies'.''' | ||
'''''What would Mai be doing as the Cataclysm happened?'''''<br> | '''''What would Mai be doing as the Cataclysm happened?'''''<br> | ||
: She and Griffin are the only ones we know of with the knowledge to work with Chrysalises. Well, the Syndicate might have Muro's data. | : She and Griffin are the only ones we know of with the knowledge to work with Chrysalises. Well, the Syndicate might have Muro's data. Anyway, if we assume her views remain the same from the ending of Oni, Mai would be helping people get them, but not in a Florence Nightingale way; she's no doting nurse. She'd be wherever there's a fight over collecting Daodans from the Wilderness or quelling international issues one hotspot at a time. | ||
::She might also have issues about her choices at the end of Oni. | :: She might also have issues about her choices at the end of Oni. | ||
'''''Does Mai end up going Imago, at least by the time of Oni 2?'''''<br> | '''''Does Mai end up going Imago, at least by the time of Oni 2?'''''<br> | ||
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'''''What would Oni 2 be about?''''' | '''''What would Oni 2 be about?''''' | ||
: A. Well, it could be about more than one thing. I would like to see Mai trying to find her father. It should be for more than sentimental reasons, because those would seem trivial when the world is on fire. Perhaps she needs data only he has. | : A. Well, it could be about more than one thing. I would like to see Mai trying to find her father. It should be for more than sentimental reasons, because those would seem trivial when the world is on fire. Perhaps she needs data only he has. | ||
::Certainly if she's looking for him, she has to find him. It would be a total tease not to reveal what he's been up to all this time. Maybe finding him is just the start of Act Two, as his work sets a new plot in motion. | ::Certainly if she's looking for him, she has to find him. It would be a total tease not to reveal what he's been up to all this time. Maybe finding him is just the start of Act Two, as his work (assuming he's still doing any) sets a new plot in motion. | ||
: B. It could also be about a new development in the Wilderness…. | : B. It could also be about a new development in the Wilderness…. | ||
: C. Perhaps man is trying to burn away the mutated Wilderness to re-establish a normal ecosphere and Mai feels this is not the right path. | : C. Perhaps man is trying to burn away the mutated Wilderness to re-establish a normal ecosphere and Mai feels this is not the right path. | ||
: D. Maybe the Syndicate is selling Chrysalises, and Mai and company are trying to prevent it. | : D. Maybe the Neo-Syndicate is selling Chrysalises, and Mai and company are trying to prevent it. | ||
: E. Maybe someone has released a virus that | : E. Maybe someone has released a virus that can kill the Chrysalis. Particularly if the Chrysalises being sold are based on one set of genes to speed up production, this puts the entire implanted population at risk of death, or at least the removal of their protection from the Bio-Crisis. | ||
::Maybe it makes those implantees change | ::Maybe it makes those implantees ''change'' somehow…. | ||