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:::"Humor images" turns the word "humor" into a grammatically improbable qualifier, in which place "fun" would probably be better because it's already been "adjectiviated". Apart from "fun images", my suggestion here would be to make a higher-level category called "Humor" used to categorize ''that'' kind of images, but also articles which are supposed to make people ROFL. Note that you can't categorize sections (dunno if it's unfortunate or fortunate). --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 04:43, 12 November 2008 (CET)

:::Sadly, I have the same reserve with respect to "article illustrations": it doesn't ''explicitly'' exclude art (and it's not like illustrations can't be artful btw); the implicit restrictions actually boil down to the fact that this is a "default" category for images than are not featured in any of our fancy categories, but are "merely" used to illustrate an article, which is the primary purpose of an image anyway. (I still think we've been uploading too much junk "for completeness", and that we ''should'' make "every" uploaded image count - by illustrating articles.) However, generic as it is, this category name also somehow discourages using the image in another article than the one it was uploaded for. Thus my impression is that "article illustrations" are a bad category: I would suggest using the basic "Images" category, together with some categories specific to the article(s) the image in being featured in ("OBD", "Oni universe", "TCTF", "Weapons", etc). --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 04:43, 12 November 2008 (CET)

:::I'm afraid it's not just me against the rest of the world here: Oni itself describes the main menu as "out-of-game UI", so there is room for controversy. IMO, in-game is what's explicitly rendered by the game engine (first and foremot interactive gameplay sequences, and cutscenes if they're rendered in real-time). That sorta excludes intro, outro, and splashscreens, which are auxiliary media, clearly separated from the playable game per se. I guess we could both be happy with a name like "Game art" or "Oni game art" (which would include icons, box art, installation splashscreen, etc). I personally would be happy with something like "Oni game content", but this would go against the tree logic (and would also make us look like reckless content rippers). Maybe just ignore me. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 04:43, 12 November 2008 (CET)

:::Templates are often created by regular editors as a typesetting commodity, not set up by admins with maintenance in mind. They are a basic feature of MediaWiki, and I don't think you should label the whole lot of them as something "administrative". The only "administrative" templates are what you called "administrative templates", really. Maybe you are looking for another name than "Administrative", something like "Wiki-world" (as opposed to Real-world and Oni-world). It may also be that the "Images" subtree actually belongs in that "wiki-space": like "Templates", the root of that hierarchy is redundant of a fundamental built-in functionality of MediaWiki. The three trunks "Real-world", "Oni-world" and "Wiki-world" make sense to me. The last trunk (wiki-world) is perhaps the most clear-cut: a purely utilitary categorization of the wiki's basic resources (e.g., images categorized as resources, regardless of their specific usage in articles; by genre or by author, but not according to what exactly is pictured; additional categorization will come from the "in-universe" tree, mostly). As you noticed the whole "added value" business blurs the line between "in-universe" and "real-world"; and modding also deals with "in-universe" entities and interpretations. I have no clear suggestion at this point. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 04:43, 12 November 2008 (CET)

:::The big problem with modding projects these days is that people tend to misinterpret the word "project": typically they mean to goof around a bit, make a buggy release or two, and then "move on" to other interests. Categorizing that kind of stuff looks ''very'' unrewarding to me. I never spent much time on testing/documenting/reviewing BSL scripts, and my attitude towards "mods in general" will probably be the same: I shall remain interested in the AE bandwagon and in other reasonably "big" projects, but I'll ignore stuff that I consider ignorable. My loss, I guess, but it's fairly realistic given my (lack of) free time; if you can keep "all" the mods organized, that's good for you. My only note at this point will be that all non-minor mods will be more or less "bi-platform" or "comprehensive", so multi-categorization looks like a must here; also, "comprehensive" is not very informative. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 04:43, 12 November 2008 (CET)

:::Frankly, if your aim is to accurately categorize ''every'' article on the wiki and to keep everything categorized, you have my blessing, but then you'll have ''me'' worrying about ''your'' mental sanity ^_^ It's an awful lot of work, and I'm still not sure we have (or will ever have) enough dedicated members to carry on this effort. And although it might make the wiki easier to manage for casual editors (or casual administrators ^_^), I fear it will never fully replace the kind of universal awareness and inspiration I've been relying on. It will probably help though - when it's done. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 04:43, 12 November 2008 (CET)