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::Of course Barabas and older Muro show the danger but add quite late to the picture. --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] ([[User talk:Paradox-01|talk]]) 20:29, 20 May 2020 (CEST) | ::Of course Barabas and older Muro show the danger but add quite late to the picture. --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] ([[User talk:Paradox-01|talk]]) 20:29, 20 May 2020 (CEST) | ||
:::0. I am not sure I am getting your argument, so feel free to reformulate/elaborate later. | :::0. I am not sure I am getting your argument, so feel free to reformulate/elaborate later. | ||
:::1. "For the beginning it is way too early to argue the Daodan is the perfect weapon. They had only theories and prototypes. They were not sure what mutations could emerge - the Daodan could turn out to be a flop. Some proof is needed." -- It's unusual for a scientist to work with the mindset that his work "could turn out to be a flop". They don't need proof that the work of their life is the most important thing ever. However, it's true that Hasegawa&Kerr didn't come to the Syndicate saying "hey, we're making a resilience patch that you can sell for big money, interested? or you can use it to make | :::1. "For the beginning it is way too early to argue the Daodan is the perfect weapon. They had only theories and prototypes. They were not sure what mutations could emerge - the Daodan could turn out to be a flop. Some proof is needed." -- It's unusual for a scientist to work with the mindset that his work "could turn out to be a flop". They don't need proof that the work of their life is the most important thing ever. However, it's true that Hasegawa&Kerr didn't come to the Syndicate saying "hey, we're making a resilience patch that you can sell for big money, interested? or you can use it to make your soldiers invincible - neat, eh?". More likely they said: "We're experimenting with illegal Phase-induced mutation of living cells. We'll let you know when we move from lettuce to mice." | ||
:::2. "we couldn't get backup from any legitimate source" is just Kerr fumbling for words as he tells Mai's story, so it's full of understatement and open to interpretation. But it ''does'' imply that the project was too risky and/or unethical by WCG standards. This means that Hasegawa's "official plan" - to make the human civilization pollution-resistant - was never going to work, one way or another. He couldn't make/spread the cure with WCG support, and he couldn't complete the project under the Syndicate's wing, either - because giving out the cure to everyone is "too nice" and brings no new profit or influence. At "best", the Syndicate would have ended up ''selling'' Chrysalises to the highest bidder, maybe with extra bio-terrorism to motivate their clients - which is close enough to what we see in Oni (Muro's STURMANDERUNG), but hardly in line with Hasegawa's altruism. | :::2. "we couldn't get backup from any legitimate source" is just Kerr fumbling for words as he tells Mai's story, so it's full of understatement and open to interpretation. But it ''does'' imply that the project was too risky and/or unethical by WCG standards. This means that Hasegawa's "official plan" - to make the human civilization pollution-resistant - was never going to work, one way or another. He couldn't make/spread the cure with WCG support, and he couldn't complete the project under the Syndicate's wing, either - because giving out the cure to everyone is "too nice" and brings no new profit or influence. At "best", the Syndicate would have ended up ''selling'' Chrysalises to the highest bidder, maybe with extra bio-terrorism to motivate their clients - which is close enough to what we see in Oni (Muro's STURMANDERUNG), but hardly in line with Hasegawa's altruism. | ||
:::3. "the WCG is very strict about high tech and regenerative meds, see inaction: letting people die because of overpopulation." -- sorry, I don't see what you're getting at. That the WCG wouldn't have backed up the Daodan project even if it was proven 100% safe and ethical and kawaii? (because if undermines the WCG's authority by taking away the BioCrisis threat) - well, sure, that's one of my points too, but it does ''not'' demonstrate that the Daodan looked 100% safe and ethical and kawaii when the project started - by design it's "smart cancer" that overcomes disease by filling you with tumors. | :::3. "the WCG is very strict about high tech and regenerative meds, see inaction: letting people die because of overpopulation." -- sorry, I don't see what you're getting at. That the WCG wouldn't have backed up the Daodan project even if it was proven 100% safe and ethical and kawaii? (because if undermines the WCG's authority by taking away the BioCrisis threat) - well, sure, that's one of my points too, but it does ''not'' demonstrate that the Daodan looked 100% safe and ethical and kawaii when the project started - by design it's "smart cancer" that overcomes disease by filling you with tumors. | ||