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::::::*OK, helping nature revert to a primeval/pristine state could be a legitimate goal for a "troublemaking" initiative, even if a bit naive.<ref group=geyser>Older isn't always better, especially if we're talking prehistoric environmental conditions. Suppose we revert to the primordial soup era, with heavy UV radiation, no oxygen, volcanoes everywhere... - how would that be a good thing? Anything before the Great Oxygenation Event would count as "dead air and foul water" to modern humans - or, for that matter, any biome that's old enough to host bacteria/parasites that our immune systems know nothing about. But would it really feel like progress for Hasegawa, working towards a "new world" that is, in fact, profoundly ancient, and uncompromisingly deadly at that?<br />The one thing that may help Hasegawa feel like he's ushering in a "brave new world" - and not playing along with some ancient folks who are stuck in the past - is the "haywire" part. New stuff flowing in from the Phase (or from beyond the Veil, whatever) - not just from a past Earth, but from alternate and/or future Earths, bringing about loads of new evolutionary miracles for Life and technological breakthroughs for Man... Now that's the kind of thing that definitely ''could'' feel like progress towards a new shape of things. Fundamentally uncontrollable progress - perhaps appealing only to a scientist that's already "progressing" towards "alternative sanity" himself - but progress nonetheless.</ref> (And yes, I do recall that your xenoforming is actually paleoforming, with the additional twist that there is no time travel involved - the ancient entities mean to reclaim the Earth simply by emerging from a stasis, and not by walking through some fast-forward time portal.)<ref group=geyser>I'm quite fond of the Diluvians, actually. How they're ancient and huge and dormant most of the time, but wake up once in a hundred million years (to avoid subduction), catalyzing Phase phenomena and causing catastrophic biological events (extinctions as well as explosions). I see them as massive catalysts of "Phase chaos" - rather than invaders who are deliberately paleoforming modern Earth -, and that redeems them in my eyes. That said, if they feel like the ocean's acidity is too high or too low for their comfort, they would probably try and do something about it - e.g., by wishing for plants that are better at photosynthesis -, but it wouldn't be anything like an engineered "plan", more like a planet-sized hivemind working through telekinesis, telepathy and other "Phase magic".</ref> | ::::::*OK, helping nature revert to a primeval/pristine state could be a legitimate goal for a "troublemaking" initiative, even if a bit naive.<ref group=geyser>Older isn't always better, especially if we're talking prehistoric environmental conditions. Suppose we revert to the primordial soup era, with heavy UV radiation, no oxygen, volcanoes everywhere... - how would that be a good thing? Anything before the Great Oxygenation Event would count as "dead air and foul water" to modern humans - or, for that matter, any biome that's old enough to host bacteria/parasites that our immune systems know nothing about. But would it really feel like progress for Hasegawa, working towards a "new world" that is, in fact, profoundly ancient, and uncompromisingly deadly at that?<br />The one thing that may help Hasegawa feel like he's ushering in a "brave new world" - and not playing along with some ancient folks who are stuck in the past - is the "haywire" part. New stuff flowing in from the Phase (or from beyond the Veil, whatever) - not just from a past Earth, but from alternate and/or future Earths, bringing about loads of new evolutionary miracles for Life and technological breakthroughs for Man... Now that's the kind of thing that definitely ''could'' feel like progress towards a new shape of things. Fundamentally uncontrollable progress - perhaps appealing only to a scientist that's already "progressing" towards "alternative sanity" himself - but progress nonetheless.</ref> (And yes, I do recall that your xenoforming is actually paleoforming, with the additional twist that there is no time travel involved - the ancient entities mean to reclaim the Earth simply by emerging from a stasis, and not by walking through some fast-forward time portal.)<ref group=geyser>I'm quite fond of the Diluvians, actually. How they're ancient and huge and dormant most of the time, but wake up once in a hundred million years (to avoid subduction), catalyzing Phase phenomena and causing catastrophic biological events (extinctions as well as explosions). I see them as massive catalysts of "Phase chaos" - rather than invaders who are deliberately paleoforming modern Earth -, and that redeems them in my eyes. That said, if they feel like the ocean's acidity is too high or too low for their comfort, they would probably try and do something about it - e.g., by wishing for plants that are better at photosynthesis -, but it wouldn't be anything like an engineered "plan", more like a planet-sized hivemind working through telekinesis, telepathy and other "Phase magic".</ref> | ||
::::::And, OK, we do not have to agree, or even to "agree to disagree" on anything. No matter how you feel about reconciling our different stories, I'm inevitably assimilating elements of SoW, Paradox is incorporating elements of TNZ, and you probably draw influence from many sources, too, including fellow storytelling efforts from within the community. At this point I'm not urging anyone to converge, unite or whatever. We're jus' talking, is all. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 00:27, 1 December 2022 (CET) | ::::::And, OK, we do not have to agree, or even to "agree to disagree" on anything. No matter how you feel about reconciling our different stories, I'm inevitably assimilating elements of SoW, Paradox is incorporating elements of TNZ, and you probably draw influence from many sources, too, including fellow storytelling efforts from within the community. At this point I'm not urging anyone to converge, unite or whatever. We're jus' talking, is all. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 00:27, 1 December 2022 (CET) | ||
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