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 :So I don't think that the time scales will be "politically manageable" by the WCG or anyone...
 ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 11:11, 10 October 2007 (CEST)
-;converting the survivors into genetically clean and better humans. (übermensch, eh??? ''geyser'')
-:The accent here is on "survivors". Let me try a more or less fitting (spontaneous) analogy.
+'''[[Talk:Daodan|Daodan talk moved]]'''
-:Before the Industrial Revolution, farmers used to thrash the corn by hand and then they had to separate the corn from the hulls.
-:"Die Spreu vom Weizen trennen." When thrown in the air, the hulls were blown away by the wind. In Oni we have a "Sturm"...
-:Now we could imagine what people are going to think. Nobody knows whether he's the corn or the hulls.
-:(''logical link???'') So, I think that the Syndicate wouldn't admit the Daodan's true potential - genetically speaking.
-:(''logical link???'') And even if the survivors will become "Übermenschen". What is it worth if their minds are altered/corrupted?
-::;paradox-01
-:My "übermensch" comment was a little gratuitous; I was ranting on the overused neonazi formalism.
-:I didn't object to anything in particular, which is probably why your response is very messy, too.
-:[[Daodan]] is most definitely "boundless", and potentially superhuman (unless you ''make up'' bounds).
-:In that respect, ''anti-eugenism propaganda'' would make sense, regardless of Nietzsche and Hitler.
-::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 11:11, 10 October 2007 (CEST)
-:The Syndicate would indeed have less trouble concealing the Daodan's potential than Hasegawa had.
-:After all, the pre-Muro Syndicate actually needed (or thought they needed) a Universal Soldier.
-:The people in the aftermath just "don't wanna die", so what ''they'' need is a resilience patch.
-:''If'' there is no anti-Daodan propaganda, you ''might'' sell the Daodan as "just" a resilience patch.
-:However, the motivation and feasibility of "Daodan to the people" is not obvious.
-:And it would take only a few serious opponents to spoil the appeal of the Daodan.
-:The alienation issue complements the "sorta eugenism" and makes the Daodan taboo.
-::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 11:11, 10 October 2007 (CEST)
-:"Die Spreu vom Weizen trennen" seems to be a German-only analogy: I've never heard of it.
-:Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's mostly about "natural selection": survival at any cost.
-:If the survivors let their "leaders" decide who'll be saved, they're giving their lives away.
-:Some of them might play that Survivor game and try their best to be "selected" for salvation.
-:Others will draw their strength from the fact that they ''don't need miracles'' to stay alive.
-:Your reaction up there is not too structured, but I guess we're talking of the same things.
-:Distributing the Daodan in any form will ''complicate'' the issue of survival, ''not'' solve it.
-:There's the fear of alienation, and there's the horror of "putting one's soul up for sale".
-::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 11:11, 10 October 2007 (CEST)
-;how many [Daodan] do you think they have??? and how can they "distribute" matching clones to total strangers???
-:At least enough for themselves. Let's say half a million (distributed all over the world). If they are willing to distribute, "Beta Daodan" comes to mind again.
-:My idea of the Daodan is that it has a "genetic concept" for self-improvement and doesn't depend on "minor" differences in the DNA. (At least it was developed for a human DNA.)
-::;paradox-01
-:Hm, "the [[Chrysalis]] is ''the'' hyperevolved clone of ''its'' host body". Generic, really?
-:The [[Prime]] Chrysalises were "based on the genetic codes of [Mai] and [Muro]": ''generic''?
-:A "generic" Daodan would be nice, but it would be a ''major improvement'' over the Primes.
-:But then you'd want that generic thing to be somehow ''inferior'' to the Primes (Beta). Äh?
-:All in all, you're saying that the Syndicate has completely instrumentalized the Daodan.
-:That's not too likely, given that every symbiote is basically unique and unpredictable.
-:It's also a regrettable waste of a perfectly good "autoevolutionary machine" concept.
-:The Daodan is nice if it's uncontrollable and a bit mystical (trap; Pandora's box).
-:You're ''devaluating'' it if you make it into an instrumental, versatile gadget. IMO.
-::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 11:11, 10 October 2007 (CEST)
-:As far as I can tell, the development cycle of (Prime) Chrysalises is as follows.
-:Stem cells from the host are exposed to a hyperevolution factor (details unknown).
-:This hyperevolved clone is grown over a few days/weeks/months, closely monitored.
-:The "Chrysalis" (basically, a small tumor) is then implanted back into the host.
-:Then the tumor assimilates and upgrades the genetically compatible host, in-place.
-:A possible improvement could be that the clone is grown without human monitoring.
-:Such a "Daodan kit" (syringe + "lab on a chip") would still be high-tech, though.
-:You could give away a few of those to rich survivors (Muro's supposed ultimatum).
-:But it's not something that can be mass-produced and distributed to the public IMO.
-::(it also depends a lot on ''what the factor of hyperevolution is''... is it rare?)
-:Of course, this is totally off-topic here... We could move that to [[Talk:Daodan]].
-::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 11:11, 10 October 2007 (CEST)
 ;wow, are you reading Wikipedia upside down???
 :Maybe I just picked the right ones - and yes: the German wiki is smaller. Take a look [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neue_Weltordnung#USA HERE]