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| States concern that this is more of a "Geyser's Storyline" thread than an "Oni 2 Storyline" thread. The thread's length makes it hard for newcomers to catch up, and geyser persistently defends his own story ideas, even when they're based on "contentious decisions" such as Konoko having amnesia and waking up in a cave after 20 years. Suggests making a thread for each diverging storyline so it's not about who's "winning" the one true storyline thread. Multiple storylines aren't an issue per se because not everyone wants to make a game out of their storyline. | | States concern that this is more of a "Geyser's Storyline" thread than an "Oni 2 Storyline" thread. The thread's length makes it hard for newcomers to catch up, and geyser persistently defends his own story ideas, even when they're based on "contentious decisions" such as Konoko having amnesia and waking up in a cave after 20 years. Suggests making a thread for each diverging storyline so it's not about who's "winning" the one true storyline thread. Multiple storylines aren't an issue per se because not everyone wants to make a game out of their storyline. | ||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=26#post_4111 here] | |||
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| Thinks geyser is running the thread, but doing so fairly. There aren't really any other fan storylines being worked on. The story that is "winning" is going to be the one that is most logical. | |||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=26#post_4113 here] | |||
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| There's more to it than just which story is most logical; different fans will want different kinds of stories, ranging from action-oriented to stealth-oriented. Still thinks forum can support more than one storyline. | |||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=26#post_4115 here] | |||
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| Links to disclaimer about Storyline thread on wiki [has been deleted, but it's found [http://wiki.oni2.net/w/index.php?title=User:Geyser&oldid=1381 here].] Still welcomes others' ideas in the thread. "The index should really ease things out. It would clearly separate the objective from the subjective; Oni's raw material and 'sensible blank-filling' that isn't part of any particular 'Oni 2 plot'... from interpretations/speculations that are a bit less flexible as for the way to let the story evolve in... and finally actual ideas of missions, cinematics, character interaction, parties in presence, etc." Story aside, the mission ideas generated ''ex nihilo'' such as the cave and SLD factory simply need to be built and tested, and if they are fun, they can be worked into the story. Acknowledges the weightiness of his walls of text. Is considering stepping back to allow others in thread more room to put forth their ideas. Thinks his ideas are generally compatible with other fans', even where they conflict, because we can allow for multiple possible truths in the story of the game, as much quality writing does. (However, the amnesia element is an exception to this pluralist approach.) For that matter, many of his ideas were made in response to others' ideas. Thinks it is time to step back and consider how things have turned out so far and where we want to go next. One possibility is an online fanzine where we can publish any Oni-related content. At any rate, anyone can start their own thread for their own storyline. | |||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=26#post_4165 here] | |||
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| In fact, the discussions and arguments in this thread are necessary when trying to propose ideas if we want those ideas to be enduring and successful. Rather than shying away from this main storyline thread and making their own, fans need to make the effort to understand and confront the existing ideas, as well as be willing to have their own ideas confronted here. However, sees a need for a second place to propose ideas in a more free-form artistic manner, perhaps showcased somewhere else on Oni Central. These creations can be influenced by, and in turn influence, the storyline ideas on the forum. | |||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=26#post_4172 here] | |||
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| Still thinks that there is value in someone starting fresh in a new thread. Doesn't want to see current thread stop, though, as it seems to be successful so far. Perhaps we should discuss this kind of thing outside the actual Storyline thread. | |||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=26#post_4241 here] | |||
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| Agrees with Guido. Wiki makes a better place for a showcase than a "limited access" page on Oni Central. Points to Quotes page that he has created on wiki. Having read all the quotes anew, issues some quasi-retractions on the subjects of whether the increasing pollution was just in Hasegawa's imagination, whether Muro's plan was legitimate, and whether Mai's decision was logical. Questions whether Oni really takes place in 2032 since there are conflicting dates. Game mentions Freedom Riots of 2012 but manual says WCG wasn't formed until after January 2032 [is this necessarily a conflict?]. Reviews main ideas generated to date. Pandora and her optimism for the Daodan vs. Mai's skepticism. The alienation caused by the Daodan and whether there is a grand design behind it, and whether it can be communicated with. Daodan process, and Meta's rule, try to make things perfect, but the message of Oni 2 will be wabi-sabi-esque: that our beauty and strength lie in our imperfection. Outlines interaction between Mai and Hikari, who is the embodiment of the resurrected Shinatama. "Hacker boy" who works for Hikari may become torn between a distant AI that gives him orders and his "enemy" Mai, who is still partially human. Perhaps Dr. Edward(s) is hacker boy's granddad. "Collective storytelling has its problems [but] having story elements, and especially points of view and interpretations contributed by many individuals is a definite plus". Pluralistic storytelling is "much closer" to how animé and good sci-fi tells stories, leaving some things for the audience to think about. A sophisticated game could even allow Mai to die, and have the player continue with another character such as Hikari or Pandora or Big. That may be over-ambitious for a video game, but maybe a gamebook is a better idea. Points to gamebook on another wiki which is about Oni and has Guido listed as artist: "What the hell is this?" [whatever it is, it's deleted now]. | |||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=26#post_4412 here] | |||
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| Points to new content on wiki such as Barabas article. Links to thread by Loser on Oni Name Translations. Quotes post by Loser relating the Sturm und Drang literature movement to Oni. Questions whether relationship between Daodan and host is symbiosis or parasitism. If the Daodan gives everything to the host, then isn't it the opposite of a parasite? A "metasite"? | |||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=26#post_4435 here] | |||
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| Wonders if part of the Syndicate's mission wasn't to grant the people more freedom than under the WCG, although the Syndicate would in fact be the ones in charge then. Perhaps they would have become worse than the WCG after all. Bacteria can evolve rapidly when threatened. Where did Hasegawa get the first Chrysalis? | |||
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| Didn't Hasegawa create the Chrysalis? | |||
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| Muro was hardly benevolent: "Join me, or die like all the others". Vaguely discusses possibility that Daodan came from "out of Earth's phase" as the Screamers do [and, he suggests, Mukade's Devil Star]. Either they found Hasegawa or he found them. Or maybe Mukade found the Devil Star. Maybe Hasegawa and Mukade are one and the same, or maybe Mukade absorbed Hasegawa at some point; maybe they're totally separate. For now, it's best to leave these things ambiguous; "what counts about the Daodan is the power and the alienation: doesn't really matter whether those come 'from within' [...] or 'from without'". Wants to keep exploring ideas before settling on final answers for these things. Explains how Oni Galore could be used as a place for the gamebook. | |||
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