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 | Muro was hardly benevolent: "Join me, or die like all the others". Vaguely discusses possibility that Daodan came from "out of Earth's phase" as the Screamers do [and, he suggests, Mukade's Devil Star]. Either they found Hasegawa or he found them. Or maybe Mukade found the Devil Star. Maybe Hasegawa and Mukade are one and the same, or maybe Mukade absorbed Hasegawa at some point; maybe they're totally separate. For now, it's best to leave these things ambiguous; "what counts about the Daodan is the power and the alienation: doesn't really matter whether those come 'from within' [...] or 'from without'". Wants to keep exploring ideas before settling on final answers for these things. Explains how Oni Galore could be used as a place for the gamebook.
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+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=27#post_4572 here]
+| Laughing_Man_Ra
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+| [Apparently this is somewhat of a continuation of Laughing_Man_Ra's thoughts from another thread, the link to which is broken, on his ideas for the story that occurs before the beginning of Oni.] The Syndicate at the time is similar to the Mafia, organized by competing families, with a few families more prominent than the rest. Member of a head family is approached by Hasegawa and Kerr looking for financing to develop the Daodan, which will allow people to survive outside the Cities. They expect the Syndicate will only want patent rights in exchange. Then, it becomes apparent that the Daodan will do much more than make people pollution-resistant. Hasegawa and Kerr are unwilling to test the Chrysalises by implanting them. When the Syndicate family sees the applications of this powerful technology, they move in on the lab. Kerr escapes with Mai, and Hasegawa is forced to implant a Chrysalis in Muro as a test.
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+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=27#post_4907 here]
+| geyser
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+| [geyser is now replying to Laughing_Man_Ra's posts from another thread, and even with some quoting going on, it's as hard to understand as one side of a phone conversation, so I've left out most of this.] Agrees that it would be impossible to govern a society of Daodan hosts.
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+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=27#post_4908 here]
+| Laughing_Man_Ra
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+| Konoko being able to catch up to Mukade doesn't mean he was planning something, it was "merely indicative of her exceptional abilities".
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+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=27#post_4910 here]
+| geyser
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+| Then why was Mukade waiting for her before proceeding? Mai just told herself what she needed to believe, that it was because she was good at tracking him. Asserts in passing that Mukade is a telepath.
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+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=27#post_4912 here]
+| Laughing_Man_Ra
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+| "I think the scenes where you almost catch up to Mukade are mostly there to build dramatic tension. It's more exciting to be right on the heels of the enemy, isn't it?" But perhaps Mukade was playing mind games with her. How do we know he's a telepath?
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+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=27#post_4925 here]
+| geyser
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+| "There is a visceral telepathic connection between him and Mai." Konoko is not "on his heels"; he waits for her before continuing to run; he's familiar with the rooftops and could easily have lost her if he wanted to. The stolen disc is his bait. Since Muro would not approve of these actions, let's say he doesn't work for Muro.
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+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=27#post_4933 here]
+| Laughing_Man_Ra
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+| Only sees Mukade in motion when he plays. Knows that Daodan hosts can sense each other, but doesn't consider them to be telepathic, capable of communicating sentences mentally. Hasegawa must have stopped cooperating with the Syndicate, based on the disfigured appearance of Barabas (and Mukade too, under that mask?). They turned out weaker than Muro and Mai, too. And why hasn't the Syndicate made a whole squad of Daodan Elites yet? Because they can't get the process quite right yet. Or perhaps they realized that they couldn't control a group of Daodan hosts, but then why would they go with the Sturmanderung scheme? Or maybe Barabas and Mukade are the result of another experiment altogether, in "hyperevolution".
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+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=27#post_4951 here]
+| geyser
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+| Points to Muro in Airport level as analogue to Mukade on Rooftops; he allows Konoko to keep up with him, he throws bad guys at her that he knows she can beat, and his comm guy is monitoring her the whole time. Somehow they then disable the tracker she put on the plane while in mid-air; perhaps it was Griffin's idea, to "avoid exposing Mai to prolonged stress... or a way for the TCTF to avoid too big an operation deep inside enemy territory." Lists four places you can spot Mukade, at least one of which has him standing still and watching Konoko before running off. Lists Konoko's lines of dialogue, including the cut ones; although Mukade seems "frustrated", that's only Mai's impression, and it might have nothing to do with her. Since he can teleport, there should be no reason he can't escape if he really wants to. Mukade drops the disc in a way that seems staged, and thinks it odd that Konoko suddenly decides she doesn't want answers when she meets Mukade, and also how in the previous level Konoko said the data was about 'her life', yet later she merely calls it 'her father's file'. She was only given what Mukade wanted her to know; perhaps he manipulated her mentally so that she wouldn't notice the switch. Reiterates that we don't have any evidence of Mukade being deformed; all ninjas cover themselves up.
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+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=27#post_4952 here]
+| geyser
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+| Doesn't think that Muro gave much thought to whether a society of Daodan hosts could be contained. He wasn't really thinking for himself, either -- "I've accomplished everything our father dreamed of doing." Either Muro ignores the ethical ramifications that became clear later, or else he is following something that he was told his father dreamed of doing. Isn't sure why Laughing_Man_Ra separates Daodan implantation from "hyperevolution". Barabas was definitely a Daodan product; he looks similar to Imago Muro, like he was an attempt at containing Mutant Barabas. Disagrees with idea that Hasegawa is no longer providing support for the Syndicate; "I only have evidence to the contrary". Rejects assertion that Mai and Muro were clearly superior Daodan hosts to Barabas and Mukade. Barabas was at least controlled, unlike Muro, and Mukade could have been even stronger than Mai and chose not to win. Questions why Muro would be okay with Mukade working under him, as such a powerful Daodan host with his own ninja corps [suggesting that they were operating independently]. Reason for lack of Daodan Elites is that the Daodan process has to be kept a secret until Sturmanderung goes into effect. One console tells us that Muro had indeed selected Daodan candidates, so that was certainly in the works. In fact, the console says that "Symbiote candidate selection and implantation" is complete; perhaps the ninjas were subjected to some minor Daodan tweaks. Doesn't think it would be hard to end up working for the Syndicate; it was probably just a matter of telling them about their work on a "resilience patch". And anything that the WCG branded illegal would make money for the Syndicate. Doesn't see the Syndicate being like the Mafia at all; a console specifically paints the Syndicate as outsmarting the Mafia through high-tech business. They are probably less like competing mafiosos and more like a legitimate corporation with a board of directors. Internecine violence would not be permitted by this "Council". Doubts that Hasegawa had such a rough treatment in the Syndicate; Muro became its leader, so his dad would have been protected; if any harm did come to him, then perhaps that's what led to Muro's takeover of the organization.
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+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=27#post_5014 here]
+| Laughing_Man_Ra
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+| Used Mafia as reference because he wanted some level of organization but also thought that in-fighting would only be natural, and also more interesting for the player. One faction might raid another's warehouses disguised as the TCTF, etc. References Dune's Atreides-Harkonnen conflict. Thinks that Hasegawa's and Kerr's grief over Jamie would have led them to pursue their research too far before realizing its dangers. If TCTF was behind that lost tracker signal, it wasn't Griffin's doing; he's plenty ticked in that "Mission Complete" splashscreen. Points to console that says Griffin is under investigation as evidence that he might be doing too good a job at kicking Syndie butt. Clarifies that he doesn't see Mukade sending intentional psychic messages to Mai to "come get me", but something more like how insects send out pheromones automatically. Doesn't think it's a good idea to take everything in a game as meaningful; we need to acknowledge that sometimes a game is just a game. Why doesn't Griffin put one of Shinatama's consoles behind his force field in the Omega Vault? Because he's secretly rooting for Konoko, or because a game with an unbeatable boss is no fun?
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