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| Used Mafia as reference because he wanted some level of organization but also thought that in-fighting would only be natural, and also more interesting for the player. One faction might raid another's warehouses disguised as the TCTF, etc. References Dune's Atreides-Harkonnen conflict. Thinks that Hasegawa's and Kerr's grief over Jamie would have led them to pursue their research too far before realizing its dangers. If TCTF was behind that lost tracker signal, it wasn't Griffin's doing; he's plenty ticked in that "Mission Complete" splashscreen. Points to console that says Griffin is under investigation as evidence that he might be doing too good a job at kicking Syndie butt. Clarifies that he doesn't see Mukade sending intentional psychic messages to Mai to "come get me", but something more like how insects send out pheromones automatically. Doesn't think it's a good idea to take everything in a game as meaningful; we need to acknowledge that sometimes a game is just a game. Why doesn't Griffin put one of Shinatama's consoles behind his force field in the Omega Vault? Because he's secretly rooting for Konoko, or because a game with an unbeatable boss is no fun? | | Used Mafia as reference because he wanted some level of organization but also thought that in-fighting would only be natural, and also more interesting for the player. One faction might raid another's warehouses disguised as the TCTF, etc. References Dune's Atreides-Harkonnen conflict. Thinks that Hasegawa's and Kerr's grief over Jamie would have led them to pursue their research too far before realizing its dangers. If TCTF was behind that lost tracker signal, it wasn't Griffin's doing; he's plenty ticked in that "Mission Complete" splashscreen. Points to console that says Griffin is under investigation as evidence that he might be doing too good a job at kicking Syndie butt. Clarifies that he doesn't see Mukade sending intentional psychic messages to Mai to "come get me", but something more like how insects send out pheromones automatically. Doesn't think it's a good idea to take everything in a game as meaningful; we need to acknowledge that sometimes a game is just a game. Why doesn't Griffin put one of Shinatama's consoles behind his force field in the Omega Vault? Because he's secretly rooting for Konoko, or because a game with an unbeatable boss is no fun? | ||
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| Points out numerous flaws in a Mafia-like Syndicate; points to description of Syndicate as a worldwide paramilitary force, which requires strict organization. They are also faceless to the WCG, unlike Mafias with their dons and capos. Some violence might be interesting, but it could take the form of enforcing the rules, "firing" people, and keeping lower-tier suppliers in line. Disagrees that Hasegawa was naive about the Daodan's abilities at the start; he was working on a global cure from the start, not just a cure for what killed Jamie. He came up with a "seed" process which would then act in an uncontrolled manner. So H&K as well as the Syndicate should have known that it could have other applications, like super-soldiers, right from the start. Why would Hasegawa have ever expected the Syndicate to restrain themselves, if that was the case? That's why he suggests that Hasegawa planned it from the beginning, or at least that H&K were working carefully. The idea of messing with humanity's very genetic makeup was too important to simply let them work blindly, led by emotion. | |||
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| The fact that Mukade waits for Konoko towards the end of the level, and his “cryptic tirade”, are evidence that he is indeed toying with her. Is well aware of the difference between game bugs and intentional elements; has only dwelled on the things that you are “supposed to see” while playing. But reading into things can be considered “adding value”. But even things that seem unintentional on the part of Bungie don’t have to be labeled as “just bugs”. Mukade can survive getting shot many times because he has a special shield (and why would Konoko shoot him with a grenade launcher when he has her disc?). Griffin doesn’t put one of the Zombie Shinatama consoles on his side of the force field because the consoles are part of the defense structure and there probably wasn’t time, nor did Griffin think that it could fail to stop Konoko. He wasn’t counting on Konoko reaching Shinatama’s heart [geyser doesn’t think that Konoko simply hacks the console, but that she is communicating with Shinatama]. That’s why Shinatama disconnects at the end and approaches Griffin. She may be bound by something like Asimov’s Three Laws, but she can circumvene unclear orders; also, someone disabled Griffin’s low-level overrides, as mentioned in a console. The investigation of Griffin could have a lot to do with his Daodan project. It’s true that Griffin is not reluctant to go after the Syndicate at times, but he also sends a tiny squad to “rescue” Shinatama, expecting them to fail. | |||
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| Shinatama didn’t stop when ordered because of the removal of those override codes [geyser then edited his post to include this answer]. | |||
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| Even if the overrides worked, Shinatama probably could have resisted his order, seeing as she had been falsifying data in the preceding days about Konoko’s Daodan. Muro must have wanted that disc because he didn’t have enough data on Konoko. After all, he kidnaps Shinatama and has his comguy take readings on Konoko at the Airport, so he must be trying to gauge her progress. Why didn’t Griffin remove the files at Regional State since he knew she was coming for them? | |||
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| Muro kidnapped Shinatama just to torture her; he’s a “capricious child”. Shinatama wouldn’t have had much data in her brain on Konoko anyway, that would be in Damocles. The data at Regional State would be useless to Muro; it’s old and only talks in general terms about Hasegawa’s work, which Muro already knows about. The only useful data on Konoko is on TCTF’s intranet, because that’s the only place the up-to-the-minute information is stored on her progress. He only took Shinatama from TCTF because he didn’t care about the data anyway; he is confident in his superior power. Either Muro had something else in mind when he sent Mukade for the Regional State data, or it wasn’t Muro’s order at all. Imagines added scene for TCTF during Syndicate’s attack where ''someone'' breaks into the Damocles room to tamper with Shinatama and gain information from her. | |||
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| Does geyser really think it was just about torture, and it was a coincidence that she was Konoko’s SLD? Even old data could be useful to Muro; he doesn’t know when Mai was even implanted, so any info is helpful. How does geyser know how much Shinatama knew, and what he learned from her? We only see the end of their discussion. | |||
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| It’s true that the kidnapping had the benefit of disrupting the monitoring of Konoko, but it was mainly just a short distraction for Muro. Muro is not curious about his sister. And perhaps Shinatama had a little information stored internally, but for the most part Damocles serves that function. Even if she knew some interesting facts, Muro would have to extract them orally, which would be a pain. If he cared about that, he would have taken data from the TCTF computers on Mai, but he’s overconfident and impulsive, so he didn’t. Doubts that the RSB files even talked about the Daodan directly. They weren’t highly classified, and they were under “light security”, so why would Muro even learn so much as an implantation date for Mai? Sees Mukade as an equal to Muro, so he can’t imagine the ninja working under him. Mukade being Daddy would help explain why Muro tolerates this situation. | |||
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| Perhaps Muro’s curiosity about Shinatama results from a preceding attempt to hack her, which fails because of her free will, and he wants to learn more. Perhaps the RSB data was not terribly useful, but something’s better than nothing if Muro wants to learn how close Konoko is to his own level. Muro is confident, but still curious about Konoko, which is why he collects data on her at Airport and by sending Barabas against her in Ch. 3 (when he apparently expects Barabas to lose). Geyser’s picture of Mukade is inconsistent: if he wanted to talk with Konoko, why is he so cryptic when they finally meet? Why bother burning, and dropping, a disc of data that isn’t that useful? He could have simply deleted important data in the archives. And, if Mukade is really stronger than Mai and Muro, why would he have been holding back in the fight? If he had no intent to kill her, he could have just escaped. Doubts that it’s significant that he can beat Mutant Muro, as the bosses are calibrated for fighting Konoko, not each other. | |||
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| How would they even attempt to interface with Shinatama at an ACC anyway? Muro was simply curious how she reacted to pain, because she differed from his Tankers. There’s no way Muro cared about any data on Mai because they ran right past the databanks at the TCTF HQ. Muro probably set up Barabas for that fight so he would learn his limitations. Mukade handles Mai that way on Rooftops because he needs to know how much she already knows and what she is ready to learn; he’s afraid to tell her everything if she can’t handle it because it might trigger a bad reaction in her unstable state, even kill her. If she’s not ready, he’ll drop the disc in a way that seems accidental, and the disc will lead her to Kerr, who can break the news about the Daodan to her gently. He has to stage things that way, even seeming to steal the data from RSB, in order for Mai not to question the provenance of the data. The data on the disc may in fact be totally different from, and more truthful than, the data that he deleted from the RSB. His one mistake is not playing dead, leading to his neck being snapped. Mai’s action, in turn, is due to the Daodan perceiving Mukade as a threat to her fragile mental state. The speech Mukade gave thus leads to this overreaction. | |||
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