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:Originally from '''Restless_Souls/Reconstruction/Global_development''' | |||
:Please translate this into English. Expand and cross-link appropriately. | :Please translate this into English. Expand and cross-link appropriately. | ||
:Allow for alternatives. Oh, and don't read too much into the manual ^_^ | :Allow for alternatives. Oh, and don't read too much into the manual ^_^ | ||
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:And the hasty points, ok, lets see: | :And the hasty points, ok, lets see: | ||
;We know from at least four sources (console reports, Fuji article, airport poster and Hasegawa's diary) that the smog (smog, really??? ''geyser'') | ;We know from at least four sources (console reports, Fuji article, airport poster and Hasegawa's diary) that the smog (smog, really??? ''geyser'') | ||
:Smog. Yes... We could say polluted air but that's what smog is, too. In Oni's case most of the population is concentrated in cities, and that is where smog gets [[ | :Smog. Yes... We could say polluted air but that's what smog is, too. In Oni's case most of the population is concentrated in cities, and that is where smog gets [[wp:Smog#Health_effects|''heavy'' and poisonous]]. Now I wonder if the quarantine zones aren't cleaner. ^_^ | ||
::;paradox-01 | ::;paradox-01 | ||
:When I read "smog", I inevitably think of Victorian London. Or Mexico. Or Beijing. Fumes blocking the daylight. | :When I read "smog", I inevitably think of Victorian London. Or Mexico. Or Beijing. Fumes blocking the daylight. | ||
:It is certainly tempting to see smog in Oni, but I'd make a difference between ''clean'' air and ''clear'' air. | :It is certainly tempting to see smog in Oni, but I'd make a difference between ''clean'' air and ''clear'' air. | ||
:The city air in Oni is definitely not ''clean'', at least not all the time, and the air's [[ | :The city air in Oni is definitely not ''clean'', at least not all the time, and the air's [[wikt:toxicity|toxicity]] is an issue. | ||
:It is, however, remarkably ''clear'', even though late autumn is not the best period to scan a modern city for smog. | :It is, however, remarkably ''clear'', even though late autumn is not the best period to scan a modern city for smog. | ||
:Note the presence of ''solar panels'' (of course they might make as little plotwise sense as other furniture). | :Note the presence of ''solar panels'' (of course they might make as little plotwise sense as other furniture). | ||
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::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 11:11, 10 October 2007 (CEST) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 11:11, 10 October 2007 (CEST) | ||
:The meaning of both informative consoles in {{C7}} starts and stops with Mai's interpretations. | :The meaning of both informative consoles in {{C7}} starts and stops with Mai's interpretations. | ||
:She read about the | :She read about the inversion process, and ''thought'' that's what Sturmanderung was about. | ||
:She also read the ACCs were being tested tier by tier, and used that knowledge to blow them up. | :She also read the ACCs were being tested tier by tier, and used that knowledge to blow them up. | ||
:Her intuition about Sturmanderung is "confirmed" by Muro's lines during their final encounter. | :Her intuition about Sturmanderung is "confirmed" by Muro's lines during their final encounter. | ||
:Still, ''any'' further assumptions are speculations, be it [[Oni2:Truth Number Zero|Truth Number Zero]] or [[ | :Still, ''any'' further assumptions are speculations, be it [[Oni2:Truth Number Zero|Truth Number Zero]] or [[Restless_Souls|your story]]. | ||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 11:11, 10 October 2007 (CEST) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 11:11, 10 October 2007 (CEST) | ||
;Of course "we don't know that for sure", but with the upcoming global catastrophe (who can see it coming??? ''geyser'') | ;Of course "we don't know that for sure", but with the upcoming global catastrophe (who can see it coming??? ''geyser'') | ||
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;wow, are you reading Wikipedia upside down??? | ;wow, are you reading Wikipedia upside down??? | ||
:Maybe I just picked the right ones - and yes: the German wiki is smaller. Take a look [ | :Maybe I just picked the right ones - and yes: the German wiki is smaller. Take a look [[wp:de:Neue_Weltordnung_(Verschwörungstheorie)|HERE]] | ||
::;paradox-01 | ::;paradox-01 | ||
:Erm. Pax Americana is not really a conspiracy theory to me (then again, I'm a certified conspiracy theorist, so never mind ''me''). | :Erm. Pax Americana is not really a conspiracy theory to me (then again, I'm a certified conspiracy theorist, so never mind ''me''). | ||
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;Present | ;Present | ||
:We know from at least four sources (console reports, [[Talk:Hasegawa|Fuji article]], airport poster and Hasegawa's diary) that polluted air and/or quarantined zones had existed before the Big Bang (abnormal [[STURMANDERUNG]] pulse set off by Mai). The causes and direct consequences aren't mentioned. We can speculate that the citizens are often required to wear "[[:Image: | :We know from at least four sources (console reports, [[Talk:Hasegawa|Fuji article]], airport poster and Hasegawa's diary) that polluted air and/or quarantined zones had existed before the Big Bang (abnormal [[STURMANDERUNG]] pulse set off by Mai). The causes and direct consequences aren't mentioned. We can speculate that the citizens are often required to wear "[[:Image:TXMPPOSTER1.png|HAPEMASK]]" [[wp:Respirator|respirators]] as protection against airborne pollutants and that the natural environment is contaminated with [[wikt:virulent|virulent]] pathogens (toxins/bacteria/viruses). | ||
:152ppm was the last measured [[ | :152ppm was the last measured [[wp:Dioxin|dioxin]] level in the [[Quotes/Consoles/level_19c|Sturmanderung report]]; after the Big Bang the pollution and their symptoms will be much more and stronger. | ||
:According to an [[ACC]] report "Class 4 airborne toxins" can arise when inverting the cleaning process. Whatever this means isn't clear - at least, Konoko talked about "The dead and the dying now line the streets" in the outro, so the effect must be enormous. | :According to an [[ACC]] report "Class 4 airborne toxins" can arise when inverting the cleaning process. Whatever this means isn't clear - at least, Konoko talked about "The dead and the dying now line the streets" in the outro, so the effect must be enormous. | ||
;Past | ;Past | ||
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:The manual states that the government is only interested in a "centralization of wealth", hence in a "concentrated population" ("pull" factor), and a polluted environment was helpful in that respect (as a "push factor"). I think this was only made possible by a war - the WCG foundation war (an exceptional "pull" factor). | :The manual states that the government is only interested in a "centralization of wealth", hence in a "concentrated population" ("pull" factor), and a polluted environment was helpful in that respect (as a "push factor"). I think this was only made possible by a war - the WCG foundation war (an exceptional "pull" factor). | ||
:Parallel quotes (possibly applicable to the genesis of [[Oni2:META|META]]) are „If the truth were told, it was all about the money“ and „techno-phobia“. | :Parallel quotes (possibly applicable to the genesis of [[Oni2:META|META]]) are „If the truth were told, it was all about the money“ and „techno-phobia“. | ||
:Hence the thesis | :Hence the thesis that it's the economy that runs the government, not the other way round. | ||
:(NEW: which would have [[Oni2:META|META]] say "vote us in and we'll do it better"...) | :(NEW: which would have [[Oni2:META|META]] say "vote us in and we'll do it better"...) | ||
:(See also paragraph "New World Order" below) | :(See also paragraph "New World Order" below) | ||
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:After browsing Wikipedia a lot on those two aspects the statements in the material I found kept drifting in the direction of conspiracy theories. I'd like to stay away from that. Oni eigenes Material und dazugehörige Interpretationen sowie vereinzelte Fakten (z.B. aus Arte’s Themenabend: Why We Fight) sollen hierfür genügen. | :After browsing Wikipedia a lot on those two aspects the statements in the material I found kept drifting in the direction of conspiracy theories. I'd like to stay away from that. Oni eigenes Material und dazugehörige Interpretationen sowie vereinzelte Fakten (z.B. aus Arte’s Themenabend: Why We Fight) sollen hierfür genügen. | ||
:So I decided to concentrate on using Oni's own material and directly relevant interpretations, as well as isolated facts (e.g., "why we fight" and "Söldner - ein Beruf mit Zukunft", documentaries from Arte's Theme Night). | :So I decided to concentrate on using Oni's own material and directly relevant interpretations, as well as isolated facts (e.g., "why we fight" and "Söldner - ein Beruf mit Zukunft", documentaries from Arte's Theme Night). | ||
:(NEW: The interpretation and final use is a different story but I will also try my best not to overdo it. | :(NEW: The interpretation and final use is a different story but I will also try my best not to overdo it. :) | ||
:(wow, are you reading Wikipedia upside down??? [[User:Geyser|geyser]]) (or maybe the German Wikipedia is much less encyclopedical than the English one??? [[User:Geyser|geyser]]) | :(wow, are you reading Wikipedia upside down??? [[User:Geyser|geyser]]) (or maybe the German Wikipedia is much less encyclopedical than the English one??? [[User:Geyser|geyser]]) | ||
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::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 03:44, 4 October 2007 (CEST) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 03:44, 4 October 2007 (CEST) | ||
:On a side note: fewer people means less pollution, ultimately. Regeneration (like in [[Nausicaa]] or [[Ergo Proxy]]). | :On a side note: fewer people means less pollution, ultimately. Regeneration (like in [[Nausicaa]] or [[Ergo Proxy]]). | ||
:However, if survivors concentrate, there's a risk of overpollution in the immediate vicinity (sorta like [[Ecoban]]). | :However, if survivors concentrate, there's a risk of overpollution in the immediate vicinity (sorta like [[Wonderful Days|Ecoban]]). | ||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 03:51, 4 October 2007 (CEST) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 03:51, 4 October 2007 (CEST) | ||
:Oh, note that I've made the console quotes conveniently transcludable. May add a few features later. | :Oh, note that I've made the console quotes conveniently transcludable. May add a few features later. | ||
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:Whether it's a formal agreement or, more likely, a bloody coup, it will generate stability. | :Whether it's a formal agreement or, more likely, a bloody coup, it will generate stability. | ||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 20:35, 18 November 2007 (CET) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 20:35, 18 November 2007 (CET) | ||
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