Jump to content

Restless Souls/Technology: Difference between revisions

m
I see, Pandora's Box was about producing implantable DCs
mNo edit summary
m (I see, Pandora's Box was about producing implantable DCs)
Line 51: Line 51:
It can be argued that these prototypes were meant for [[wikipedia:In_vitro|in vitro experiments]], not in vivo.
It can be argued that these prototypes were meant for [[wikipedia:In_vitro|in vitro experiments]], not in vivo.


:If I remember correctly the following bit has already been presented somewhere on the forums or Oni Galore. Namely that an ''in vitro Daodan'' could be carried inside a box for medical usage. Furthermore it could be like this: You could expose it to doses of negative stimuli such as toxins and grow adapted tissue or organs. Before transplanting the daodanized cells, their ability to adapt and hyperregenerate would be turned off. Then it would be like bioprinting (a.k.a. [[wikipedia:Tissue_engineering|tissue engineering]]) with normal cells.
: If the Daodan project was intended as tool to cure human cells in glass tubes, minimization could lead to portable devices used in cases of emergency.


:However, the question remains why Konoko's and Muro's DNA was taken for the prototypes.
: Probably you would insert a few cells to daodanize and replicate them. Expose it afterwards to doses of negative stimuli such as toxins and grow adapted tissue or organs. Before transplanting the daodanized cells, their ability to adapt and hyperregenerate would be turned off. Then it would be like bioprinting (a.k.a. [[wikipedia:Tissue_engineering|tissue engineering]]) with normal cells.
 
: However, the question remains why Konoko's and Muro's DNA was taken for the prototypes.


:* During life, mutations accumulate inside the genetic and epigenetic code. The codes of children is less mutated, hence need less repair, also the telomeres are longer.
:* During life, mutations accumulate inside the genetic and epigenetic code. The codes of children is less mutated, hence need less repair, also the telomeres are longer.
Line 59: Line 61:
:* If Hasegawa and Kerr repetitively needs new samples they would have Muro and Mai as source without asking anyone else from the outside.
:* If Hasegawa and Kerr repetitively needs new samples they would have Muro and Mai as source without asking anyone else from the outside.


:Although there are points to backup an "in vitro" scenario, the WCG could easily spread doubts about such a Daodan in public.
:Although there are points to backup an "in vitro" scenario, the WCG could easily spread doubts about such a Daodan to an audience which lacks the technical background which would be pretty much everyone.




Line 68: Line 70:
A "Box-Daodan" could never get influenced by someone's personality.
A "Box-Daodan" could never get influenced by someone's personality.


If a hand or foot gets heavily wounded, the flesh and bones might regenerate but the extremity loses it functionality, it cripples.
If a human hand or foot gets heavily wounded, after regeneration it might be crippled. While Axolotl salamanders are much better in restoring their extremities, they can't regenerate everything. Only more primitive lifeforms can fully regenerate from portions of their body as [[wikipedia:Planarian|Planarians]] do.


For an accurate regeneration the Daodan needs an own ''self-awareness'', mainly a genetic and anatomic model of itself, as already written in the [[#Explanation attempt of the biological dimension|explanation attempt]] section. The processing cell organelles in neurons open a little door so that the Doadan can get influenced. This might be the reason for Kerr's "wishful thinking".
So for an accurate regeneration of the complex human body the Daodan needs an own ''self-awareness'', mainly a genetic and anatomic model of itself, as already written in the [[#Explanation attempt of the biological dimension|explanation attempt]] section. The processing cell organelles in neurons open a little door so that the Doadan can get influenced. This might be the reason for Kerr's "wishful thinking".


The only way Hasegawa and Kerr could have discovered this possible side effect, is an entire brain simulation with Daodan cells.
The only way Hasegawa and Kerr could have discovered this possible side effect, is an entire brain simulation with Daodan cells.


A complete brain simulation seems less necessary if they were just aiming for an ''in vitro Daodan''.
But why should they have done that? A complete brain simulation seems less necessary if they were just aiming for an ''in vitro Daodan''.


This way, Kerr's saying "We had never intended to implant those Chrysalises" sounds somewhat fishy.
Speaking of injuries, also the brain can get injured and these can not only be life threatening but also alter the way someone feel, remember and think. Kerr and Co. could have run simulations to see how well the tissues grow together again. In doing so they might have accidentally discovered circumstances where the neuronal activities led to novel interactions with the Daodan organelles.




8,452

edits