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If you have any idea, or you think you can handle it, you have my blessing, of course. | If you have any idea, or you think you can handle it, you have my blessing, of course. | ||
::[[User:Guido|guido]] 21:34, 29 November 2006 (CET) | ::[[User:Guido|guido]] 21:34, 29 November 2006 (CET) | ||
:Indeed. This is no single, linear progression of events : it's ''all connected''. | |||
:But actually, I think there doesn't ''have'' to be a "framework-page" at all... | |||
:About the double entry matrix : it's not as nice as a flowchart and wastes a lot of space. | |||
:Just as a graph, it is likely to get unreadable past a hundred nodes or so. | |||
:I'd say there's nothing wrong with nodes just linking to each other : no overview. | |||
::(that's how gamebooks work, after all : every page is a "local graph" of sorts) | |||
:Additionally, I think an up-to-date semi-automatic index page of existing nodes will do fine. | |||
::(with descriptions and non-trivial link information transcluded from the nodes themselves) | |||
:I may have to experiment a bit more with hoverbox captions and even graphs | |||
::(if GraphViz produces nice-looking diagrams with default settings, why not?) | |||
:If you're really bothered about the lack of flowchart support right now, | |||
::I can have GraphViz installed. Do you want it? I'm not sure it'd be much more than a toy... | |||
:We ''could'' render flowcharts of whole stories (large, messy graphs), or regions (vicinities of certain nodes). | |||
:That would be a lot of work for no big benefit, though, keeping those graphs up-to-date... | |||
:There's a good chance the graphs will end up unreadable pretty soon, though (I'm repeating myself). | |||
:I'm glad to have "your blessing, of course", of course. ^^ | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:59, 30 November 2006 (CET) | |||
:Oh, and there doesn't have to be a ''single'' storyline out there. | |||
:Conflicting entities, contradictory events. Sequels, prequels, paraquels, whatnot. | |||
:Definitely, no matrix can do the job properly. No global graph, either. | |||
:Every story is best outlined in a textual way. | |||
:Every link of a fancy graph can take the form of a sentence or paragraph, | |||
::that will be more informative and less ambiguous than a flowchart. | |||
:Yeah, something like storylines-in-progress. | |||
:Not sure what we'll call them (tree pages?) but they'll definitely do the trick. | |||
:Bottom line : screw flowcharts; plain-text "framework page" | |||
:And that's it, off to sleep. | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:59, 30 November 2006 (CET) | |||
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:On second thought, about those roughs (mostly those of Kon's face) | :On second thought, about those roughs (mostly those of Kon's face) | ||
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I am the first one who should complain about my drawings. I am disappointed by what I manage to do these days. | I am the first one who should complain about my drawings. I am disappointed by what I manage to do these days. | ||
I lack the time, the concentration, and the sharp eye I | I lack the time, the concentration, and the sharp eye I used to have only half a year ago. Even when I find the time, all I get is just a fuzzy mess of sketches: each of them is just a clumsy reflection of what I've been aiming at. There has always been a gap between my hand and my imagination: today it seems larger than ever. It does not depend on the subject I am focusing on, it has to do with a personal state. I hope I will find a way through it. Sadly there's no one who can show it up to me. | ||
::[[User:Guido|guido]] 21:32 29 November 2006 (CET) | ::[[User:Guido|guido]] 21:32 29 November 2006 (CET) | ||
:Take your time, man. And try using the eraser more ^^ << ACTUAL ADVICE | |||
:Or listen to something else than NIN for a change ^^ << STUPID JOKE!!! | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:59, 30 November 2006 (CET) | |||
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::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 17:14, 27 November 2006 (CET) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 17:14, 27 November 2006 (CET) | ||
I feel sick, I feel depressed, I hate all I do. and all I know to do in such times is to be self-destructive. | :I feel sick, I feel depressed, I hate all I do. and all I know to do in such times is to be self-destructive. | ||
Apart from that, I got no comments. and noticed how the access counter has been idle for long, too long. | :Apart from that, I got no comments. and noticed how the access counter has been idle for long, too long. | ||
Anyway I am not going to close the oni2blog for a while (a couple of | :Anyway I am not going to close the oni2blog for a while (a couple of months at least). In any case I am intended to find a substitute for it. | ||
:Maybe it is time to reconsider the idea of getting an Oni2.net account... | |||
Maybe it is time to reconsider the | |||
::[[User:Guido|guido]] 21:17 29 November 2006 (CET) | ::[[User:Guido|guido]] 21:17 29 November 2006 (CET) | ||
:Welcome to the "disgustipation" club. This is what you get when you "get creative"... | |||
:(I used to have bipolar disorder a lot, and as you know I wouldn't call myself "cured") | |||
:On the subject of self-desctruction, late reply to you : | |||
::if earth has become an evil place because of people, and we cannot escape it, what can we do? | |||
::If we are confined in a place for all our life, and everything is getting worse, what shall we do? | |||
:Quoting Seal, "no we're never gonna survive, unless we get a little crazy"... ''So'' true. | |||
:Those for whom REM sleep is not enough ''have'' to freak out in a way or another to "deal" with reality. | |||
:Practically, there are people who take chemicals and go to shrinks, and those who ought to. Like me. ^^ | |||
:And then your only hope is to be your own shrink, to take some distance with respect to your craze. | |||
:That's when you have a chance to come up with a "way through" that doesn't destroy you completely. | |||
::(I didn't realize you were quoting Reznor, not Frost, with that sig of yours...) | |||
:Nice work, Guido. This is becoming an agony column. Or group therapy. Or something... | |||
:You're always welcome on oni2.net. Alloc's contact info is on the main page of the server. | |||
:Hope that helps. Expect a mail either before, during, or after this weekend ^^ | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:59, 30 November 2006 (CET) | |||
:Oh, BTW : seen [[No one lives forever#Killer quote|THIS]]? | |||
::"Well, admitting you have a problem is the first step, I suppose. - I like to think so." | |||
:Rather fitting to the private hells of a few people I know... | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:59, 30 November 2006 (CET) |