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:I'd clearly separate focused adaptations (relatively close to the original) | :I'd clearly separate focused adaptations (relatively close to the original) | ||
::from radically "alternative" brainstorming ("what if?"s and "how to?"s). | ::from radically "alternative" brainstorming ("what if?"s and "how to?"s). | ||
: | :On one hand, there can be an intense collaboration on consensual episodes. | ||
:On the other, there can be a long-term relexion on parts with more "friction". | |||
:(possible friction between creators, I mean) | |||
:Definitely, I'd not rush head first past consensus and into friction ^^ | |||
:(I've been there before) | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET) | ||
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==English adaptation== | ==English adaptation== | ||
*[[User talk:Tracker/Projekt 257/Kapitel 1|Chapter 1]] | *[[User talk:Tracker/Projekt 257/Kapitel 1|Chapter 1]] | ||
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==Random thoughts== | ==Random thoughts== | ||
Not clearly impressions or "improvement" tips. Sometimes just loose associations. | |||
===Carmen=== | ===Carmen=== | ||
====Cortana VS Gunman Chronicles==== | ====Cortana VS Gunman Chronicles==== | ||
:Obviously reminiscent of Cortana at the start of the story: however, she's no one's guardian angel. | :Obviously reminiscent of Cortana at the start of the story: however, she's no one's guardian angel. | ||
:There was a Carmen-like female AI in [ | :There was a Carmen-like female AI in [[wikipedia:Gunman_Chronicles|Gunman Chronicles]]. | ||
::Likewise "in charge" of a huge base. Likewise more than a bit confused when things go wrong, and people start to die. | ::Likewise "in charge" of a huge base. Likewise more than a bit confused when things go wrong, and people start to die (by her hand). | ||
::She is your enemy at first, and then becomes your ally when you defeat her: | ::She is your enemy at first, and then becomes your ally when you defeat her: you force her to abandon her collapsing infrastructure. | ||
::From then on, you carry | ::From then on, you carry her around as a small module: she's a personal hacker/advisor then, very much like Cortana. | ||
::Towards the end of the game, she gets a physical body (first a "female robot", then a huge battle mecha). | ::Towards the end of the game, she gets herself a physical body (first a "female robot", then a huge battle mecha). | ||
:(Disclaimer: I never played Halo, but I played and enjoyed Gunman Chronicles: varied, challenging) | :(Disclaimer: I never played Halo, but I played and enjoyed Gunman Chronicles: varied, challenging, fun) | ||
:(there are raptors there, BTW) (raptors on one planet, mechas on another, cyborgs on both) (hehe) | :(there are raptors there, BTW) (raptors on one planet, mechas on another, cyborgs on both) (hehe) | ||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET) | ||
===Zoo=== | ===Zoo=== | ||
:Reminder: the original Zoo is populated by: | :Reminder: the original Zoo is populated by: | ||
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:*Piranhas | :*Piranhas | ||
:*Raptors | :*Raptors | ||
:That's a rather limited bestiary/ecosystem. | :That's a rather limited bestiary/ecosystem... | ||
:E.g., it is not clear what everyday life in the Zoo would be like, if it wasn't for intruders (Eve & Emily, Jackson's team). | :E.g., it is not clear what everyday life in the Zoo would be like, if it wasn't for intruders (Eve & Emily, Jackson's team). | ||
:I.e., does Anderson feed them all separately, and if not, what do they all eat? Surely not | :I.e., does Anderson feed them all separately, and if not, what do they all eat? Surely they're not ''all'' cannibals? | ||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET) | ||
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:On the other hand, the Zoo can give Eve vivid nightmares ''a posteriori''. A "Return to the Zoo" of sorts. | :On the other hand, the Zoo can give Eve vivid nightmares ''a posteriori''. A "Return to the Zoo" of sorts. | ||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET) | ||
:I second the | :I "second the second idea", too. The Zoo concept gave me the same ''a priori'' impression. | ||
: | :Clones/mutants/chimeras don't have to be as perfectly "sensible" as Cora and Lazarus (catwoman, wolfman). | ||
:Cross-breeding animals (or plants) | :Cross-breeding animals (or plants) is almost guaranteed to give you a lot of ''true'' monsters. ''Real'' ugly ones. | ||
:Heck, you don't even need ''fiction''... Ever heard of [ | :Heck, you don't even need ''fiction''... Ever heard of [[wikipedia:Teratology|teratology]]? Talk about creepy... | ||
:"Deform things, brainless masses of muscles and living tumors"... exactly. Raptor food galore ^^ | :"Deform things, brainless masses of muscles and living tumors"... exactly. Raptor food galore ^^ | ||
:And even sentient forms can be very unfamiliar and/or awkward. | :So yes, "experiments gone wrong". And even sentient forms can be very unfamiliar and/or awkward. | ||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET) | ||
====Examples of creepy mutants==== | |||
====Examples of creepy mutants and such==== | |||
Disclaimer: haven't played either game yet. May buy SE:E soon (for several reasons). | Disclaimer: haven't played either game yet. May buy SE:E soon (for several reasons). | ||
=====SiN Episodes: Emergence===== | =====SiN Episodes: Emergence===== | ||
; | ;NPC Mutant Heads | ||
: | :[https://web.archive.org/web/20060621121053/http://www.ritualistic.com/screens.php/sineps/SiN+Episodes+Concept+Art/1/concepts/concept_050827_05.jpg now ''that'' is what I call ugly...] | ||
;Boss | ;Vaguely Humanoid Mutant | ||
: | :[https://web.archive.org/web/20060912145157/http://www.ritualistic.com/screens.php/sineps/Sin+Episodes+Screenshots/7/thumbs/050711_08.jpg in group] | ||
:[https://web.archive.org/web/20060720083107/http://www.ritualistic.com/screens.php/sineps/Sin+Episodes+Screenshots/7/thumbs/050711_07.jpg on its own] | |||
;Big Bad Boss | |||
:[https://web.archive.org/web/20070102212904/http://www.ritualistic.com/screens.php/sineps/Sin+Episodes+Screenshots/1/thumbs/060511_02.jpg far away] | |||
:[<nowiki>http://www.sinepisodes.com/gallery.php/ep1/sotd/5/thumbs/060425_02.jpg</nowiki> up close] [dead link] | |||
=====Hellgate:London===== | =====Hellgate:London===== | ||
;Stalkers (raptor | ;Stalkers (raptor revisited) | ||
: | :[<nowiki>http://hellgate.suewebik.net/pages/demoni/stalker.php</nowiki> (czech site)] [dead link] | ||
;Grotesque ( | ;Grotesque (that one ''really'' has gone wrong...) | ||
: | :[<nowiki>http://hellgate.suewebik.net/pages/demoni/grotesque--skupina.php</nowiki> (czech site too)] [dead link] | ||
;Etc | ;Etc... | ||
===Cora=== | ===Cora=== | ||
:Catwoman is an obvious reference (Michelle Pfeiffer rather than Halle Berry for me) | :Catwoman is an obvious reference (Michelle Pfeiffer rather than Halle Berry for me) | ||
:Also (maybe not ''too'' relevant) here are pics of the Cabalist from Hellgate:London : | :Also (maybe not ''too'' relevant) here are pics of the Cabalist from Hellgate:London : | ||
:*[http:// | :*[<nowiki>http://media.pc.ign.com/media/737/737992/img_4153656.html</nowiki> ON HER OWN] [dead link] | ||
:*[http:// | :*[<nowiki>http://media.pc.ign.com/media/737/737992/img_4153654.html</nowiki> WITH FRIENDS] [dead link] | ||
:(she's supposed to be "good" but she's playing with fire and can thus join the "dark side" (2nd pic)) | :(she's supposed to be "good" but she's playing with fire and can thus join the "dark side" (2nd pic)) | ||
:(note the padded garnments (reminiscent of Barabas's) and the different aspect of the skin in the 2 pics) | :(note the padded garnments (reminiscent of Barabas's) and the different aspect of the skin in the 2 pics) | ||
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:Can Cora and Carmen merge? In Eve's nightmares, they certainly can. | :Can Cora and Carmen merge? In Eve's nightmares, they certainly can. | ||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET) | ||
===Eve=== | |||
:Actually, I thought Eve/Cora resembled Jessica Cannon (SiN Episodes) a little bit. | |||
:Maybe Cannon is a bit "too hot": there's not much of a plotwise analogy, anyway. | |||
:Then again, I've been drawing a ''huge'' parallel between SiN Episodes and ''Oni''. | |||
:(so you might hear more about this...) (but not ''here'', of course...) ^^ | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 02:16, 16 February 2007 (CET) | |||
;Jessica Cannon | |||
:[https://web.archive.org/web/20070102115336/http://www.ritualistic.com/screens.php/sineps/Sin+Episodes+Screenshots/1/thumbs/060511_05.jpg apprehension] | |||
:[https://web.archive.org/web/20060908180227/http://www.ritualistic.com/screens.php/sineps/Sin+Episodes+Screenshots/6/thumbs/051115_04.jpg aftertaste] | |||
;Cindy Synnett | |||
:[<nowiki>http://www.sinepisodes.com/gallery.php/ep1/sotd/2/thumbs/060505_02.jpg</nowiki> in parallel] [dead link] | |||
:[<nowiki>http://www.sinepisodes.com/gallery.php/ep1/sotd/3/thumbs/060504_01.jpg</nowiki> trigger happy] [dead link] | |||
;Early artwork | |||
:[http://web.archive.org/web/20060427232209/http://www.ritualistic.com/screens/sineps/wallpapers/051130_01_1600.jpg calm] | |||
:[http://web.archive.org/web/20060216165456/http://www.ritualistic.com/screens/sineps/wallpapers/050921_01_1600.jpg angry] | |||
:[https://web.archive.org/web/20210314154426/http://www.ritualistic.com/screens.php/sineps/SiN+Episodes+Concept+Art/2/concepts/concept_050827_01.jpg innocent] | |||
[[Category:Oni 2]] | |||
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- I'd clearly separate focused adaptations (relatively close to the original)
- from radically "alternative" brainstorming ("what if?"s and "how to?"s).
- On one hand, there can be an intense collaboration on consensual episodes.
- On the other, there can be a long-term relexion on parts with more "friction".
- (possible friction between creators, I mean)
- Definitely, I'd not rush head first past consensus and into friction ^^
- (I've been there before)
- geyser 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET)
English adaptation
Random thoughts
Not clearly impressions or "improvement" tips. Sometimes just loose associations.
Carmen
Cortana VS Gunman Chronicles
- Obviously reminiscent of Cortana at the start of the story: however, she's no one's guardian angel.
- There was a Carmen-like female AI in Gunman Chronicles.
- Likewise "in charge" of a huge base. Likewise more than a bit confused when things go wrong, and people start to die (by her hand).
- She is your enemy at first, and then becomes your ally when you defeat her: you force her to abandon her collapsing infrastructure.
- From then on, you carry her around as a small module: she's a personal hacker/advisor then, very much like Cortana.
- Towards the end of the game, she gets herself a physical body (first a "female robot", then a huge battle mecha).
- (Disclaimer: I never played Halo, but I played and enjoyed Gunman Chronicles: varied, challenging, fun)
- (there are raptors there, BTW) (raptors on one planet, mechas on another, cyborgs on both) (hehe)
- geyser 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET)
Zoo
- Reminder: the original Zoo is populated by:
- Lazarus the "wolfman" and his pack of wolves
- A multitude of identical cannibal gnomes
- Vampire bats
- Piranhas
- Raptors
- That's a rather limited bestiary/ecosystem...
- E.g., it is not clear what everyday life in the Zoo would be like, if it wasn't for intruders (Eve & Emily, Jackson's team).
- I.e., does Anderson feed them all separately, and if not, what do they all eat? Surely they're not all cannibals?
- geyser 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET)
- Idea: the Zoo becoming Eve's Dream (mirroring her concealed fears)
- Or the real zoo is a horrid place where experiments gone wrong are stored:
- deform things, brainless masses of muscles and living tumors, maybe some
- more sentient forms of life...
- Guido
- I second the first idea, but only in part. It's a bit too radical to completely virtualize "Part 3", IMO...
- On the other hand, the Zoo can give Eve vivid nightmares a posteriori. A "Return to the Zoo" of sorts.
- geyser 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET)
- I "second the second idea", too. The Zoo concept gave me the same a priori impression.
- Clones/mutants/chimeras don't have to be as perfectly "sensible" as Cora and Lazarus (catwoman, wolfman).
- Cross-breeding animals (or plants) is almost guaranteed to give you a lot of true monsters. Real ugly ones.
- Heck, you don't even need fiction... Ever heard of teratology? Talk about creepy...
- "Deform things, brainless masses of muscles and living tumors"... exactly. Raptor food galore ^^
- So yes, "experiments gone wrong". And even sentient forms can be very unfamiliar and/or awkward.
- geyser 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET)
Examples of creepy mutants and such
Disclaimer: haven't played either game yet. May buy SE:E soon (for several reasons).
SiN Episodes: Emergence
- NPC Mutant Heads
- now that is what I call ugly...
- Vaguely Humanoid Mutant
- in group
- on its own
- Big Bad Boss
- far away
- [http://www.sinepisodes.com/gallery.php/ep1/sotd/5/thumbs/060425_02.jpg up close] [dead link]
Hellgate:London
- Stalkers (raptor revisited)
- [http://hellgate.suewebik.net/pages/demoni/stalker.php (czech site)] [dead link]
- Grotesque (that one really has gone wrong...)
- [http://hellgate.suewebik.net/pages/demoni/grotesque--skupina.php (czech site too)] [dead link]
- Etc...
Cora
- Catwoman is an obvious reference (Michelle Pfeiffer rather than Halle Berry for me)
- Also (maybe not too relevant) here are pics of the Cabalist from Hellgate:London :
- [http://media.pc.ign.com/media/737/737992/img_4153656.html ON HER OWN] [dead link]
- [http://media.pc.ign.com/media/737/737992/img_4153654.html WITH FRIENDS] [dead link]
- (she's supposed to be "good" but she's playing with fire and can thus join the "dark side" (2nd pic))
- (note the padded garnments (reminiscent of Barabas's) and the different aspect of the skin in the 2 pics)
- geyser 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET)
- The 2nd pic (WITH FRIENDS) could be part of a nightmare ("Return to the Zoo").
- Can Cora and Carmen merge? In Eve's nightmares, they certainly can.
- geyser 21:22, 15 February 2007 (CET)
Eve
- Actually, I thought Eve/Cora resembled Jessica Cannon (SiN Episodes) a little bit.
- Maybe Cannon is a bit "too hot": there's not much of a plotwise analogy, anyway.
- Then again, I've been drawing a huge parallel between SiN Episodes and Oni.
- (so you might hear more about this...) (but not here, of course...) ^^
- geyser 02:16, 16 February 2007 (CET)
- Jessica Cannon
- apprehension
- aftertaste
- Cindy Synnett
- [http://www.sinepisodes.com/gallery.php/ep1/sotd/2/thumbs/060505_02.jpg in parallel] [dead link]
- [http://www.sinepisodes.com/gallery.php/ep1/sotd/3/thumbs/060504_01.jpg trigger happy] [dead link]
- Early artwork
- calm
- angry
- innocent
