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'''breakdown attempt of the meme Daodan-Chrysalis'''
'''breakdown attempt of the meme Daodan Chrysalis'''


: Finally wrote some “technobabble” lines that seem to provide a solid basis but also allow different interpretations. [[User:Paradox-01|Paradox-01]] 18:28, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
: Finally wrote some “technobabble” lines that seem to provide a solid basis but also allow different interpretations. [[User:Paradox-01|Paradox-01]] 18:28, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
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Some abilities can't be simply or sufficiently integrated into an organism but the ability or its product can be received from a symbiont.
Some abilities can't be simply or sufficiently integrated into an organism but the ability or its product can be received from a symbiont.


So, it seems likely to enlist microorganisms for more sensory tasks and abilities which are actually alien to the human. For this reason, the Daodan needs to upgrade the microorganisms' genomes as well. In sum they are named metagenome.
So, it seems likely to enlist microorganisms for more sensory tasks and abilities which are actually alien to the human. For this reason, the Daodan needs to upgrade the microorganisms' genomes as well. Their totality is called microbiome.


Next, communication between the symbionts has to be ensured. A more or less standardized cell organelle might do the job by using messenger substances. Or it transmits different electromagnetic waves which existence doesn't seem too alien in comparison to the real bioelektric field of each living organism and wound give an explanation attempt of the Daodau glow. (Some metabolic waste products – which are released through the body surface together with perspiration – might become stimulated to glow by the field.)
Next, communication between the symbionts has to be ensured. A more or less standardized cell organelle might do the job by using messenger substances. Or it transmits different electromagnetic waves which existence doesn't seem too alien in comparison to the real bioelektric field of each living organism and wound give an explanation attempt of the Daodan glow. (Some metabolic waste products – which are released through the body surface together with perspiration – might become stimulated to glow by the field.)


For processing the received information, the Daodan might use an own “self-awareness”, mainly a kind of “bodyimage” formed by another organelle type inside every daodanized cell. The presence of such organelle in neurons opens the possibility for – how geyser coined it –  “schizophrenia of the 3rd kind” but also Kerr's idea of a mental interface which allows influence on the Daodan's development by the host's personality.
For processing the received information, the Daodan might use an own “self-awareness”, mainly a kind of “bodyimage” formed by another organelle type inside every daodanized cell. The presence of such organelle in neurons opens the possibility for – how geyser coined it –  “schizophrenia of the 3rd kind” but also Kerr's idea of a mental interface which allows influence on the Daodan's development by the host's personality.


If we want to know more about the decision making algorithms (and their physical structures) which calculates the mutations, we will need ask to Hasegawa. ;-)
If we want to know more about the decision making algorithms (and their physical structures) which calculates the mutations, we will need to ask Hasegawa. ;-)


Depending on the target – human Daodan genome, Daodan metagenome, their epigenomes, or even organelle genomes (like mitochondrions and plastids have) – a few different “vectors” (e.g. viruses) need to be available to transport the mutation. (To ease further talk one might like to merge the genome names under something more simple like Daodan genome or even shorter daogenome.)
Depending on the target – human Daodan genome, Daodan microbiome, both their epigenomes, or even organelle genomes (like mitochondrions and plastids have) – a few different “vectors” (e.g. viruses) need to be available to transport the mutation. (To ease further talk one might like to merge the genome names under one term like Daodan metagenome or even shorter daogenome.)


However, it's hard to believe that the Daodan could be able to come up with fitting mutations completely by its own. It seems more likely to me that it draws on “genetic building blocks” holding basis information for fast regeneration, resistances, different metabolisms, and so on.
However, it's hard to believe that the Daodan could be able to come up with fitting mutations completely by its own. It seems more likely to me that it draws on “genetic building blocks” holding basis information for fast regeneration, resistances, different metabolisms, and so on.
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'''natural reporduction of human hosts'''
'''natural reproduction of human hosts'''
: [http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=26881#p26881 Iritscen's post] on the OCF initiated me to think about following problem.
: [http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=26881#p26881 Iritscen's post] on the OCF initiated me to think about following problem.


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Short term threats: local balance breaks.<br>
Short term threats: local balance breaks.<br>
Long term threat: integration of Daodan's genetic material into parasits, germs, etc.<br>
Long term threat: integration of Daodan's genetic material into parasites, germs, etc.<br>
A unprobable long term chance: symbiosis at planetar scale - "Gaia".
A unprobable long term chance: symbiosis at planetary scale - "Gaia".


(To be continued.)
(To be continued.)
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Manche Fähigkeiten lassen sich nicht so einfach oder nur unzureichend in einen Organismus integrieren. Die Fähigkeit oder ihr Produkt kann aber durch einen Symbiosepartner geliefert werden.
Manche Fähigkeiten lassen sich nicht so einfach oder nur unzureichend in einen Organismus integrieren. Die Fähigkeit oder ihr Produkt kann aber durch einen Symbiosepartner geliefert werden.


Es ist also naheliegend die Mikroorganismen für weitere Sensorik und eigentlich humanfremde Fähigkeiten heranzuziehen. Aus diesem Grund muss die Daodan auch die Genome der Mikroorganismen, zusammengefasst Metagenom genannt, aufrüsten.
Es ist also naheliegend die Mikroorganismen für weitere Sensorik und eigentlich humanfremde Fähigkeiten heranzuziehen. Aus diesem Grund muss die Daodan auch die Genome der Mikroorganismen, zusammengefasst Mikrobiom genannt, aufrüsten.


Als nächstes muss Kommunikation zwischen den Symbiosepartner sichergestellt werden. Ein mehr oder weniger standardisiertes Zellorganell in jeder Daodanzelle könnte vielleicht über Botenstoffe dem Rechnung tragen. Oder es sendet verschiedene elektromagnetische Wellen aus, deren Existenz gegenüber dem bioelektrischen Feld eines jeden lebenden Organismus als nicht zu weit hergeholt erscheinen mag und ein Erklärungsansatz für die Daodan-Aura bieten würde. (Einige Stoffwechselabfallprodukte, die über die Haut mit dem Schweiß abgegeben werden, könnten in dem Feld zum leuchten angeregt werden.)
Als nächstes muss Kommunikation zwischen den Symbiosepartner sichergestellt werden. Ein mehr oder weniger standardisiertes Zellorganell in jeder Daodanzelle könnte vielleicht über Botenstoffe dem Rechnung tragen. Oder es sendet verschiedene elektromagnetische Wellen aus, deren Existenz gegenüber dem bioelektrischen Feld eines jeden lebenden Organismus als nicht zu weit hergeholt erscheinen mag und ein Erklärungsansatz für die Daodan-Aura bieten würde. (Einige Stoffwechselabfallprodukte, die über die Haut mit dem Schweiß abgegeben werden, könnten in dem Feld zum leuchten angeregt werden.)
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Für die genauen Entscheidungsalgorithmen und ihrer physischen Strukturen zur Mutationsfindung müssten wir wohl Hasegawa fragen. ;-)
Für die genauen Entscheidungsalgorithmen und ihrer physischen Strukturen zur Mutationsfindung müssten wir wohl Hasegawa fragen. ;-)


Abhängig vom Ziel – menschliches Daodan-Genom, Daodan-Metagenom, ihrer Epigenome, oder sogar Organell-Genome (wie Mitochondrien und Plastiden sie haben) – müssen ein paar unterschiedliche „Vektoren“ (unter anderem Viren) verfügbar sein um die Mutation zu transportieren. (Um Diskussionen zu vereinfachen, mag einer vielleicht die Gesamtheit der involvierten Genome einfach Daodan-Genom oder Daogenom nennen.)
Abhängig vom Ziel – menschliches Daodan-Genom, Daodan-Mikrobiom, ihrer beider Epigenome, oder sogar Organell-Genome (wie Mitochondrien und Plastiden sie haben) – müssen ein paar unterschiedliche „Vektoren“ (unter anderem Viren) verfügbar sein um die Mutation zu transportieren. (Um Diskussionen zu vereinfachen, mag man vielleicht die Gesamtheit der involvierten Genome unter einem Begriff zusammenfassen wie Daodan-Metagenom oder kurz Daogenom.)


Trotzdem ist es schwer zu glauben, dass die Daodan vollkommen alleine im Stande wäre passende Mutationen zu erzeugen. Es ist vielleicht glaubwürdiger, wenn die Daodan auf „genetische Bausteine“ zurückgreift, die Basisinformationen für schnelle Regeneration, Resistenzen, unterschiedliche Stoffwechsel, und so weiter enthalten.
Trotzdem ist es schwer zu glauben, dass die Daodan vollkommen alleine im Stande wäre passende Mutationen zu erzeugen. Es ist vielleicht glaubwürdiger, wenn die Daodan auf „genetische Bausteine“ zurückgreift, die Basisinformationen für schnelle Regeneration, Resistenzen, unterschiedliche Stoffwechsel, und so weiter enthalten.
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====Beyond Imago stage====
====Beyond Imago stage====
:''Fact of 50%'' (whyever this number..*) ''of unknown genes and general idea of hyperevolution we believe that Imago stage isn't the "end". Of course new environmental catastrophes can mean a threat to imagos so also a new transformation would be necessary. In that aspect we think that these cycles aren't limited. However, it would be an disadvantage to lose a fully developed adaption if situation change back then. A storage system might be involved.''
:''Some part of the Daodan's code aren't fully understood yet and Hasegawa's (et al.) idea of hyperevolution makes us believe that the Imago stage isn't the "end". Of course new environmental catastrophes can mean a threat to imagos so also a new transformation would be necessary. In that aspect we think that these cycles aren't limited. However, it would be an disadvantage to lose a fully developed adaption if situation change back then. A storage system might be involved.''


:''A candidate for that matter are [[wikipedia:pseudogenes|pseudogenes]] which means inactive genes. Thus a gene can forced to become a pseudogene while 'replaced' by a new adapted one. Later "Dual Drive" checks if an older cycle should be rolled back (making the current gene inactive and reactivating the other one).''
:''A candidate for that matter are [[wikipedia:pseudogenes|pseudogenes]] which means inactive genes. Thus a gene can forced to become a pseudogene while 'replaced' by a new adapted one. Later "Dual Drive" checks if an older cycle should be rolled back (making the current gene inactive and reactivating the other one).''
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:''An genetic overload cannot be excluded. But that must be solved by future researchers. Our visionary colleague Dr. Sandström (in memory of [[wikipedia:ReGenesis|ReGenesis]]) points to something he calls "networked Omega-Chimäre" which makes use of advanced nanotechnology.''
:''An genetic overload cannot be excluded. But that must be solved by future researchers. Our visionary colleague Dr. Sandström (in memory of [[wikipedia:ReGenesis|ReGenesis]]) points to something he calls "networked Omega-Chimäre" which makes use of advanced nanotechnology.''
<nowiki>*</nowiki> IMO, even if there's a recognize-all-kinds-of-threats-and-how-to-mutate mechanism then it would take probably more space than all other programs listed in here.




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'''Ein Virus in einem Pilz in einer Pflanze: Drei-Wege-Symbiose benötigt für Hitzetoleranz'''
'''Ein Virus in einem Pilz in einer Pflanze: Drei-Wege-Symbiose benötigt für Hitzetoleranz'''


Eine mutuale Gemeinschaft von einem endophytischen Pilz und einer tropischen Rutenhirse (Panicum virgatum) erlaubt beiden Organismen in heißen Böden zu wachsen. Wir charakterisierten ein Virus von diesem Pilz, der an der mutualen Interaktion beteiligt ist. Isolierte Pilze, die vom Virus geheilt wurden, waren unfähig Hitzetoleranz zu übertragen, jedoch wurde die Hitzetoleranz nach der Rückeinführung des Virus wiederhergestellt. Der virusinfizierte Pilz übertrug Hitzetoleranz nicht nur an seinen natürlichen einkeimblättrige Wirt sondern auch an ein dreifurchenpollen-zweikeimblättrigen Wirt, was nahelegt, dass die zugrundeliegenden Mechanismen  zwischen den beiden Pflanzengruppen zu finden sind.
Eine mutuale Gemeinschaft von einem endophytischen Pilz und einer tropischen Rutenhirse (Panicum virgatum) erlaubt beiden Organismen bei hohen Bodentemperaturen zu wachsen. Wir charakterisierten ein Virus von diesem Pilz, der an der mutualen Interaktion beteiligt ist. Isolierte Pilze, die vom Virus geheilt wurden, waren unfähig Hitzetoleranz zu übertragen, jedoch wurde die Hitzetoleranz nach der Rückeinführung des Virus wiederhergestellt. Der virusinfizierte Pilz übertrug Hitzetoleranz nicht nur an seinen natürlichen einkeimblättrige Wirt sondern auch an ein dreifurchenpollen-zweikeimblättrigen Wirt, was nahelegt, dass die zugrundeliegenden Mechanismen  zwischen den beiden Pflanzengruppen zu finden sind.
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Revision as of 14:25, 8 September 2010

Oni(RS) technologies

Daodan-Chrysalis

breakdown attempt of the meme Daodan Chrysalis

Finally wrote some “technobabble” lines that seem to provide a solid basis but also allow different interpretations. Paradox-01 18:28, 9 July 2010 (UTC)


The Daodan Chrysalis (short: Daodan) produces “fitting mutations”. Only that way, the same damage source won't be dangerous again in the future.

Thus the type of damage becomes analyzed and therefore the Daodan requires a sensor system.

In nature, “higher lifeforms” evolved by following – among other concepts – specialization and socialization. Those find their expression on one hand in different cell types – therefore multicellular organism – and on other hand in all kinds of symbiosis. So, for a hyperevolved organism, it wound be understandable if it work more intensely by those concepts.

A body realizes damage or harmful influences by stimuli. To detect all kind of stimuli, much space is surely needed.

Ninety percent of cells that can be found on and inside the human body aren't his own but microorganisms. Fortunately they weigh only a half up to one kilogram. Their assemblage is known as human flora. Depending on the organism, one of them can be a place holder against real health threatening germs or another one can hold actual ability like vitamin K production.

Some abilities can't be simply or sufficiently integrated into an organism but the ability or its product can be received from a symbiont.

So, it seems likely to enlist microorganisms for more sensory tasks and abilities which are actually alien to the human. For this reason, the Daodan needs to upgrade the microorganisms' genomes as well. Their totality is called microbiome.

Next, communication between the symbionts has to be ensured. A more or less standardized cell organelle might do the job by using messenger substances. Or it transmits different electromagnetic waves which existence doesn't seem too alien in comparison to the real bioelektric field of each living organism and wound give an explanation attempt of the Daodan glow. (Some metabolic waste products – which are released through the body surface together with perspiration – might become stimulated to glow by the field.)

For processing the received information, the Daodan might use an own “self-awareness”, mainly a kind of “bodyimage” formed by another organelle type inside every daodanized cell. The presence of such organelle in neurons opens the possibility for – how geyser coined it – “schizophrenia of the 3rd kind” but also Kerr's idea of a mental interface which allows influence on the Daodan's development by the host's personality.

If we want to know more about the decision making algorithms (and their physical structures) which calculates the mutations, we will need to ask Hasegawa. ;-)

Depending on the target – human Daodan genome, Daodan microbiome, both their epigenomes, or even organelle genomes (like mitochondrions and plastids have) – a few different “vectors” (e.g. viruses) need to be available to transport the mutation. (To ease further talk one might like to merge the genome names under one term like Daodan metagenome or even shorter daogenome.)

However, it's hard to believe that the Daodan could be able to come up with fitting mutations completely by its own. It seems more likely to me that it draws on “genetic building blocks” holding basis information for fast regeneration, resistances, different metabolisms, and so on.

Muro and Mai got implanted with prototypes, indeed, but after more than 15 years I think the Syndicate accomplished to developed a Daodan allowing its mass production. This second generation would be independent from the host's sex (XX / YX chromosomes) and metagenome's composition by providing level-zero stem cells. These can target any compatible symbiont cell and then do a “configuration” (whereby they dissolve the unnecessary genetic material) to become classic stem cells.


natural reproduction of human hosts

Iritscen's post on the OCF initiated me to think about following problem.

At new environmental conditions, randomly evolved traits helps members of a population to survive. The survivors then ensure the population's continuity by their reproduction.

The Daodan reacts directly on environmental influences and probably – or largely – doesn't know anymore randomness. Therefor it's uncertain if the Daodan can manage or allow random recombination of genetic material during the sexual reproduction of Daodan hosts. For the Daodan, there's actually no more necessity for recombination.

So, if no recombination happens, female gamete (egg cells) might become produced with or without genetic material whereby only empty egg cell can accept a male gamete. In any case, the chromosome set is already diploid which means that baby is a genetic clone of one of it's parents. (But you know, the personality is still shaped to a major degree by environment and education.) Contact of male hormones with female gamete (cell nucleus must be presented) marks the cell as fertilized. Implantation and embryonic development follows. The passing on of microbial Daodan symbionts happens during child's birth (...) and by intake of breast milk. (Bifidobacteria can be taken as kind of RL example).


contamination of the ecosystem

The idea of human flora being part of the Daodan might mean a slow contamination of the ecosystem.

Short term threats: local balance breaks.
Long term threat: integration of Daodan's genetic material into parasites, germs, etc.
A unprobable long term chance: symbiosis at planetary scale - "Gaia".

(To be continued.)


German translation ...


Beyond Imago stage

Some part of the Daodan's code aren't fully understood yet and Hasegawa's (et al.) idea of hyperevolution makes us believe that the Imago stage isn't the "end". Of course new environmental catastrophes can mean a threat to imagos so also a new transformation would be necessary. In that aspect we think that these cycles aren't limited. However, it would be an disadvantage to lose a fully developed adaption if situation change back then. A storage system might be involved.
A candidate for that matter are pseudogenes which means inactive genes. Thus a gene can forced to become a pseudogene while 'replaced' by a new adapted one. Later "Dual Drive" checks if an older cycle should be rolled back (making the current gene inactive and reactivating the other one).
An genetic overload cannot be excluded. But that must be solved by future researchers. Our visionary colleague Dr. Sandström (in memory of ReGenesis) points to something he calls "networked Omega-Chimäre" which makes use of advanced nanotechnology.


Future upgrades

I don't think this will happen in RS but later sequels. It's better to write it down than forgetting it again during time.

  • telomere regeneration: which allows biological immortality (overpopulation problem appears)
  • cyborg genes: construction genes which takes care of implants -- nothing special in comparison to our human growth genes -> Omega-Chimäre
  • memory chromosome: nanoscanner collect position and properties of neurons and other relevant stuff and code these information into a new chromosome


Omega-Chimäre
  • Omega-Chimäres can make use of external memory storage for different Imago stages and also knowledge.
  • Long-range objective is to create a collective consciousness (via network) called Daimon.


Symbiosis

(to be continued)

Fungus and plant

More than 400 million years of evolution and some plants still can't make it on their own: plant stress tolerance via fungal symbiosis

All plants in natural ecosystems are thought to be symbiotic with mycorrhizal and/or endophytic fungi. Collectively, these fungi express different symbiotic lifestyles ranging from parasitism to mutualism. Analysis of Colletotrichum species indicates that individual isolates can express either parasitic or mutualistic lifestyles depending on the host genotype colonized. The endophyte colonization pattern and lifestyle expression indicate that plants can be discerned as either disease, non-disease, or non-hosts. Fitness benefits conferred by fungi expressing mutualistic lifestyles include biotic and abiotic stress tolerance, growth enhancement, and increased reproductive success. Analysis of plant–endophyte associations in high stress habitats revealed that at least some fungal endophytes confer habitat-specific stress tolerance to host plants. Without the habitat-adapted fungal endophytes, the plants are unable to survive in their native habitats. Moreover, the endophytes have a broad host range encompassing both monocots and eudicots, and confer habitat-specific stress tolerance to both plant groups.

source: http://jxb.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/59/5/1109

German translation ...


Virus, fungus and plant

A Virus in a Fungus in a Plant: Three-Way Symbiosis Required for Thermal Tolerance

A mutualistic association between a fungal endophyte and a tropical panic grass allows both organisms to grow at high soil temperatures. We characterized a virus from this fungus that is involved in the mutualistic interaction. Fungal isolates cured of the virus are unable to confer heat tolerance, but heat tolerance is restored after the virus is reintroduced. The virus-infected fungus confers heat tolerance not only to its native monocot host but also to a eudicot host, which suggests that the underlying mechanism involves pathways conserved between these two groups of plants.

source:
- http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/abstract/315/5811/513
- http://www.rcn.montana.edu/pubs/pdf/2007/science%202007.pdf

German translation ...


Heavy weapons

( http://www.g-o.de/wissen-aktuell-8091-2008-04-15.html )
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