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:I'll use "talk" pages whenever I think a fix is non-trivial enough.
:I'll use "talk" pages whenever I think a fix is non-trivial enough.
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:56, 31 January 2007 (CET)
==Durchsetzungsvermögen==
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assertiveness Assertiveness] is a communication skill. Something you teach to trainees and students so that they don't suck so bad.
*Perseverance and determination are already closer. As seen [http://www.kevinroderick.com/andy.html HERE]:
:Murray calls it the German quality of ''Durchsetzungsvermögen'', the determination to persevere like a badger and win the hundreds of one-on-one battles that occur in a game.
*I decided against the (redundant) "determination to persevere" (like a badger ^^). "Perseverance" is OK.
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:56, 31 January 2007 (CET)
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:56, 31 January 2007 (CET)


Acknowledged! [[User:Guido|Guido]]
==Iterated==
 
===Small===
==Small==
:As opposed to "little", "small" carries nothing but the notion of size.
:As opposed to "little", "small" carries nothing but the notion of size.
:No reference to young age, and as good as no affective connotation (AFAIK).
:No reference to young age, and as good as no affective connotation (AFAIK).
:"Little girl" is almost an idiom... What's wrong with it, Guido? ^^
:"Little girl" is almost an idiom... What's wrong with it, Guido? ^^
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:56, 31 January 2007 (CET)
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:56, 31 January 2007 (CET)
==Misc==
===Not quite proper===
===Not quite proper===
Words I'm not sure are proper (or at least words I'd never have used in directions myself)
Words I'm not sure are proper (or at least words I'd never have used in directions myself)
*sulky
*sulky
*impish
*impish
===Whatever===
*furrow (for brows) looks intransitive to me
''REPLY'': I checked my reference dictionaries (both printed and online). Actually the expression "to furrow one's brow" does exist... just google " she furrows her brow" and see... ^^


*resignation: not sure at all about that one
''REPLY'': maybe surrender? The concept is about Emily shaking her head as she thinks: "there's nothing I can do in order to convince Carmen. Carmen is no reasonable at all. I will handle this my way, I just need to ask Bill..."


*"leader circuit": wherever you got ''that'' one from?
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''REPLY'': LEO: online German- English dictionary, huge forum, very useful to find out all technical terms (another word for example is spring-gun,  in chapter 3, and ventilation-shaft)
==Reiterated==
===Furrow one's brow===
:I checked my reference dictionaries (both printed and online). Actually the expression "to furrow one's brow" does exist... just google " she furrows her brow" and see... ^^
::;Guido
:Acknowledged. I was nowhere near determined enough the first time. Biased, too ^^
::;geyser
 
===Resignation===
:WTF?
::;geyser
:maybe surrender? The concept is about Emily shaking her head as she thinks: "there's nothing I can do in order to convince Carmen. Carmen is no reasonable at all. I will handle this my way, I just need to ask Bill..."
::;Guido
:One thing about this one and ''so'' many others. English is famous for how a word such as "set" can have 200+ very different meanings depending on the context. Surely you don't want to use such a word ''without'' a phrasal context, even if it's not 200 but 5.
:Practically, for someone who hasn't read the verbose original, the "adapted" dialogue is not unambiguous enough for "in resignation" to make immediate, unmistakeable sense.
:What I ''really'' recommend in such cases is ''not'' to try and pick "the right word". Either provide the German one and/or a bunch of possible translations and/or disambiguate with a little sentence (or two).
:An example: your explanatory sentence (Emily's thoughts) was very helpful to me. So you might consider adding that information somehow into the script (either as '''V.O.''' or possibly verbose "directions to actors"). Otherwise, you're the only one who knows what's going on. All the others will be left with their (wrong) guesses.
:Sorry for ranting.
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 19:00, 8 February 2007 (CET)
 
 
===Leader circuit===
:Wherever you got ''that'' one from?
::;geyser
:LEO: online German- English dictionary, huge forum, very useful to find out all technical terms (another word for example is spring-gun,  in chapter 3, and ventilation-shaft)
::;Guido
:Huh? When ''I'' look up "Leiterbahn" (integrierte Schaltkreise) with [http://dict.leo.org LEO], ''I'' get these 8 hits:
:*conductor [elec.]
:*track [tech.]
:*circuit path [tech.]
:*conductor path [tech.]
:*printed circuit board track [abbr.: pcb track]
:*strip conductor [tech.]
:*strip line [tech.]
:*trace pitch [elec.]
:From that list, it's nearly obvious that "(PCB) track" is the best candidate. And "leader circuit" is nowhere to see.
::(actually, "traces" is what the say it's called [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Printed_circuit_board HERE])
:And when ''I'' look up "[http://dict.leo.org/ende?lp=ende&lang=de&searchLoc=0&cmpType=relaxed&sectHdr=on&spellToler=on&search=leader+circuit&relink=on leader circuit]" with LEO, I only get separate hits for the two words, i.e., not an ''expression''.
:So I feel like asking you again: how does one get "leader circuit" out of LEO (or any German-English dictionary)?
::;geyser
:If your idea of translating compound words is translating word parts separately and put the English words together... I'm afraid that won't yield good results for "technical terms".
::;geyser
;Ventilation shaft
:That one is OK (no hyphen though).
;[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spring-gun Spring-gun]
:Spring-guns are typically used by hunters/braconniers and slightly mad home owners. Not ''too'' fit.
:Problem is: German doesn't distinguish between those and the (semi fictional) paramilitary ones; English ''does''.
:In such cases, I have to improvise. Since the guns we need are mostly fictional, sci-fi references are the key.
:Take '''The Andromeda Strain''' by Michael Crichton, for instance... I read it a long while ago.
:There was likewise a shaft secured by automatic guns firing tranquilizer darts. What were they called?
:And Oni calls them "turrets" (Geschütttürme in German). Googling for "crichton+andromeda+turret" gives you:
:[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sentry_gun Sentry gun]. Already better.
:"Determination to peresevere like a badger", right on!
:Otherwise it's ''not'' "much better" than literal translation. ^^
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 19:00, 8 February 2007 (CET)
 
 
 
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==Classified==
==Durchsetzungsvermögen==
*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assertiveness Assertiveness] is a communication skill. Something you teach to trainees and students so that they don't suck so bad.
*Perseverance and determination are already closer. As seen [http://www.kevinroderick.com/andy.html HERE]:
:Murray calls it the German quality of ''Durchsetzungsvermögen'', the determination to persevere like a badger and win the hundreds of one-on-one battles that occur in a game.
*I decided against the (redundant) "determination to persevere" (like a badger ^^). "Perseverance" is OK.
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:56, 31 January 2007 (CET)
:Acknowledged!
::[[User:Guido|Guido]]

Revision as of 18:00, 8 February 2007

I'll use "talk" pages whenever I think a fix is non-trivial enough.
geyser 22:56, 31 January 2007 (CET)

Iterated

Small

As opposed to "little", "small" carries nothing but the notion of size.
No reference to young age, and as good as no affective connotation (AFAIK).
"Little girl" is almost an idiom... What's wrong with it, Guido? ^^
geyser 22:56, 31 January 2007 (CET)

Not quite proper

Words I'm not sure are proper (or at least words I'd never have used in directions myself)

  • sulky
  • impish


Reiterated

Furrow one's brow

I checked my reference dictionaries (both printed and online). Actually the expression "to furrow one's brow" does exist... just google " she furrows her brow" and see... ^^
Guido
Acknowledged. I was nowhere near determined enough the first time. Biased, too ^^
geyser

Resignation

WTF?
geyser
maybe surrender? The concept is about Emily shaking her head as she thinks: "there's nothing I can do in order to convince Carmen. Carmen is no reasonable at all. I will handle this my way, I just need to ask Bill..."
Guido
One thing about this one and so many others. English is famous for how a word such as "set" can have 200+ very different meanings depending on the context. Surely you don't want to use such a word without a phrasal context, even if it's not 200 but 5.
Practically, for someone who hasn't read the verbose original, the "adapted" dialogue is not unambiguous enough for "in resignation" to make immediate, unmistakeable sense.
What I really recommend in such cases is not to try and pick "the right word". Either provide the German one and/or a bunch of possible translations and/or disambiguate with a little sentence (or two).
An example: your explanatory sentence (Emily's thoughts) was very helpful to me. So you might consider adding that information somehow into the script (either as V.O. or possibly verbose "directions to actors"). Otherwise, you're the only one who knows what's going on. All the others will be left with their (wrong) guesses.
Sorry for ranting.
geyser 19:00, 8 February 2007 (CET)


Leader circuit

Wherever you got that one from?
geyser
LEO: online German- English dictionary, huge forum, very useful to find out all technical terms (another word for example is spring-gun, in chapter 3, and ventilation-shaft)
Guido
Huh? When I look up "Leiterbahn" (integrierte Schaltkreise) with LEO, I get these 8 hits:
  • conductor [elec.]
  • track [tech.]
  • circuit path [tech.]
  • conductor path [tech.]
  • printed circuit board track [abbr.: pcb track]
  • strip conductor [tech.]
  • strip line [tech.]
  • trace pitch [elec.]
From that list, it's nearly obvious that "(PCB) track" is the best candidate. And "leader circuit" is nowhere to see.
(actually, "traces" is what the say it's called HERE)
And when I look up "leader circuit" with LEO, I only get separate hits for the two words, i.e., not an expression.
So I feel like asking you again: how does one get "leader circuit" out of LEO (or any German-English dictionary)?
geyser
If your idea of translating compound words is translating word parts separately and put the English words together... I'm afraid that won't yield good results for "technical terms".
geyser
Ventilation shaft
That one is OK (no hyphen though).
Spring-gun
Spring-guns are typically used by hunters/braconniers and slightly mad home owners. Not too fit.
Problem is: German doesn't distinguish between those and the (semi fictional) paramilitary ones; English does.
In such cases, I have to improvise. Since the guns we need are mostly fictional, sci-fi references are the key.
Take The Andromeda Strain by Michael Crichton, for instance... I read it a long while ago.
There was likewise a shaft secured by automatic guns firing tranquilizer darts. What were they called?
And Oni calls them "turrets" (Geschütttürme in German). Googling for "crichton+andromeda+turret" gives you:
Sentry gun. Already better.
"Determination to peresevere like a badger", right on!
Otherwise it's not "much better" than literal translation. ^^
geyser 19:00, 8 February 2007 (CET)


Classified

Durchsetzungsvermögen

  • Assertiveness is a communication skill. Something you teach to trainees and students so that they don't suck so bad.
  • Perseverance and determination are already closer. As seen HERE:
Murray calls it the German quality of Durchsetzungsvermögen, the determination to persevere like a badger and win the hundreds of one-on-one battles that occur in a game.
  • I decided against the (redundant) "determination to persevere" (like a badger ^^). "Perseverance" is OK.
geyser 22:56, 31 January 2007 (CET)
Acknowledged!
Guido
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