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:::::OK, I'll make this simple for you. "An android? [...] I want it." is just about Muro becoming aware of Mai's "sister soul" SLD and wanting it. Ultimately he wanted Shinatama for something very direct and physical, as we are both shown and told. Muro also recognizes that Shinatama is a bridge between Konoko and the TCTF, so he's only happy to burn that bridge, screwing up Damocles and sending Mai into free orbit where she's more fun. Gathering symbiosis data (if any) would be a nice bonus, but it really isn't clear how useful an unplugged Shinatama is in that respect -- which is hardly a problem as long as Muro gets to do his pain monologue (priceless!). --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 15:35, 8 June 2020 (CEST) | :::::OK, I'll make this simple for you. "An android? [...] I want it." is just about Muro becoming aware of Mai's "sister soul" SLD and wanting it. Ultimately he wanted Shinatama for something very direct and physical, as we are both shown and told. Muro also recognizes that Shinatama is a bridge between Konoko and the TCTF, so he's only happy to burn that bridge, screwing up Damocles and sending Mai into free orbit where she's more fun. Gathering symbiosis data (if any) would be a nice bonus, but it really isn't clear how useful an unplugged Shinatama is in that respect -- which is hardly a problem as long as Muro gets to do his pain monologue (priceless!). --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 15:35, 8 June 2020 (CEST) | ||
::::::I think you're giving Muro too much credit if you think he masterminded the situation and caused Konoko to go rogue. Who would have known that Shinatama and Konoko were emotionally bonded? This is not a situation with precedent. Muro would likely have no idea of a sisterly bond between them. He wanted the android for information (obtained off-screen), as he clearly stated, and then he turned sadistic out of boredom (and so we in the audience could see what kind of person he is). The end. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 17:45, 8 June 2020 (CEST) | ::::::I think you're giving Muro too much credit if you think he masterminded the situation and caused Konoko to go rogue. Who would have known that Shinatama and Konoko were emotionally bonded? This is not a situation with precedent. Muro would likely have no idea of a sisterly bond between them. He wanted the android for information (obtained off-screen), as he clearly stated, and then he turned sadistic out of boredom (and so we in the audience could see what kind of person he is). The end. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 17:45, 8 June 2020 (CEST) | ||
:::::::Or, as a bona-fide agent of chaos, he finds satisfaction both in the torture and in having severed the link between Konoko and the TCTF. The insubordination and rogue-going are not something Muro can "predict", but he is fully aware that taking Shinatama away will piss the good guys off, at the very least, and mess them up if he's lucky. That's basic Heath-Ledger-Joker-ian anarchism right there: "I’m like a dog chasing cars, I wouldn’t know what to do if I caught one, you know, I just do… things." Shinatama was taken to the ACC because that's where Muro was at the time, and was tortured with high voltage because that, too, was conveniently available there and then. The end. As for the data theft, if any, there was plenty of opportunity for it at the TCTF HQ while it was overrun by Strikers. The end too. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 18:06, 8 June 2020 (CEST) | |||
:::::As for extracting the data, "I have seen everything you have seen" isn't really the same as "I have all the big data at the tip of my tongue.". Even if Shinatama's RAM still holds the current and most relevant data about Mai's status as a symbiote, extracting it from her verbally will be a pain (pun intended), and interfacing with her electronically might involve custom ports/drivers/protocols that Muro does not necessarily possess, and wouldn't be able to conjure up in just a few hours. So if I were Muro/Mukade/Kojiro, I'd use my time at the TCTF HQ to grab Shinatama ''and'' the data. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 15:35, 8 June 2020 (CEST) | :::::As for extracting the data, "I have seen everything you have seen" isn't really the same as "I have all the big data at the tip of my tongue.". Even if Shinatama's RAM still holds the current and most relevant data about Mai's status as a symbiote, extracting it from her verbally will be a pain (pun intended), and interfacing with her electronically might involve custom ports/drivers/protocols that Muro does not necessarily possess, and wouldn't be able to conjure up in just a few hours. So if I were Muro/Mukade/Kojiro, I'd use my time at the TCTF HQ to grab Shinatama ''and'' the data. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 15:35, 8 June 2020 (CEST) | ||
:My suggestion (in the TNZ scope and more generally) is to present the RSB/Rooftops episode as Mukade's initiative. Whoever or whatever he is, he's messing with Mai in his own way, and it has nothing to do with Muro. Unlike Konoko, he can apparenly hack the data from ''any'' terminal and not just the one in the basement, and yet he puts on a show: killing cops in the lobby (after making sure that more are on the way) just in time for Konoko's arrival; leaving a trail of corpses throughout the building; waiting for Konoko to come online before he starts stripping files right in front of her, then waiting for her to catch up with him again, and again, and again... Chase sequences often have awkwardly convenient timing, but here it's just too much. At the very least, he has a perverted crush on her, and is going out of his way to freak her out. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 18:42, 7 June 2020 (CEST) | :My suggestion (in the TNZ scope and more generally) is to present the RSB/Rooftops episode as Mukade's initiative. Whoever or whatever he is, he's messing with Mai in his own way, and it has nothing to do with Muro. Unlike Konoko, he can apparenly hack the data from ''any'' terminal and not just the one in the basement, and yet he puts on a show: killing cops in the lobby (after making sure that more are on the way) just in time for Konoko's arrival; leaving a trail of corpses throughout the building; waiting for Konoko to come online before he starts stripping files right in front of her, then waiting for her to catch up with him again, and again, and again... Chase sequences often have awkwardly convenient timing, but here it's just too much. At the very least, he has a perverted crush on her, and is going out of his way to freak her out. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 18:42, 7 June 2020 (CEST) | ||