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::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 11:11, 10 October 2007 (CEST) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 11:11, 10 October 2007 (CEST) | ||
:(META. Meta means for me also "übergreifend". I was thinking of it as something ambiguous.) | :(META. Meta means for me also "übergreifend". I was thinking of it as something ambiguous.) | ||
:When Muro's Strikers are dangerous to everybody including BGI a possible step could be cooperation on the execution force base. :Taking own troops (semi-good hitmen, sniper mercenaries), TCTF, army, and even Mai. | :When Muro's Strikers are dangerous to everybody including BGI a possible step could be cooperation on the execution force base. | ||
:In case on success WCG heads will become scapegoats and the old Syndicate choose a new hierarchy for them. (The deal with Mai will also negated. -- But this is just an idea and won't happen. Because of .. well .. we don't want an WCG with Syndicate heads. ^^ | :Taking own troops (semi-good hitmen, sniper mercenaries), TCTF, army, and even Mai. | ||
:In case on success WCG heads will become scapegoats and the old Syndicate choose a new hierarchy for them. | |||
:(The deal with Mai will also negated. -- But this is just an idea and won't happen. Because of .. well .. we don't want an WCG with Syndicate heads. ^^ | |||
::[[User:Paradox-01|Paradox-01]] 19:29, 17 October 2007 (CEST) | ::[[User:Paradox-01|Paradox-01]] 19:29, 17 October 2007 (CEST) | ||
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:Sorry for not having written earlier. These days I find that elaborating Oni 2 is not the most urgent priority. | |||
:What is needed right now is an entertaining rehash of Oni's resources: the Seventh Anniversary Edition thing. | |||
:Please try not to insert thoughts in the middle of previous "posts". It makes the talk (even) less logical. | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 20:35, 18 November 2007 (CET) | |||
:If I understand correctly, the overwhelming power of the Strikers could motivate ''a coalition against them''. | |||
*I agree that it is appealing to imagine a few individuals or organisations with enough power to fight back. | |||
:For example, BGI could have a few strongholds that it might attempt to secure against everyone else. | |||
:Or there could be civilian "heroes": small groups of survivors fighting to protect their supplies. | |||
:But, in my opinion, no one will want to confront the Strikers just to protect the interests of the WCG. | |||
*One problem is that the forces that are supposed to oppose the Strikers were already there during Oni. | |||
:Whatever kept them from intervening? and why would they become so much more determined and organized? | |||
:In my opinion there is no entity that can oppose the Strikers on strategic scales. | |||
:"TCTF, army, and even Mai" will not be able to fight back the Strikers ''and'' to take care of the mob. | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 20:35, 18 November 2007 (CET) | |||
:"We don't want of a WCG with Syndicate heads"... heck, why not? That's the only thing that can happen. | |||
:The takeover is ambiguous. There's no real "scapegoat" here, and no actual "plan for world domination". | |||
:Only a WCG taken over by Strikers has enough credibility and power to "handle" Oni's aftermath. IMO. | |||
:As I said before, both the WCG and the Strikers can see the victory as their own. It's a synergy. | |||
:As for the people: the new entity will be popular if it acts in the direction of disaster relief. | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 20:35, 18 November 2007 (CET) | |||
:To your extra points on democracy above. Of course this is totally off-topic here. We should probably make a page called "Winter Number Zero" for the aftermath talk. | |||
:When you say "the global community simply doesn't tolerate dictatorships", as I said, it's best not to think of what's being called democracy in today's world... ;) | |||
:Dictatorships have ''always'' been OK in times of trouble. Even the oh-so-democratic USA would switch to martial law in a heartbeat if there was major global s##t. | |||
:To fake a democracy requires enormous financial resources and few other priorities than to preserve a relatively placid social status quo. In times of peace it works. | |||
:Martial law or dictatorship make things easier since you can bypass the more subtle propaganda, and do what you need to do, without having to conceal or explain it. | |||
:Thus, you don't have to go to the trouble of presenting your enemies as scapegoats to the public, or at least you can do so in much blunter ways than in democracy. | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 20:35, 18 November 2007 (CET) | |||
:"the new BioCrisis would make it hard to control even one region" - that's correct. | |||
:"So what can ''we'' do to avoid this?" - to avoid what exactly? Anarchy? Well, we can do META :) | |||
:If the most powerful factions spend time fighting each other, the public will be out of control. | |||
:If there's a quick victory and an overwhelming authority (at local scale), there will be order. | |||
:Propaganda alone can not contain the crowd. Neither can the Daodan (remember how creepy it is?). | |||
:What can work is a series of measures towards disater relief backed up by massive brute force. | |||
:But that can only work if the resources are secured, and if there's no major enemy to fight. | |||
:In that sense, the best outcome for everyone is a quick end to the WCG-Syndicate struggle. | |||
:Whether it's a formal agreement or, more likely, a bloody coup, it will generate stability. | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 20:35, 18 November 2007 (CET) | |||