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(closing statements before I "lock in" the Tree (which is to say it'll be written in ink now, not in stone))
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:A reminder: the Category Tree extension goes hand in hand with this, so we should ask Alloc about installing it on the wiki. Without it, the only page that shows categories is Special:Categories, which lists all cat.s at all levels; CatTree will let us see the hierarchy properly, once it's in place. --'''Iritscen'''
Summary: The basic categories take this overall approach:
*'''two''' for wiki management ('''Media''' for images and '''Wiki Support''' for templates and other supporting pages),
*'''two''' for in-universe stuff ('''Inside Oni''' and '''Beyond Oni''', for Oni 1 and Oni 2-ish, respectively),
*'''one''' for helping people play Oni ('''Oni Support'''),
*'''one''' for helping people mod Oni ('''Oni Modding'''), and
*'''one''' for an outside-world approach to Oni ('''Real World'''), which will also catch the random non-Oni-related articles.


:"Humor" sounds like too general a name for humorous images. You can make that name more specific and/or allow for a more general Humor category. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
Trying to narrow the number of cat.s down from here only artificially forces together articles that are unlike each other. The fact that it makes a total of [[seven]] categories is purely coincidental, but I think it's a sign that we're doing the right thing. :-3
::Er, I made it "Humor images", is that specific enough? Don't know how else it can be improved, it seems fine that way to me. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
:::"Humor images" turns the word "humor" into a grammatically improbable qualifier, in which place "fun" would probably be better because it's already been "adjectivated". Apart from "fun images", my suggestion here would be to make a higher-level category called "Humor" used to categorize ''that'' kind of images, but also articles which are supposed to make people ROFL. Note that you can't categorize sections (dunno if it's unfortunate or fortunate). --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 04:43, 12 November 2008 (CET)
::::This taps into a much larger issue that I suppose we should be considering first and foremost: how do we handle media (for now, at least, just pictures) on the wiki? I see three options:
::::#Separate images at the top level, with their own set of cat.s (as I'm doing now).
::::#Have that level 1 cat. for Images, but with no sub-cat.s, and additionally apply cat.s from the other branches to images as seems appropriate.
::::#Just file the images into the other categories. This might make it hard to manage images, but I'm not sure we *need* to use cat.s to get handles on images; there are other ways to find files on the wiki, at any rate, so maybe all that matters is that images are cat.d, not separately cat.d.
::::I could guess which option you might prefer, but I might guess wrong, so I'll just patiently wait for your answer and go from there. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 18:08, 12 November 2008 (CET)
::::So, at this point, I'm choosing to stay with answer 1, but I've taken your suggestion and gone with "Fun images". --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 22:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)


:I'm afraid I can't make a definitive statement on any trunk after "Images" as a whole. Just a few casual remarks right now. More, later, maybe. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
:I wouldn't call "Templates" an "Administrative" category. Also, the categories should be named as explicitly as possible and in "... ''templates''" --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
::Templates are definitely administrative, unless you propose making another level-1 cat. for them, which to me isn't justified. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
:::Templates are often created by regular editors as a typesetting commodity, not set up by admins with maintenance in mind. They are a basic feature of MediaWiki, and I don't think you should label the whole lot of them as something "administrative". The only "administrative" templates are what you called "administrative templates", really. Maybe you are looking for another name than "Administrative", something like "Wiki-world" (as opposed to Real-world and Oni-world). It may also be that the "Images" subtree actually belongs in that "wiki-space": like "Templates", the root of that hierarchy is redundant of a fundamental built-in functionality of MediaWiki. The three trunks "Real-world", "Oni-world" and "Wiki-world" make sense to me. The last trunk (wiki-world) is perhaps the most clear-cut: a purely utilitary categorization of the wiki's basic resources (e.g., images categorized as resources, regardless of their specific usage in articles; by genre or by author, but not according to what exactly is pictured; additional categorization will come from the "in-universe" tree, mostly). As you noticed, the whole "added value" business blurs the line between "in-universe" and "real-world"; and modding also deals with "in-universe" entities and interpretations. I have no clear suggestion at this point, but it seems hard, if not futile, to keep branches of "in-universe" from contaminating other trunks. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 04:43, 12 November 2008 (CET)
::::Sorry, don't like "Wiki-world", but what about "Wiki maintenance" or "Wiki support"? And yes, perhaps "Images" <u>should</u> go under that, I am not decided yet, but the idea is not a bad one. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 18:08, 12 November 2008 (CET)
::::More importantly, you are questioning the overall approach to the level 1 cat.s. Leaving "Images" aside for now, we're looking the other four main cat.s. Your point that modding is partly in-universe, and that added value is also tied up in the Oni-verse leads me to this suggestion: rather than making Modding a level 1 cat., how about these cat.s at level 1: '''Oni-verse''', '''Wiki support''', and '''Beyond Oni-verse'''. This last cat. would have as a sub-cat the Modding branch, articles about Oni as a game, as well as Added value, as well as Oni 2's whole namespace. Whatcha think? --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 18:08, 12 November 2008 (CET)
:::::I would rather keep modding in its own category. "Wiki-world", "Modding Oni", "Inside Oni", and "Beyond Oni".  Or something of the sort. [[User:Gumby|Gumby]] 19:51, 12 November 2008 (CET)
::::::Trying something new; since it's just too hard to fit so many topics into just five level 1 cat.s, counting Images, so I made seven :-3 : '''Real World''', '''Inside Oni''', '''Beyond Oni''' (for added value and Oni 2 stuff), '''Oni Support''' (for things like "Installation"), '''Oni Modding''', '''Wiki Support''', and '''Images'''. There's nothing wrong with seven level 1 categories, and I can't find any way to squeeze one more kind of article together without it being unnatural.
:I would have other remarks, e.g., about "Added value" or "AE" vs "Modding projects", but that'd be more or less subjective and polemical. Later. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
::I'm not that confident about where I placed "Added value". And "AE" should probably be under "Current modding projects"; trying it under there for now to see how it looks; note that only pages directly related to your AE work would be there, none of that "all modding belongs to the AE" nonsense. :-3 --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
:::"all modding belongs to the AE" is not nonsense, it's just that Oni is not mod-friendly, so mods will inevitably interfere unless they're part of a single framework. And "my" AE work is nil, so go ahead and delete the whole namespace while you're at it ^_^ - seriously, AE will be a ''gathering'' or it will not be. If you don't like "AE", we can change the namespace to "Mods", but it wouldn't change the fact of the matter: think of it as a standard in organization and quality without which a mod just isn't viable (according to ME, of course, according to ME; I've been wrong before; but, I'll say it again, Oni is fundamentally ''not'' mod-friendly -_-). --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 04:43, 12 November 2008 (CET)
::::I think your last point is pointless, I don't care how hard Oni is to mod; I see a very clear distinction between "your" work (read: the specific package you release that is called the Edition) and any mods that may use that framework. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 18:08, 12 November 2008 (CET)
::::The current evolution of the AE, as it becomes modular, is bearing me out here, as there are simply mods that ''are'' AE, and mods that ''aren't'' AE. This ties in with what you have told me elsewhere, that you want the AE to include only selected mods that can be screened for compatibility with the other AE mods. So if we follow this path, the distinction will always be clear. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 22:02, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
==Category Tree Proposal==
Summary: The level 1 categories take this overall approach: '''two''' for wiki management ('''Images''', and '''Wiki Support''' for the templates and such), '''two''' for in-universe stuff ('''Inside Oni''' and '''Beyond Oni''', for Oni 1 and Oni 2-ish, respectively), '''one''' for helping people play Oni ('''Oni Support'''), '''one''' for helping people mod Oni ('''Modding Oni'''), and '''one''' for an outside-world approach to Oni ('''Real World'''), which will also catch the random non-Oni-related articles. Trying to narrow the number of cat.s down from here only artificially forces together articles that are unlike each other. The fact that it makes a total of seven categories is purely coincidental, but I think it's a sign that we're doing the right thing. [[User:Iritscen|:-3]]


'''Contents'''
:'''Beyond Oni'''
::Added value
::Fan-made games
::Oni 2


'''Contents'''
:'''Inside Oni'''
:'''Inside Oni'''
::Characters
::Characters
::Events
::Events
:::Outro sequence
::Factions
::Factions
:::BGI
:::BGI
:::Syndicate
:::TCTF
:::TCTF
::::SWAT
:::WCG -- includes neutral/un-allied parties
:::Syndicate
::Places
::::Strikers
:::::Elite
:::WCG -- includes civilians
::Quotes
::Quotes
::Things
::Weapons
::Weapons


:'''Oni Support'''
:'''Media'''
::Game directory map
::Advertisements and magazine covers
::Gameplay tools
::Art
::Help -- for pages like Troubleshooting and Gameplay
:::Art by artist
::Patches and upgrades
::::Art by Craig Mullins
 
::::Art by DarkLitria
:'''Beyond Oni'''
::::Art by Eric Lin
::Added value
::::Art by geyser
::Oni 2
::::Art by GTO
 
::::Art by Guido
:'''Real World''' -- anything outside Oni's universe, such as "Oni" and "Voice actors", plus misc. articles
::::Art by Jacen Burrows
::::Art by Lorraine
::::Art by Okita
::::Art by owldreamer
::::Art by Paradox
::::Art by Rina
::::Art by Severed
:::Chibi art
:::Concept art
:::Fan art
::::Oni 2 concept art
:::Fun images
:::Promotional art
::::Design elements
::Avatars and signatures
::Character renders
::Dark Horse comics
:::Dark Horse comic issue 0
:::Dark Horse comic issue 1
:::Dark Horse comic issue 2
:::Dark Horse comic issue 3
::Expo materials
::Fan game images
:::Konoko Payne images
:::UnrealOni images
::Images from other media
:::3D models
:::Anime, manga and comics
:::Location photos
:::OS and utility windows
:::Other video game images
:::Pictures of people
::Images of character classes
:::Images of Comm Troopers‎
:::Images of Elite Strikers‎
:::Images of Furies‎
:::Images of Mad Bombers‎
:::Images of Mercenary Snipers
:::Images of Ninjas‎
:::Images of Strikers‎
:::Images of Tankers
:::Images of TCTF Black Ops‎ SWAT
:::Images of TCTF Black Ops‎ Tactical
:::Images of TCTF Cops‎
:::Images of TCTF SWAT Troopers
:::Images of TCTF Tactical Troopers‎
:::Images of Thugs‎‎
::Images of characters -- any character with at least a few images gets their own subcategory
:::Images of Barabas
:::Images of Griffin
:::Images of Iron Demon
:::Images of Kerr
:::Images of Konoko
::::Konoko images by Lorraine
::::Konoko images by Okita
::::Konoko images by other official artists
::::Konoko model images
:::Images of Mukade
:::Images of Muro
:::Images of Shinatama
::Logos, icons and symbols
::Manual -- various language/platform versions in subcats under here
::Merchandise
::Modding images
:::Annotated screenshots
:::Instructional diagrams
:::Mod screenshots
:::Modding tool screenshots -- tools that don't have subcats go directly under here
::::AEI screenshots
::::Blender screenshots
::::Hex editor screenshots
::::Mod Tool OniTools screenshots
::::OUP screenshots
::::Vago screenshots
::::XSI Mod Tool screenshots
:::OBD hex images
::Music
::Oni (WAP) game images
::Oni 2 (AS) game images
::Oni game images
:::Developer Mode screenshots
:::Fly-in portraits
:::Intro sequence
:::Outro sequence
:::Pre-beta screenshots
:::Screenshots
:::Splashscreens
:::Textures
:::Tool Mode screenshots
::Packaging images
::Trailer (1998)
::Trailer (1999)
::Unit Viewer images
::Wallpapers


:'''Oni Modding'''
:'''Oni Modding'''
::Modding ideas
::Modding information
::Modding information
:::Bungie scripting language docs
:::BSL docs
::::BSL functions
::::BSL variables
::::Game scripts
::::Scripting tasks
:::Engine docs
:::Modding tutorials
:::Modding tutorials
::::XML data docs
:::Oni binary data docs
:::Oni binary data docs
::Modding projects
::Modding projects
:::Modding projects by status
:::Anniversary Edition
::::Current modding projects
::::Obsolete AE mods
:::::Anniversary Edition
::::::AE to-do
::::Finished modding projects
::::Outdated modding projects
:::Modding projects by platform
::::Mac-only mods
::::Windows-only mods
::::Bi-platform mods
:::Modding projects by type
::::Animation mods
::::Character mods
::::Comprehensive mods
::::Level mods
::::Scripting mods
::::Texture mods
::::Translation mods
::::Weapon mods
::Modding tools
::Modding tools
:::Modding tools by platform
:::Modding tools by platform
::::Bi-platform modding tools
::::Mac-only modding tools
::::Mac-only modding tools
::::Windows-only modding tools
::::Windows-only modding tools
::::Bi-platform modding tools
:::Modding tools by status
:::Modding tools by status
::::Completed modding tools
::::Completed modding tools
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::::Outdated modding tools
::::Outdated modding tools


:'''Images'''
:'''Oni Support''' -- directly contains pages like Troubleshooting and Gameplay
::Art
::Combat moves
:::Art by artist
::Game directory map
::::Art by Lorraine Reyes
::Gameplay tools
::::Art by Guido
::Patches
::::Art by Craig Mullins
::Walkthroughs
::::Art by Rina
 
:::Chibi art
:'''Real World''' -- truly miscellaneous articles go at this level
:::Concept art
::Community history -- for articles about us!
::::Oni concept art
::Oni 2 influences
::::Oni 2 concept art
:::Duality
:::Dark Horse comics
:::Strident
:::Fan art -- fan art goes under here by default unless it can be described by one of the following two categories
::Oni history -- for articles about Oni as a game, and anything generally connected to Bungie
::::Second-hand art
::Oni influences
::::Project Konoko V
:::Fun images
:::Promotional art
:::Wallpapers
::Avatars and sigs
::Game images -- formerly "In-game art"
:::Oni game images
::::Fly-in portraits
::::Intro sequence
::::Outro sequence
::::Screenshots
::::Splashscreens
:::Non-Oni game images
::Images from other media -- would include the animé screenshots, pictures of the Nausicaä manga, etc.
::Logos, icons and symbols
::Modding screenshots
::OBD hex images -- current name, "OBD data images", is redundant


:'''Wiki Support'''
:'''Wiki Support'''
::Candidates for discussion
::Flagged articles
::Candidates for speedy deletion
:::Articles that need cleanup
::Policies and information
:::Articles that need deletion
:::Articles that need discussion
:::Articles that need finishing
:::Articles that need merging
:::Articles that need updating
::Policies and documentation
::Templates
::Templates
:::Administrative templates -- such as <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>
:::Administrative templates
:::Formatting templates -- anything not a table, header or footer
:::Basic formatting templates
:::General table templates
:::Header and footer templates
:::Header and footer templates
:::Macro templates -- currently "Standard terms"
:::Macro templates
:::Notice templates -- such as <nowiki>{{SeeTalkPage}}</nowiki>
:::Message box templates
:::Table templates
:::Utility templates
::Test pages
::Userspace
 
[[Category:Policies and documentation]]

Latest revision as of 20:47, 4 February 2024

Summary: The basic categories take this overall approach:

  • two for wiki management (Media for images and Wiki Support for templates and other supporting pages),
  • two for in-universe stuff (Inside Oni and Beyond Oni, for Oni 1 and Oni 2-ish, respectively),
  • one for helping people play Oni (Oni Support),
  • one for helping people mod Oni (Oni Modding), and
  • one for an outside-world approach to Oni (Real World), which will also catch the random non-Oni-related articles.

Trying to narrow the number of cat.s down from here only artificially forces together articles that are unlike each other. The fact that it makes a total of seven categories is purely coincidental, but I think it's a sign that we're doing the right thing. :-3


Contents

Beyond Oni
Added value
Fan-made games
Oni 2
Inside Oni
Characters
Events
Outro sequence
Factions
BGI
Syndicate
TCTF
WCG -- includes neutral/un-allied parties
Places
Quotes
Things
Weapons
Media
Advertisements and magazine covers
Art
Art by artist
Art by Craig Mullins
Art by DarkLitria
Art by Eric Lin
Art by geyser
Art by GTO
Art by Guido
Art by Jacen Burrows
Art by Lorraine
Art by Okita
Art by owldreamer
Art by Paradox
Art by Rina
Art by Severed
Chibi art
Concept art
Fan art
Oni 2 concept art
Fun images
Promotional art
Design elements
Avatars and signatures
Character renders
Dark Horse comics
Dark Horse comic issue 0
Dark Horse comic issue 1
Dark Horse comic issue 2
Dark Horse comic issue 3
Expo materials
Fan game images
Konoko Payne images
UnrealOni images
Images from other media
3D models
Anime, manga and comics
Location photos
OS and utility windows
Other video game images
Pictures of people
Images of character classes
Images of Comm Troopers‎
Images of Elite Strikers‎
Images of Furies‎
Images of Mad Bombers‎
Images of Mercenary Snipers
Images of Ninjas‎
Images of Strikers‎
Images of Tankers
Images of TCTF Black Ops‎ SWAT
Images of TCTF Black Ops‎ Tactical
Images of TCTF Cops‎
Images of TCTF SWAT Troopers
Images of TCTF Tactical Troopers‎
Images of Thugs‎‎
Images of characters -- any character with at least a few images gets their own subcategory
Images of Barabas
Images of Griffin
Images of Iron Demon
Images of Kerr
Images of Konoko
Konoko images by Lorraine
Konoko images by Okita
Konoko images by other official artists
Konoko model images
Images of Mukade
Images of Muro
Images of Shinatama
Logos, icons and symbols
Manual -- various language/platform versions in subcats under here
Merchandise
Modding images
Annotated screenshots
Instructional diagrams
Mod screenshots
Modding tool screenshots -- tools that don't have subcats go directly under here
AEI screenshots
Blender screenshots
Hex editor screenshots
Mod Tool OniTools screenshots
OUP screenshots
Vago screenshots
XSI Mod Tool screenshots
OBD hex images
Music
Oni (WAP) game images
Oni 2 (AS) game images
Oni game images
Developer Mode screenshots
Fly-in portraits
Intro sequence
Outro sequence
Pre-beta screenshots
Screenshots
Splashscreens
Textures
Tool Mode screenshots
Packaging images
Trailer (1998)
Trailer (1999)
Unit Viewer images
Wallpapers
Oni Modding
Modding ideas
Modding information
BSL docs
BSL functions
BSL variables
Game scripts
Scripting tasks
Engine docs
Modding tutorials
XML data docs
Oni binary data docs
Modding projects
Anniversary Edition
Obsolete AE mods
Modding tools
Modding tools by platform
Bi-platform modding tools
Mac-only modding tools
Windows-only modding tools
Modding tools by status
Completed modding tools
Modding tools under development
Outdated modding tools
Oni Support -- directly contains pages like Troubleshooting and Gameplay
Combat moves
Game directory map
Gameplay tools
Patches
Walkthroughs
Real World -- truly miscellaneous articles go at this level
Community history -- for articles about us!
Oni 2 influences
Duality
Strident
Oni history -- for articles about Oni as a game, and anything generally connected to Bungie
Oni influences
Wiki Support
Flagged articles
Articles that need cleanup
Articles that need deletion
Articles that need discussion
Articles that need finishing
Articles that need merging
Articles that need updating
Policies and documentation
Templates
Administrative templates
Basic formatting templates
General table templates
Header and footer templates
Macro templates
Message box templates
Utility templates
Test pages
Userspace
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