User:Iritscen/CategoryTree

Note to geyser: being your usual diligent self, I know you will notice this new page. The wiki seemed a good place to post this as a working document that we can use to arrive at the final tree of categories. Some parts will look familiar because they're from your original draft.

Also, just a reminder, the Category Tree extension goes hand in hand with this, so we should ask Alloc about installing it on the wiki. Without it, the only page that shows categories is Special:Categories, which lists all cat.s at all levels; CatTree will let us see the hierarchy properly, once it's in place.

Iritscen

Please don't be pedantic about "chibi" etc. If it's "chibi" to those who draw it, then it should be good enough for you. I can assure you that Russians (RedDog and SeverED included) have no idea what "SD" means. And to me as a non-native English speaker, "super deformed" sounds, well, ugly: it's an inconvenient mouthful with a teratological connotation. "Chibi" has a much more kawaii sound to it, so unless you have another Japanese term, just STFU ^_^ --geyser 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)

I wasn't specifically objecting to the word "chibi", just the category's existence. It's silly. But I can live with that. --iritscen 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)

"Contents" sounds sensible for something that's supposed to read roughly as a TOC. If you're looking for a funky name, you can call the root "Prime". --geyser 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)

"Contents" is fine, I have no problem with that. --iritscen 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)

"Early renders" is applied improperly sometimes to in-game screenshots, sometimes to stuff that was rendered after Oni was shipped. I'd delete it. --geyser 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)

Yeah, it's potentially confusing. Removed. --iritscen 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)

The "Art by Mullins" is not really fan art, and some of the art by Guido and Russian artists is project-oriented. I suggest a looser hierarchy there. --geyser 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)

Ah, looser isn't quite what's needed, I see it now; this kind of situation is meant to be handled as I've done it now, with a separate cat. for "Art by artists". As you pointed out, multiple inheritance means we can now say that some Oni 2 art is "by Guido" (and not fan art) as well as putting it under "Oni 2 concept art". --iritscen 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)

"Wallpapers" don't necessarily qualify as fan art: think screenshots, high-res versions of splashscreens, or more or less "official" wallpapers. --geyser 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)

You're right; moved it out from under Fan art. --iritscen 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)

"Humor" sounds like too general a name for humorous images. You can make that name more specific and/or allow for a more general Humor category. --geyser 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)

Er, I made it "Humor images", is that specific enough? Don't know how else it can be improved, it seems fine that way to me. --iritscen 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)

"Illustrations" is an ambiguous name, and it is counterintuitive (and in many cases wrong) how is implicitly excludes art, screenshots, etc. --geyser 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)

You're right, the word "illustrations" usually implies art. I have changed it back to using the current name, "Article illustrations". --iritscen 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)

Frames from the intro and outro don't really qualify as in-game content, as well as the splashscreens. Also, what about other games than Oni? --geyser 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)

Sorry, this is the only place I flat-out disagree with you. In-game is anything you see after double-clicking the Oni icon. As for other games/media, I've made two cat.s for those below. --iritscen 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)

I'm afraid I can't make a definitive statement on any trunk after "Images" as a whole. Just a few casual remarks right now. More, later, maybe. --geyser 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)

"Oni support" sounds like an "Out-of-universe Oni" or "Technically Oni" kind of thing. Have a quick look at Dunepedia. What about modding tutorials? --geyser 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)

Also, Halopedia uses the category "The Real World" to discuss Halo as a game, not a story. I think saying "real world" is the clearest term we can go with. Trying that for now. Still not sure yet where pages about merely Oni-related stuff would go, like "Myth" or "Nausicaa". --iritscen 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)

I wouldn't call "Templates" an "Administrative" category. Also, the categories should be named as explicitly as possible and in "... templates" --geyser 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)

Templates are definitely administrative, unless you propose making another level-1 cat. for them, which to me isn't justified. --iritscen 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)

I would have other remarks, e.g., about "Added value" or "AE" vs "Modding projects", but that'd be more or less subjective and polemical. Later. --geyser 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)

I'm not that confident about where I placed "Added value". And "AE" should probably be under "Current modding projects"; trying it under there for now to see how it looks; note that only pages directly related to your AE work would be there, none of that "all modding belongs to the AE" nonsense. :-3 --iritscen 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)

Generally, categorizing modding projects right now is hard, because the tools are in development and the perspectives are unclear. Scope creep. --geyser 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)

Nah, it's not that hard. :-3 --iritscen 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)

I think we both know by now that the Cat Tree is not really a tree, i.e., multiple parents are actually allowed. Please take this into account. --geyser 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)

Yeah, still trying to fully wrap my head around the methodology. --iritscen 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)

Category Tree Proposal

I believe all current categories are in this tree. I also renamed some, and obviously had to make a few new ones. --Iritscen
bold = new cats
italics = renamed cats
plain = current cats

Contents

Images

Art

Art by Lorraine

Chibi art

Concept art

Oni concept art

Oni 2 concept art

Dark Horse comics

Art by artist

Art by Guido

Art by Craig Mullins

Art by Rina

Fan art

Fan renders

Second-hand art

Project Konoko V

Wallpapers

Humor images

Promotional art

Avatars and sigs

Glyphs

Article illustrations -- made for articles, should not be art, but rather diagrams or screenshots of apps such as OUP

OBD hex images -- current name, "OBD data images", is redundant

In-game images -- formerly "In-game art"

Fly-in portraits

Intro sequence

Outro sequence

Screenshots

Splashscreens

Logos & icons -- need to change the ampersand to "and", though

Images from other games -- it's verbose, I know ("Non-Oni game images"?); if you have a more concise idea, I'd like to hear it

Images from other media -- "Non-Oni media"? would include the animé screenshots, pictures of the Nausicaä manga, etc.

Oni modding

BSL

Modding projects

Current modding projects -- onss that aren't finished; I foresee this as being useful; when project is done, it gets filed under a sub-cat. of "Finished" below

Anniversary Edition

AE to-do

Finished modding projects -- sub-cat.s are taken from cat.s used on Mod Depot, except added cat. for levels

Animation mods

Character mods

Comprehensive mods

Level mods -- I don't like this name, got a better idea?

Scripting mods -- currently "Scripts"

Texture mods

Translation mods

Weapon mods

Outdated modding projects

Modding tools

OBD

Real-world Oni -- for all pages with facts about Oni, that are not facts from within the Oni universe

Gameplay tools

Help -- containing pages like Troubleshooting and Gameplay

Tutorials

Pre-beta

Patches and upgrades

Oni universe

Added value

Characters

Factions

BGI

TCTF

SWAT

Syndicate

Strikers

Elite

WCG -- or should it be Civilian?

Oni 2

Weapons -- for your wanted cat. "Campbell Equalizer", etc.

Administrative

Candidates for discussion

Candidates for speedy deletion

Policies and guidelines

Templates

Administrative templates -- such as {{delete}}

Formatting templates -- anything not a table, header or footer

Header and footer templates

Macro templates -- currently "Standard terms"

Notice templates -- such as {{SeeTalkPage}}

Table templates