OBD talk:BINA/OBJC/CMBT

CMBT "sorta improvement" project - discussion

Original 19 profiles are:

Name	ID	Behavior part					Combat part					Non-combatant part				Alarm behavior
		long range	medium range	short range	medium retreat	long retreat	long/medium range	medium/short range	pursuit range	melee override	if no gun	panic hurt	panic gunfire	panic melee	panic sight	search distance	enemy ignore distance	enemy attack distance	damage treshold	fight timer
Stand_and_Fire	0	hold and fire					120	40	200	if punched	melee	600	900	600	1200	300	80	0	30	300
Sniper	0xCF=207	hold and fire					200	20	10	no	melee	600	900	600	1200	300	80	0	30	300
Take_my_Big_Black_Stuff	3	stare					200	40	200	no	melee	600	900	600	1200	300	80	0	30	300
Assault	4	firing charge		hold and fire	firing charge	hold and fire	200	40	200	no	melee	600	900	600	1200	300	80	0	30	300
Shoot_And_Fight	2	firing charge	hold and fire			firing charge	200	40	400	if punched	melee	600	900	600	1200	1000	80	0	30	300
Murder	1	hold and fire					50	20	20	if punched	melee	600	900	600	1200	300	80	0	30	300
Civilian	5	stare					200	100	200	no	retreat	600	900	600	1200	300	80	0	30	300
Pursuit	6	firing charge		hold and fire	firing charge		200	40	0	if punched	melee	600	900	600	1200	300	80	0	30	300
Group_battle	7	hold and fire					100	20	10	if punched	retreat	600	900	600	1200	300	80	0	30	300
Watchman	8	hold and fire					200	40	0	if punched	melee	600	900	600	1200	300	80	0	30	300
Barabbas_TCTF	9	Barabbas advance	Barabbas shoot	Barabbas melee	Barabbas shoot	Barabbas advance	170	30	0	short range	melee	600	900	600	1200	300	80	0	30	300
COMGUY	0x0a=10	hold and fire					200	40	200	no	run to alarm	600	900	600	1200	300	80	0	30	300
SuperNinja	0x0b=11	Superninja fireball	Superninja advance	Superninja melee	Superninja advance	Superninja fireball	90	40	0	no	melee	600	900	600	1200	300	80	0	30	300
Griffin	0x0c=12	firing charge	hold and fire			firing charge	200	40	200	if punched	retreat	600	900	600	1200	300	80	0	30	300
Alarm Guard	0x0e=14	firing charge	hold and fire	melee	hold and fire	firing charge	200	40	1000	no	melee	600	900	600	1200	300	80	0	30	300
Mutant_Muro	0x0d=13	Muro thunderbolt	Mutant Muro melee			Muro thunderbolt	120	40	0	always melee	melee	600	900	600	1200	300	80	0	30	300
Sniper For Joe	0xd0=208	hold and fire					400	50	10	if punched	melee	600	900	600	1200	300	80	0	30	300
Non-Combatant	0x0f=15	none					200	40	200	short range	melee	600	600	600	600	300	80	0	30	300
Griffin_Final	0x10=16	firing charge	hold and fire			firing charge	200	40	200	no	melee	600	900	600	1200	300	80	0	30	300

New profiles are:

Name	ID	Behavior part					Combat part					Non-combatant part				Alarm behavior
		long range	medium range	short range	medium retreat	long retreat	long/medium range	medium/short range	pursuit range	melee override	if no gun	panic hurt	panic gunfire	panic melee	panic sight	search distance	enemy ignore distance	enemy attack distance	damage treshold	fight timer
Default	0	none					0	0	0	no	melee	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
Average_striker	0x11=17	firing charge	hold and fire			firing charge	150	50	100	short range	melee	0	0	0	0	500	75	50	30	180

Looking at your latest edits, you really did a great job, man...

I wouldn't discuss the possibilities or plan the modding here.

For that I recommend the Talk pages of the respective resources.

geyser 18:59, 25 July 2007 (CEST)

About CMBT and MELE - public releases would of course be single OBJC.

But for "experts" you could release single chunks: easier to work with.

Or you can put such wiki-tables on display: maybe it's even better...

geyser 18:59, 25 July 2007 (CEST)

As for weapons: feel free to release ONWC with firing-spreads ASAP.

Whatever tweaking is needed in the ONCC, it can be added later.

geyser 18:59, 25 July 2007 (CEST)

As for Rugby and CTF: the parameters are "still very promising".

Maybe there's enough for me to get started, but I'm not sure yet.

Tackling is good, but for Rugby there'll have to be sliding, too.

Note that sliding is not the only option: running kicks work too.

geyser 18:59, 25 July 2007 (CEST)

Generally, I would recommend to add new CMBT/MELE/etc to the OBJC.

It's better to test and to compare: just change an ID in the CHAR.

Then, when you're done, you can keep the many profiles in the OBJC

(just flip the IDs between the old MELEE/CMBT and the improved one)

geyser 18:59, 25 July 2007 (CEST)

As for the unknown parts of the TRAM, they're almost known now.

The "danger zone" is a rough test for incoming melee attacks.

The "extent" part is an additional, much finer collision test.

It's not actually a real-time collision - more like prediction.

The AI know where the damage-dealing volume will be.

Depending on how close it "would come", they dodge/block/etc.

There's not much room for improvement there, but it's OK.

geyser 18:59, 25 July 2007 (CEST)

Finished table of original content, made new table for new content, suggested first new CMBT profile Default. I keep in mind what you have said (extend original instead of replacing), but this profile is IMO the must to replace Stand_and_Fire. Point is that char with it will just stand as a dummy, indicating to you that he has no CMBT profile or wrong value is inputed in CHAR.

Loser 21:15, 25 July 2007 (CEST)

I thought the original CHAR already used -1 for that...

geyser 00:20, 26 July 2007 (CEST)

TRAM stuff looks hot. Mwhehehe. BTW I have came across strange bug in lookup routines. When you fall from great height and you die, or if you are punched/kicked in mid-air, you should go not into knockdown anim (that is just a substitute) but to land_dead anim. But the whole this is messed up somehow, so engine keeps using knockdown anims.

Loser 21:15, 25 July 2007 (CEST)

As for lookups, we'll probably get extensive info from Neo Soon(TM)... basically a decompiled Totoro.

As for collision prediction, we haven't figured the extent part etc completely yet. It's a bit messy.

Anyway, I think improved MELE will be plenty enough. Prediction data is not meant for manual editing.

geyser 00:20, 26 July 2007 (CEST)

BTW, the reason why the MELE checks the ONCC for techniques is very probably the ONCC's TRAC.

When and if we make all the ONCC global, we will no longer need those duplicates for thugs...

Actually, what happens if a CHAR has a MELE ID which looks for an ONCC that is not present?

geyser 00:20, 26 July 2007 (CEST)

New CMBT profile added- Average_striker. It is designed for normal "come'n'go" Syndicate strikers , altough other classes can use it, too. And I will (probably tomorrow) write something about link between "CMBT melee override" and "ONWC minimal shooting distance". Now I don't have time + I have to check if I am correct or not.

--Loser 17:56, 28 July 2007 (CEST)

Just a note: I came across the message "pursuit mode 'Hunt' not yet implemented" in the Airport Level after the Sp2

EdT