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==Daodan Chrysalis== | ==Daodan Chrysalis== | ||
===Hasegawa's motive=== | ===Hasegawa's motive and criticism=== | ||
: [[Quotes/Speech#Intro_4|12_43_11]] Hasegawa: "The world outside the Atmospheric Processors is poisonous. If something isn't done we are all doomed. Jamie's death won't be in vain. '''I'm going to do something about the nightmare that killed her.''' Her brother will help me. He misses her as much as I do." | |||
The Daodan was here and then criticized to be unethical especially by geyser. (But I'm happy he did. That way we have more points of view). He said that with the Daodan a human loses / gives up a not unimportant amount of control over his body and mind - at least there's a potential threat that it can happen. | |||
* Sort of ''just look what happened to Muro''. In that point I disagree: Muro's personality might be the one of an anarchist but it could be very possibly formed by education / influences of an certain super-criminal organization and not by the Daodan. | |||
* Also in his opinion Kerr is [http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=273#p273 biased] against Mai: The preservation of Mai personality is a wishful thinking. Indeed, it would be interesting to know from where Kerr takes the assumption that the personality change the Daodan body and not vice versa. | |||
: [[Quotes/Speech#Scanner_room|13_65_35]] Kerr: "You are who you have always been. The Chrysalis can't change that. The effect of the mutation is influenced by the subject's nature." | |||
More speculation on Daodan body and mind in the section "[[#Explanation_attempt_of_the_biological_dimension|explanation attempt]] [...]". | |||
At least Kerr admits that the Daodan is unknown terrain in aspect of genetics. | |||
: 13_65_31 Kerr: Yes. We weren't sure what kind of mutation the prototypes would produce. | |||
And now we are back to the term "control". I think it's one of our greatest modern fears to lose control. Also, having control means to be responsible and hence giving up control can be irresponsible. So, I think geyser described well the fears one can have. In total the Daodan can be feared in three ways: missing control, emerging unknown, and possible (or not) mind changes. | |||
We are used to the thinking that having control is good. But what if Hasegawa thought about the opposite. Maybe he came to the conclusion that the world is in the hands of too many ''unwise'' men and so giving up control in that very situation cannot be so unethical ... | |||
A '''draft''' of an ''ethic vs. death'' dialog. | A '''draft''' of an ''ethic vs. death'' dialog. | ||
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:Hasegawa: "You need many to change a society, especially this one. And we here ... are less than my hand has fingers! If society's intelligence can't ensure our survival then I will empower the human body to do it." | :Hasegawa: "You need many to change a society, especially this one. And we here ... are less than my hand has fingers! If society's intelligence can't ensure our survival then I will empower the human body to do it." | ||
Pensatore: "You are going to give up all the control we | Pensatore: "You are going to give up all the control we achieved over the last [[wikipedia:Behavioral_modernity|50 thousand years]]..." | ||
Hasegawa: "Control won't be vanished here, but become rebalanced. Think of it as an inner safeguard system | :Hasegawa: "Control won't be vanished here, but become rebalanced. Think of it as an inner safeguard system organized as a simple biocracy. All cells contribute to a collective knowledge. And then, what needs to be done will be done. No interfering interest of others, no foul compromises." | ||
Pensatore: "I will say it again: this is unethical. Think about the consequences. Chaos and fear will lead us into an unseen | Pensatore: "I will say it again: this is unethical. Think about the consequences. Chaos and fear will lead us into an unseen catastrophe." | ||
:Hasegawa: "Here's the point you are equal to them. Faced by allegedly unknown you start to panic! - We live within evolution and this brings up always unknown things. All I do is speeding things up. To protect our bodies against wrong decidions of our minds!" | :Hasegawa: "Here's the point you are equal to them. Faced by allegedly unknown you start to panic! - We live within evolution and this brings up always unknown things. All I do is speeding things up. To protect our bodies against wrong decidions of our minds!" | ||
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Ninety percent of cells that can be found on and inside the human body aren't his own but microorganisms. Fortunately they weigh only a half up to one kilogram. Their assemblage is known as human flora. Depending on the organism, one of them can be a ''[[wikipedia:Squatting|squatter]]'' (in metaphorical sense) against real health threatening germs or another one can hold an actual ability like [[wikipedia:Vitamin_K|vitamin K production]]. | Ninety percent of cells that can be found on and inside the human body aren't his own but microorganisms. Fortunately they weigh only a half up to one kilogram. Their assemblage is known as human flora. Depending on the organism, one of them can be a ''[[wikipedia:Squatting|squatter]]'' (in metaphorical sense) against real health threatening germs or another one can hold an actual ability like [[wikipedia:Vitamin_K|vitamin K production]]. | ||
Some abilities can't be simply or sufficiently integrated into an organism but | Some abilities can't be simply or sufficiently integrated into an organism but its product can be received from a symbiont. | ||
So, it seems likely to enlist microorganisms for more sensory tasks and abilities which are actually alien to the human. For this reason, the Daodan needs to upgrade the microorganisms' genomes as well. Their totality is called microbiome. | So, it seems likely to enlist microorganisms for more sensory tasks and abilities which are actually alien to the human. For this reason, the Daodan needs to upgrade the microorganisms' genomes as well. Their totality is called microbiome. | ||
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Abhängig vom jeweiligen Mikroorganismus kann er beispielsweise „Platzbesetzer“ gegenüber einem wirklich schädlichen Keim sein oder er kann ein echte Fähigkeit haben wie die Produktion von Vitamin K. | Abhängig vom jeweiligen Mikroorganismus kann er beispielsweise „Platzbesetzer“ gegenüber einem wirklich schädlichen Keim sein oder er kann ein echte Fähigkeit haben wie die Produktion von Vitamin K. | ||
Manche Fähigkeiten lassen sich nicht so einfach oder nur unzureichend in einen Organismus integrieren. | Manche Fähigkeiten lassen sich nicht so einfach oder nur unzureichend in einen Organismus integrieren. Ihr Produkt kann aber durch einen Symbiosepartner geliefert werden. | ||
Es ist also naheliegend die Mikroorganismen für weitere Sensorik und eigentlich humanfremde Fähigkeiten heranzuziehen. Aus diesem Grund muss die Daodan auch die Genome der Mikroorganismen, zusammengefasst Mikrobiom genannt, aufrüsten. | Es ist also naheliegend die Mikroorganismen für weitere Sensorik und eigentlich humanfremde Fähigkeiten heranzuziehen. Aus diesem Grund muss die Daodan auch die Genome der Mikroorganismen, zusammengefasst Mikrobiom genannt, aufrüsten. | ||
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===Speculation about brain components=== | ===Speculation about brain components=== | ||
'''first generation''' | |||
[...] | |||
'''second generation''' | |||
SLDs might use nanospintronics components. They feature: | SLDs might use nanospintronics components. They feature: | ||
* higher energy efficiency - no electric current needed, less energy used | * higher energy efficiency - no electric current needed, less energy used | ||
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: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test#Real_intelligence_vs_simulated_intelligence Turing said:] "I do not wish to give the impression that I think there is no mystery about consciousness. There is, for instance, something of a paradox connected with any attempt to localise it." | : [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turing_test#Real_intelligence_vs_simulated_intelligence Turing said:] "I do not wish to give the impression that I think there is no mystery about consciousness. There is, for instance, something of a paradox connected with any attempt to localise it." | ||
So, simulating life although we don't understand its creation fits into this logic. <u>Humans often often physical phenomena even before they fully understood them.</u> For instance, the atomic force for power plants or phase changing materials in in data discs. [http://www.scienceknowledge.org/2011/01/28/the-phase-change-materials-dvd-decrypted-by-the-super-computer/ (Eng)] [http://www.g-o.de/wissen-aktuell-13372-2011-05-04.html (Ger)]<!--alternativ: http://kefk.org/forschung/physik/phase.change.materials.datenspeicher.mit.langzeit.gedaechtnis--> <u>Making things work is sometimes enough.</u> | <font color="#AAAAAA">So, simulating life although we don't understand its creation fits into this logic. <u>Humans often often physical phenomena even before they fully understood them.</u> For instance, the atomic force for power plants or phase changing materials in in data discs. [http://www.scienceknowledge.org/2011/01/28/the-phase-change-materials-dvd-decrypted-by-the-super-computer/ (Eng)] [http://www.g-o.de/wissen-aktuell-13372-2011-05-04.html (Ger)]<!--alternativ: http://kefk.org/forschung/physik/phase.change.materials.datenspeicher.mit.langzeit.gedaechtnis--> <u>Making things work is sometimes enough.</u></font> (revision needed) | ||
According to wikipedia the idea of artificial intelligence was born [[wikipedia:History_of_artificial_intelligence#The_birth_of_artificial_intelligence_1943.E2.88.921956|in 1943]] and since then many scientists have tried to create an AI. There are some different attempts to program an AI. So far no attempt succeeded. | According to wikipedia the idea of artificial intelligence was born [[wikipedia:History_of_artificial_intelligence#The_birth_of_artificial_intelligence_1943.E2.88.921956|in 1943]] and since then many scientists have tried to create an AI. There are some different attempts to program an AI. So far no attempt succeeded. | ||