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-| Explains that Konoko's smile doesn't mean she is happy to be with Mukade. She could be contemplating the irony, or perhaps it's her Chrysalis that is happy, resonating with Mukade's. Didn't spend much time conceptualizing bike, just wanted a "small assault vehicle". [Posts a rough sketch, link is broken now, but I suspect this is [[:Image:GUIDO_Mai_Tandem_2.jpg|the pic]] I linked to in post #142's summary.]
+| Explains that Konoko's smile doesn't mean she is happy to be with Mukade. She could be contemplating the irony, or perhaps it's her Chrysalis that is happy, resonating with Mukade's. Didn't spend much time conceptualizing bike, just wanted a "small assault vehicle". Posts a rough sketch, link is broken now [I suspect this is [[:Image:GUIDO_Mai_Tandem_2.jpg|the pic]] I linked to in post #142's summary].
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-| [Posts pic assembled from various sources to illustrate Konoko's "metabike".]
+| Posts pic assembled from various sources to illustrate Konoko's "metabike".
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-| Points to Dark Horse's take on the ninja rods, but he doesn't think much of it. [ [[:Image:Okita_-_Ninja_2.JPG|Here's the real answer]], per the guy who put the rods there, with a link to the Dark Horse comic's idea.]
+| Points to Dark Horse's take on the ninja rods, but he doesn't think much of it. [Here's [[:Image:Okita_-_Ninja_2.JPG|the real answer]], per the guy who put the rods there, with a link to the Dark Horse comic's idea.]
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-| Suggests that Mai and Mukade will have to learn that the Daodan is not the final answer, and overcome their fears so they don't lose themselves [I'm not totally sure I follow what guido is saying here]. Mai will need to learn to trust her father and/or someone else, and learn from Mukade. Interprets Mai's line "The Chrysalis will change us all" to refer to the changes she and Muro have brought about; the question is whether a new seed can be planted in this soil of chaos. Her "father's work" refers to something a figurative change in humankind's perspective, not to giving everyone the Daodan [again, I feel like I'm translating a language I don't know here, this is a really difficult post for me]. A failed Imago such as Mai is like someone who refuses to grow up. But a failed Imago will still age, so 20 years is too long. He doesn't see Mai sleeping in some kind of suspended animation. Let's make it more like 7 years. The story could have three phases: Konoko struggling for control over her Chrysalis; then deciding to become an Imago to save the world; in the climax, we are introduced to the Seed, "and new horizons will arise". Likes idea of Meta Industries. They think that technology is the answer to all their problems. "In some sense Metaindustires are repeating the same errors from the past, and someone would have to change it." But he doesn't see Meta tech as being refined and elegant; they are always rushing to move to the next level, so their machines are built hastily. They also need to appear rarely, and be somewhat unstable, maybe dangerous to use, albeit capable of amazing things. Likens to concept of "If I had a Trow..." in Myth.
+| Suggests that Mai and Mukade will have to learn that the Daodan is not the final answer, and overcome their fears so they don't lose themselves [I'm not totally sure I follow what guido is saying here]. Mai will need to learn to trust her father and/or someone else, and learn from Mukade. Interprets Mai's line "The Chrysalis will change us all" to refer to the changes she and Muro have brought about; the question is whether a new seed can be planted in this soil of chaos. Her "father's work" refers to something like a figurative change in humankind's perspective, not to giving everyone the Daodan [again, I feel like I'm translating a language I don't know here, this is a really difficult post for me]. A failed Imago such as Mai is like someone who refuses to grow up. But a failed Imago will still age, so 20 years is too long. He doesn't see Mai sleeping in some kind of suspended animation. Let's make it more like 7 years. The story could have three phases: Konoko struggling for control over her Chrysalis; then deciding to become an Imago to save the world; in the climax, we are introduced to the Seed, "and new horizons will arise". Likes idea of Meta Industries. They think that technology is the answer to all their problems. "In some sense Metaindustires are repeating the same errors from the past, and someone would have to change it." But he doesn't see Meta tech as being refined and elegant; they are always rushing to move to the next level, so their machines are built hastily. They also need to appear rarely, and be somewhat unstable, maybe dangerous to use, albeit capable of amazing things. Likens to concept of "If I had a Trow..." in Myth.
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 | Wasn't geyser against "primitive weapons" like katanas [which Mai is holding in geyser's Meta bike concept art]? Attacking with swords would mean blood spraying all over the place in a fight. Wonders if ninjas could be aliens, which would also explain their masks and wide-set eyes. The back rods are probably batteries, which power their moves, because there is an electricity effect on their moves, and their back glows during some attacks such as punch_heavy [is this true?]. Suggests that Metabike wheels could be used as shields, or even still used like rollerblades once powerless; they would still save energy over running on foot.
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+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=17#post_3232 here]
+| geyser
+| Project
+| He is against primitive weapons, it was just a sample image. Doesn't think bulky masks make sense for ninjas; what's the point of even masking their voices when they're supposed to be silent? They might be experimental SLDs made by Mukade. Maybe the masks are just to create a sense of "group psychology". Likes Your_Mom's idea about backpacks -- if they are cyborgs, then the backpack might even contain a confined Daodan biomass as a booster. Doesn't want to keep Metabike around as a shield or "rollerblades" when it's run out of gas, as it would weigh down Mai, and we want the player to discard the Bike when it's an encumbrance.
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+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=17#post_3235 here]
+| Seventeen Seconds
+| Project
+| Tells guido that he has a script that he would love to work with him on for a graphic novel. He has tried to keep community's wishes and developers' intent in mind when writing it, and will post a rough draft when it's ready.
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+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=17#post_3236 here]
+| owldreamer
+| Project
+| Posts a new render of Hikari.
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+| 174
+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=17#post_3238 here]
+| geyser
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+| 175
+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=17#post_3240 here]
+| Your_Mom
+| Project
+| Obscuring their voices would make sense if the ninjas sometimes appear in public in plainclothes to track someone, or to infiltrate a group. Agrees that ninjas don't have to be aliens, likes SLD idea better. Metabike would not weight down Mai as a shield because the motors would stay attached to her legs or get thrown away; the remaining wheel is much lighter. Agrees that it would be more difficult for Mai to move, and she could be knocked down more easily.
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+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=17#post_3279 here]
+| guido
+| Project
+| Asks to see 17sec's story. Posts another broken art link [apparently [[:Image:GUIDO_Mai_VS_an_SLD.jpg|this one]]].
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+| 177
+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=17#post_3281 here]
+| owldreamer
+| Project
+| Likes guido's sketch, but what is he doing to Hikari?! Is optimizing Hikari's 3D model.
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+| 178
+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=17#post_3283 here]
+| Your_Mom
+| Project
+| Doesn't think it's Hikari, just an incomplete SLD.
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+| 179
+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=17#post_3286 here]
+| geyser
+| Project
+| Doesn't think it's Hikari either. Points to [[Strident]] as something akin to Oni 2. Wants to have Metabike talk in another thread.
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+| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=17#post_3345 here]
+| guido
+| Project
+| Replying to geyser's post [#167] taking issue with guido's figurative interpretation of Konoko's outro monologue. We don't know how much time has passed, so Konoko could have had the time to reflect on the situation. She sees the results of her action and feels sympathy and guilt. Since a person taking action on a large scale is bound to bring about not just their good intentions, but much damage as well, Mai is stating that the Chrysalises have changed humanity in that Daodan hosts have brought an end to the old world through their aggressiveness. Reiterates his notion that the Daodan inside a host leads to a permanent state of struggle in Mai and Mukade, who don't give in to the "oblivion", and become stronger as a result. This realization could take place during the time of Oni 2. Likens process to a flower becoming a fruit; one thing of beauty is replaced by something else. The Daodan host can't exactly control the process, but they can choose a path to go down. Lastly, the large changes brought about in Oni, and the world problems that have been brought to light, are likely to lead to large countermeasures. The resulting state of emergency, or martial law, could be seen as an analogue to Mai's mental resistance to the changing force of the Daodan.
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