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| Replying to geyser's post [#167] taking issue with guido's figurative interpretation of Konoko's outro monologue. We don't know how much time has passed, so Konoko could have had the time to reflect on the situation. She sees the results of her action and feels sympathy and guilt. Since a person taking action on a large scale is bound to bring about not just their good intentions, but much damage as well, Mai is stating that the Chrysalises have changed humanity in that Daodan hosts have brought an end to the old world through their aggressiveness. Reiterates his notion that the Daodan inside a host leads to a permanent state of struggle in Mai and Mukade, who don't give in to the "oblivion", and become stronger as a result. This realization could take place during the time of Oni 2. Likens process to a flower becoming a fruit; one thing of beauty is replaced by something else. The Daodan host can't exactly control the process, but they can choose a path to go down. Lastly, the large changes brought about in Oni, and the world problems that have been brought to light, are likely to lead to large countermeasures. The resulting state of emergency, or martial law, could be seen as an analogue to Mai's mental resistance to the changing force of the Daodan. | | Replying to geyser's post [#167] taking issue with guido's figurative interpretation of Konoko's outro monologue. We don't know how much time has passed, so Konoko could have had the time to reflect on the situation. She sees the results of her action and feels sympathy and guilt. Since a person taking action on a large scale is bound to bring about not just their good intentions, but much damage as well, Mai is stating that the Chrysalises have changed humanity in that Daodan hosts have brought an end to the old world through their aggressiveness. Reiterates his notion that the Daodan inside a host leads to a permanent state of struggle in Mai and Mukade, who don't give in to the "oblivion", and become stronger as a result. This realization could take place during the time of Oni 2. Likens process to a flower becoming a fruit; one thing of beauty is replaced by something else. The Daodan host can't exactly control the process, but they can choose a path to go down. Lastly, the large changes brought about in Oni, and the world problems that have been brought to light, are likely to lead to large countermeasures. The resulting state of emergency, or martial law, could be seen as an analogue to Mai's mental resistance to the changing force of the Daodan. | ||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=18#post_3346 here] | |||
| guido | |||
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| Posts more Hikari art (broken link). | |||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=18#post_3347 here] | |||
| guido | |||
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| Posts more Hikari art (broken link). | |||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=18#post_3350 here] | |||
| owldreamer | |||
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| Likes guido's art. Wonders what kind of clothes Hikari should wear. | |||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=18#post_3368 here] | |||
| geyser | |||
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| Agrees with analogy between Mai's state of mind and the state of the populace, but does guido intend to say that the people should just give in to their destiny of being ruled by a "dehumanizing government"? Doesn't see a Daodan host as changing into some final form. The change is ongoing and never ends -- "constant evolution towards nothing in particular". Thinks that the interesting part of the premise is that it never ends. Also, the Daodan and Mai could be seen as improving each other cooperatively (the Daodan brings the physical component and Mai brings the mind), rather than being at war. Doesn't think that we should expect Mai et al. to accept some mysterious "destiny" and allow themselves to transform into something that may be "evil incarnate" or simply a tool in some larger plan. Points out that guido's ironic interpretation of Konoko's outro speech makes the line about "salvation" particularly hard to understand. Questions whether anyone even had an optimistic view of how the Chrysalis would be used, besides Hasegawa. And why would Hasegawa try to treat the symptoms of the problem using the Chrysalis instead of fighting the pollution? Disagrees with guido's interpretation meaning that any real societal issues were "revealed" by Konoko blowing up the ACCs. Her actions don't somehow prove the WCG to be in the wrong. Rather, people are now desperately trying to survive somehow in a polluted world, due to an action one person took impulsively. Perhaps the Daodan does have deeper meaning as part of some ET plan, but that would be a subject for another sequel after Oni 2. | |||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=18#post_3369 here] | |||
| caddy | |||
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| Suggests that if a race of immaterial beings needed host bodies in order to survive, then perhaps they are behind the pollution that is encroaching on civilization. The Daodan could be the means by which they inhabit a body, and in order to promote its use, they have created the current ecological crisis. However, they may not have anticipated that the material beings would invent ACCs to tame the pollution. Thus, they had to influence Konoko to blow them up. | |||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=18#post_3370 here] | |||
| Your_Mom | |||
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| Thinks Konoko was foolish not to destroy the dish instead of destroying the ACCs. Hasegawa knew that the Chrysalis was needed because he saw that the ACCs were not going to solve the problem. The problem was not going to go away, and in fact was getting worse. The world's reliance on ACCs was bad precisely because it was a weak point for someone like Muro to attack. Disagrees with entire idea of having a higher intelligence planning things from behind the scenes. Disagrees with idea of never-ending evolution of the Daodan host; Kerr said "Whatever your <u>final</u> form...". Thinks that Kerr was telling the truth about this final form being an expression of one's true nature. We simply have to look at Muro for an example of this; he was evil, so he became monstrous in form. That <u>was</u> his final form. Nowhere does the game indicate that the Daodan is going to take away one's humanity, but rather the host's mind influences the way that the host's body turns out. | |||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=18#post_3371 here] | |||
| geyser | |||
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| Agrees that caddy's idea is one possible interpretation of the Daodan not being so benevolent. At the very least this idea can be used as a sort of red herring while Mai and others are trying to figure out what is really going on. Perhaps Mai even wonders if she was being influenced to blow the ACCs (which may or may not be true). Perhaps guido's "benevolent intentions" idea can also be floated as a possibility for the player and for Mai as she investigates. Reiterates that the idea of giving everyone Chrysalises, which Konoko seems to support, is a really bad idea considering how Muro turned out. Reiterates that Kerr didn't know anything about how the Chrysalis experiment would turn out. ACCs were working perfectly well at keeping pollution at bay two decades after Hasegawa was saying the sky was falling. People could walk around freely without masks, etc. | |||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=18#post_3389 here] | |||
| geyser | |||
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| Likes idea in guido's art of Mai fighting SLDs as they come off an assembly line. Not sure that they should be able to be manufactured so quickly, though. Perhaps the finished SLDs are put on ice, but Konoko's intrusion causes them to be thawed out and attack her. Perhaps she even encounters Barabas++ in one cryo-chamber. | |||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=18#post_3392 here] | |||
| Your_Mom | |||
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| Disagrees that Kerr was ignorant about the Daodan. He knew there would be a transformation into a final form, didn't he? And that's what happened with Muro. Why wouldn't scientists like Hasegawa and Kerr have tested the Chrysalis first, as a prototype, before making Mai's and Muro's Chrysalises? After all, they designed it to save the human race. And geyser hasn't addressed the fact that if an ACC shut down, people would start dying. The pollution is very visible in the sky in some levels. And Red Strikers do wear gas masks [and has everyone forgotten about Hapécat?!?]. And why there so few people out and about? | |||
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| [http://konokoffin.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=18#post_3395 here] | |||
| geyser | |||
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| Does not see pollution in levels' skyboxes. Some levels are at sunset and so the sky is orange in one direction and purple in the other; just like our skies, except that the skyboxes are garish. There's also solar panels [where?], so there can't be too much smog getting in the way of the sun. And some high-level enemies/cops do get masks, but those are part of their full-body armor. Civilians, on the other hand, walk around in casual clothing. Just because Muro became monstrous, that doesn't mean it was a full representation of his true nature. The transformation was hasty and inexact, a caricature. And no one implanted a Chrysalis to save the human race. The Syndicate wanted a human bomb, and Griffin wanted a countermeasure. Does not think that Hasegawa was in his right mind when initiating the Daodan project. After all, if he knew that someone could turn out like Mutant Muro did, then wouldn't a world of Daodan hosts lead to Armageddon? So perhaps he was under some intangible influence. And since they were made to implant the Chrysalises, they probably were not sure yet what would happen. It's strange that Hasegawa thought he could develop the Chrysalis under the Syndicate and <u>not</u> have them take over the project at some point; perhaps he even planned it this way. The reason there's so few people milling about is that thugs are running around with guns, TCTF is closing off the perimeter, etc. Maybe the cities have curfews. Besides which, we know the engine wasn't ready for lots of civilians and cars driving around. | |||
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