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| Perhaps the ninja rods are "blood-scrubbers that hyper- | | Perhaps the ninja rods are "blood-scrubbers that hyper-oxygenate the bloodstream and remove lactic acid so they can run down Konoko." Points out Hardy's statement about Mukade and Mai acting towards each other as "super predators", not as dad and daughter. Mukade shouldn't be brought back because his killing showed Mai crossing an important moral boundary. If he is explored, he shouldn't be made to be Konoko's dad, in order to develop Mukade as his own character and keep separate the question of why Hasegawa abandoned his family. He would be an awkward fit in an Oni 2 story and would tend to hijack the plot towards himself. There are other ways for him to appear in the story without actually being revived. Suggests to guido that they try to illustrate the Oni 2 story he has on paper [this would become the [[Wasteland Flowers]] project]. | ||
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| Does not see pollution in levels' skyboxes. Some levels are at sunset and so the sky is orange in one direction and purple in the other; just like our skies, except that the skyboxes are garish. There's also solar panels [where?], so there can't be too much smog getting in the way of the sun. And some high-level enemies/cops do get masks, but those are part of their full-body armor. Civilians, on the other hand, walk around in casual clothing. Just because Muro became monstrous, that doesn't mean it was a full representation of his true nature. The transformation was hasty and inexact, a caricature. And no one implanted a Chrysalis to save the human race. The Syndicate wanted a human bomb, and Griffin wanted a countermeasure. Does not think that Hasegawa was in his right mind when initiating the Daodan project. After all, if he knew that someone could turn out like Mutant Muro did, then wouldn't a world of Daodan hosts lead to Armageddon? So perhaps he was under some intangible influence. And since they were made to implant the Chrysalises, they probably were not sure yet what would happen. It's strange that Hasegawa thought he could develop the Chrysalis under the Syndicate and <u>not</u> have them take over the project at some point; perhaps he even planned it this way. The reason there's so few people milling about is that thugs are running around with guns, TCTF is closing off the perimeter, etc. Maybe the cities have curfews. Besides which, we know the engine wasn't ready for lots of civilians and cars driving around. | | Does not see pollution in levels' skyboxes. Some levels are at sunset and so the sky is orange in one direction and purple in the other; just like our skies, except that the skyboxes are garish. There's also solar panels [where?], so there can't be too much smog getting in the way of the sun. And some high-level enemies/cops do get masks, but those are part of their full-body armor. Civilians, on the other hand, walk around in casual clothing. Just because Muro became monstrous, that doesn't mean it was a full representation of his true nature. The transformation was hasty and inexact, a caricature. And no one implanted a Chrysalis to save the human race. The Syndicate wanted a human bomb, and Griffin wanted a countermeasure. Does not think that Hasegawa was in his right mind when initiating the Daodan project. After all, if he knew that someone could turn out like Mutant Muro did, then wouldn't a world of Daodan hosts lead to Armageddon? So perhaps he was under some intangible influence. And since they were made to implant the Chrysalises, they probably were not sure yet what would happen. It's strange that Hasegawa thought he could develop the Chrysalis under the Syndicate and <u>not</u> have them take over the project at some point; perhaps he even planned it this way. The reason there's so few people milling about is that thugs are running around with guns, TCTF is closing off the perimeter, etc. Maybe the cities have curfews. Besides which, we know the engine wasn't ready for lots of civilians and cars driving around. | ||
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| Still thinks that masks on Strikers are significant and thinks skyboxes look unnatural. If there was a curfew, why are there people at the airport? Discounts geyser's statement that the engine was too limited to have more cars and people. Hasegawa might have simply been driven by grief when starting the Daodan project. If Chrysalises weren't originally meant to be implanted, then what were they for? Will TCTF exist in Oni 2? | |||
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| Agrees that TCTF would no longer be around. Airport level could simply take place before curfew. If those masks are for filtering air, why would only high-level troops have them? And civilians don't seem to need them.... Doesn't think that Hasegawa's grief would allow him to overlook the dangers of the project. The skyboxes are just ugly and garish, that's the only reason for slight differences in color from reality. You aren't even allowed to see a whole sky in Oni's levels, because there's no sun. Reiterates that the engine was too limited to allow for more civilian activity. Suggests that explanations for Hasegawa's actions can be ambiguous; we can have multiple options. If Hikari can change her skin's color, can she wear a "chameleon" skin or some form of phase cloak? | |||
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| The skyboxes are actually some of the better textures in the game. There's a lens flare if you look up at where the sun should be. Bungie at least could have made more cars in cutscenes. And not every level is barricaded -- you can run freely around the outside of TCTF HQ. There's not even any traffic lights, let alone traffic! Is unsatisfied with a lack of explanation for Hasegawa's actions; why start a project to save the world using funds from criminals? If he was behaving so irrationally, why did Kerr work with him? Points out that long-term phase cloaking causes cellular damage; this would not be a problem for an SLD! | |||
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| SLDs are made from organics too, although Hikari is a more mechanical kind of android. Prefers to stay away from topics like invisible walls in levels and other obvious limitations of the game technology. Re: adding more moving cars, Bungie couldn't even make the Warehouse truck's doors move with the truck. There are solar panels and civilians don't wear masks; that's as much as we need to know to understand that the air isn't heavily polluted, end of story. Hasegawa's connection to the Syndicate was probably not direct enough for Kerr to become aware of the danger. Kerr is rather submissive and naive, too, as seen in Oni, so he simply follows where Hasegawa leads. Questions how anyone knows what really happened to Jamie, as only witness was Hasegawa; why was he carrying a gun, anyway? Maybe that "virus" that was killing Jamie was just a cover story. Maybe the 'global poisoning' was a fabrication. Either Hasegawa was being manipulated, and really believed the things he wrote and really thought working under the Syndicate was a good idea, or else he had some ulterior motive. Maybe he expected the Syndicate to take over at some point. Maybe the goal was to use the Daodan as leverage to take over the organization. Either he planned to put his children in place at the head of the Syndicate, or else he became cautious because of the danger that Muro represented, and decided to allow him to (seemingly) lead the Syndicate, and use him as a tool. Perhaps Muro's plan to hold the world hostage with the ACCs was given to him by Hasegawa. However, Hasegawa actually engineered improvements to the ACCs that would reverse the damage in months or years. If any Syndicate scientists realized this, Hasegawa/Mukade's ninjas would take care of them. Muro wouldn't have found this out until it was too late, and then as the Syndicate collapsed, Hasegawa could simply have slipped into the shadows. This means that Konoko did everything wrong, incapacitating Mukade (dad) so he couldn't direct the final stages of the process, and blowing up the ACCs instead of allowing Hasegawa's plan to proceed. When Mukade confronted Konoko, he was curious to see if she was developing in a good way or bad, especially after seeing how Muro had turned out. After she took him out and caused things to get much worse, the opposite of what he had planned, he would naturally be resentful and/or afraid of her in Oni 2. Now he has no choice but to re-take control of the Syndicate to deal with the worsening situation, instead of ditching the Syndicate to flounder and die as he had planned. Acknowledges that this series of events makes the Daodan just a pawn in Hasegawa's master plan and may not be the desired direction we want for an Oni 2. But it does explain a lot of Oni's loose threads, doesn't it? It makes out Hasegawa to be brilliant after all, unless the Daodan has actually been controlling him all along. | |||
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| Can agree with most of geyser's hypothesis, but doubts Hasegawa would have needed to be cautious with Muro; if Hasegawa is Mukade, then why couldn't he handle Muro and take leadership of the Syndicate himself? All the better to carry out his plans, then. In any case, Mukade wouldn't have to kill the scientists who were onto his plan, just persuade them to not tell Muro. And if the Syndicate reversed the atmospheric damage, they'd be hailed as heroes. Hasegawa could stay in charge, and perhaps even overthrow the WCG in time, making him President of the World. Questions how Konoko's signal could have destroyed the ACCs. Is against idea that Daodan is somehow masterminding this whole process. | |||
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| Mukade could not simply persuade Muro's men to not tell him, not with ordinary means of persuasion; human nature is not that reliable. But perhaps his Daodan allows him to control minds; that might even be what his spikes are for. The other ninjas' spikes allow him to monitor/control his ninjas, and through them, he can monitor the thoughts of the Syndicate around the world, and "tweak" their minds as necessary if they stumble too close to the truth. It made more sense for Hasegawa to operate in secret; how would he convince the Syndicate that cleaning up the atmosphere was a good idea? Better to convince the Syndicate under Muro to become maniacs working for a cause that they think is criminal. Muro was the charismatic, crazed leader that was needed to push the Syndicate in the desired direction; Hasegawa couldn't have played that role, and he also needed privacy and time to work on his real plan; better to stay in the background as Lead Researcher or Master Ninja or just The Boss's Daddy. But once they fulfill Hasegawa's plan, there would be no more Syndicate because there'd be no work for maniacs trying to pollute the world. Muro also did away with the more sensible, business-minded leaders of the Syndicate, making it that much easier for the organization to topple. And the Syndicate wouldn't have any way to prove that they were the "heroes" that fixed the pollution; the WCG's ACCs did the job, after all. It made more sense in Oni 1 for Hasegawa to use the Syndicate than the WCG because the WCG is too conservative, and it's easier to mislead the Syndicate than to convince the WCG of the problem. In Oni 2, he'll need the Syndicate again because they're in the best position to help him get things done and they're the only ones who will listen to him. However, he'll need to convince them that the ACCs are now needed; that it's better to restore the few that are still around than to just prey on survivors in a wasteland. However, he'll have lots of blood on his hands by this point, and even more when the Syndicate has to fight against rebels in Oni 2. Combined with his weighty responsibility and the Daodan inside him, he may become alienated from humanity. He is stuck in a position where he has no choice but to try to control the Syndicate and limit its violence while fighting the pollution, and there may be no end to his task. When Mai is discovered by the rebels, he gradually becomes aware of her, but decides to let her fight it out, as he does in Oni 1. Eventually he'll reach out to her.... As far as Your_Mom's objection to the "grand design" theory, it can be one possibility that some characters believe in. And there's no denying that something odd is behind the behavior of Hasegawa and Konoko. And Konoko's signal destroyed the ACCs because she sent them parameters that were too high and it "overload[ed] the generators". | |||
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| Even being known as Boss's Daddy would probably be too close an association. And Hasegawa might reach out to Konoko in order to kill her. | |||
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| On the contrary, being known as Muro's Dad should make him seem harmless, which will suit his plans. What does it matter to the Syndicate if they're related? And anyway, they will be bound to wonder why Hasegawa has a Chrysalis in him, and how it is that they both joined the organization at the same time. But Hasegawa will eventually have to take control of the Syndicate in Oni 2, reluctantly, to try and rule the world so he can fix things. It will be a great burden for him and he may eventually be unable to tell if he is even doing the right thing. Since he will live forever, he feels the need to guide humanity in a certain direction; the rebels, and Mai, are fighting against that. Agrees that Hasegawa might try to kill Mai, but only if he has a good reason. Will post combat move sketches soon. | |||
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| Simply thinks that idea of a "grand design" is clichéd and boring. | |||
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| Posts combat move pics. Points out that this will still be an action game; all the philosophy and master plans will be in the background for players who wish to contemplate them (like Oni 1's terminals). Some amount of cliché is sort of unavoidable in an action game where the good guy fights against bad guys. But we can leave the issue of a grand design as just one possibility for the player. For the most part, the events of the game can seem straight-forward, but occasionally a character will give his own diverging take on what is going on. Perhaps the game will even have multiple endings, based on what the player believes is going on. Since guido is all for "grand design" and Your_Mom is dead-set against it, perhaps a pluralistic approach really is the best one. | |||
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