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 :Looking at this from Mukade's and Muro's perspective, indeed there isn't much of a reason why Muro would want to look at Hasegawa's files, or to keep them away from Konoko. Whatever Muro wanted to know about Mai's recent history at the TCTF, it was either in Shinatama's head or in the Damocles system back at the TCTF HQ. Then again, he only sent Barabas to retrieve Shinatama, and apparently it was just to mess with Mai by hurting her "sister soul", and to see how much fun it would be to torture a pain-capable android. If Muro instructed someone (Kojiro?) to hack into Damocles and download an overview of Mai's progress, it all happened off-screen. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 18:42, 7 June 2020 (CEST)
 ::To be clear, Muro has a sole, practical reason for wanting Shinatama: "An android? Interesting. They must be using it to monitor her progress. I want it. Tell Barabas to retrieve it for me." He doesn't say anything about wanting to torture her, and it would be a fairly insane use of his manpower and precious enforcer to raid TCTF HQ just to get an SLD to play Doctor [Mengele] with, especially when he has SLDs in his very own force. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 02:59, 8 June 2020 (CEST)
-:My suggestion (in the TNZ scope and more generally) is to present the RSB/Rooftops episode as Mukade's initiative. Whoever of whatever he is, he's messing with Mai in his own way, and it has nothing to do with Muro. Unlike Konoko, he can apparenly hack the data from ''any'' terminal and not just the one in the basement, and yet he puts on a show: killing cops in the lobby (after making sure that more are on the way) just in time for Konoko's arrival; leaving a trail of corpses throughout the building; waiting for Konoko to come online before he starts stripping files right in front of her, then waiting for her to catch up with him again, and again, and again... Chase sequences often have awkwardly convenient timing, but here it's just too much. At the very least, he has a perverted crush on her, and is going out of his way to freak her out. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 18:42, 7 June 2020 (CEST)
+:::Well, he ''does'' end up playing Doctor Mengele, doesn't he? Barabas's team apparently brought Shinatama directly to the ACC, where there isn't much of an interface to connect her to... apart from those high-voltage cables -- so much for "practical". It sure would look like this (the torture) is what Muro had in mind for Shinatama all along, being a monster and maniac and all. Konoko's diary-hunch ("What could Shinatama know that is so valuable to them?") doesn't get much of a confirmation, and is actually misinformed - Konoko simply doesn't know that she and Muro are related, and how much he ''already'' knows about her. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 13:12, 8 June 2020 (CEST)
+:::Back to Muro's "sole reason", you may be overinterpreting a ''tiny'' bit. When he says "They must be using it to monitor her progress.", he is merely rationalizing the practical reason ''for the TCTF'' to have an SLD neurolinked to Konoko. These sentences still make sense if Muro is thinking out loud and doesn't imply any logical links between the progress-monitoring clause and "An android? Interesting. [...] I want it. Tell Barabas to retrieve it for me." Torturing an ''official'' SLD, much more pain-capable than the Tankers, is quite rewarding already. As a bonus, it's not just any pain-capable SLD, but Mai's sister soul, so he's not just hurting Shinatama -- he's messing with Mai. Last but not least, by ripping Shinatama out of Damocles, Muro might have passed the chance to have a good look at Mai's Chrysalis data, but in doing so he has also severed the bond between Konoko and the TCTF (and Griffin who was "like a father" to her until then). This drives Konoko into insubordination and rogue status, and of course she isn't getting tactical updates from Shinatama any more. So I would say that, regardless of logical links, Muro's actions were rather effective in disrupting TCTF's monitoring of Konoko, and Konoko's loyalty to the TCTF -- even if his only "direct" use for Shinatama is to torture her. He's an agent of chaos. So much for "sole". --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 13:12, 8 June 2020 (CEST)
+:::As for the decision to send Barabas into the TCTF HQ to retrieve Shinatama -- the "precious enforcer" failed Muro earlier that evening, when he was beaten by rookie Mai and put Muro's Vago operation at risk ("just make sure I'm not interrupted", he said -- perhaps looking through tons of computer data that need his full attention, or making some delicate manipulations with lab equipment?). So it makes sense if Muro sends Barabas on a daring mission next, something to redeem his "preciousness" (or die trying). --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 13:12, 8 June 2020 (CEST)
+:::I am not completely ignoring the part where "monitoring her progress" may be referring to Chrysalis integration and not to mission status. But that data cannot be easily extracted from Shinatama except through Damocles (and the big data is probably archived at the TCTF HQ, too, rather than in Shinatama's head). Therefore, anyone wishing to find out more about Konoko's symbiosis -- as a possible complement to torturing her sister soul with high voltage and severing her bond with Griffin and the TCTF -- would have to peek into the raided TCTF HQ's data terminals, just like Mai did. We can imply that "Kojiro" (the coordinator of Barabas's raid) took care of that, or we can show that Mukade is in the house as well, and associate him with data theft early in the plot. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 13:12, 8 June 2020 (CEST)
+:My suggestion (in the TNZ scope and more generally) is to present the RSB/Rooftops episode as Mukade's initiative. Whoever or whatever he is, he's messing with Mai in his own way, and it has nothing to do with Muro. Unlike Konoko, he can apparenly hack the data from ''any'' terminal and not just the one in the basement, and yet he puts on a show: killing cops in the lobby (after making sure that more are on the way) just in time for Konoko's arrival; leaving a trail of corpses throughout the building; waiting for Konoko to come online before he starts stripping files right in front of her, then waiting for her to catch up with him again, and again, and again... Chase sequences often have awkwardly convenient timing, but here it's just too much. At the very least, he has a perverted crush on her, and is going out of his way to freak her out. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 18:42, 7 June 2020 (CEST)
 :My other suggestion (in the scope of TNZ's "wishmap") is to make Konoko's hunch more natural, by giving Mukade a cameo appearance in earlier chapters, like he's stalking her -- not clearly acting on Muro's orders or out of some personal interest. In ACC levels, there are several impossible-to-reach (and impossible-not-to-notice) places that Mukade could be observing Konoko from (and as opposed to BGi troops -- another suggested addition to these levels -- he wouldn't be trying to snipe her). --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 18:42, 7 June 2020 (CEST)
 :As for TCTF HQ, I'd have Mukade hacking at terminals in deserted sections of the building (either in player-discoverable places off the beaten track, or in some un-missable location, with or without a cutscene -- like in the Damocles room). He'd phase-cloak or teleport when spotted, leaving Mai perplexed, but too worried about Shinatama to give much of a thought to his role and motivation. She and the player would just register that, while Barabas was retrieving Shinatama as per Muro's request, there was this other guy who was snooping around in Damocles (for Mai's data?) -- apparently on the same side as the Strikers, but possibly with an agenda of his own. Among other things, it would be more than enough to justify the RSB hunch. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 18:42, 7 June 2020 (CEST)