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 ::I'm not following your reason for thinking that they didn't have a firm idea already in mind about creating the Chrysalis by the time they went to the Syndicate. Why apply for work at a criminal organization if they didn't, and why would the Syndicate be interested? The Syndicate funded their work because they wanted the Chrysalis. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 02:59, 8 June 2020 (CEST)
 :::Kerr may not have been the brightest bulb in this story, but he's telling us this: "Your father and I were criminals, funded by the Syndicate (we couldn't get backing from any legitimate source). They left us alone for the most part. We didn't think they were interested in our work. (We were wrong; they had been watching us very closely. When they figured out what the Chrysalis was, etc.)". Even if Kerr is wrong and the bad guys were aware of the Chrysalis's potential all along (and were merely waiting for the project to be "ripe for takeover"), on the face of it they were just funding Hasegawa&Kerr's research just as they would have funded any financially promising "rogue science". If Hasegawa was a bright scientist with some achievements as a biologist, then naturally the Network would have been considering him as a potential asset even before Jamie's death, Chrysalis or no Chrysalis. (Like, I dunno, he may have been involved in hypo spray development, for example, and the Network were eager to experiment with hypo-drugs.) They may even have made him an offer in the past, which he refused, because children and idealism. With Jamie gone, and Hasegawa both a murderer and a zone-trespasser, the Network's head-hunters have a much stronger argument for getting Hasegawa on board -- and he agrees, because it conveniently pulls him out of trial, and gives him a lab where he can experiment on anything he wants -- including the supercure that he thinks he owes to Jamie --, without being tied down by TCTF supervision, reports to WCG, etc. His initial "grant" with the Network didn't have to be Chrysalis-related at all (that's why I say it may be useful to imagine what he and Kerr had been working on before Jamie's death) -- they're hiring him merely because he is a capable scientist and because it's an optimal moment to snatch him. At least on the face of it, that's what it looks like. Hasegawa betrays the bad guys' trust by shifting from his initial "work" to the Chrysalis, and they repay him by taking over. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 13:43, 9 June 2020 (CEST)
-:::P.S. Of course all those details about the initial grant, or head-hunting, or previous research, are entirely optional. At the core of it, I am just saying that Hasegawa's "application" with the Syndicate probably didn't have "supersoldiers, yay!" as a selling point, or even "deadly flowering bush cure, yay!". The initial project description needed to be tedious enough (or vague enough), to give the Syndicate a fair chance to pretend they didn't care what Hasegawa & Kerr were up to, as long as it was illegal (and thus potentially lucrative). If they cared, they at least pretended not to, enough to fool Kerr -- and they wouldn't have been able to turn a blind eye if the project was clearly defined from the beginning. So, like I said elsewhere, even if Hasegawa & Kerr were already close to growing human Chrysalises, their grant still would probably have looked like this: "We are going to experiment with Phase-induced mutation of living cells. We'll let you know when we move from lettuce to mice." -- and if they weren't 100% sure what to look for when they started, their initial grant could just have been a vaguely illegal variation on their previous research. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 14:47, 9 June 2020 (CEST)
+:::P.S. Of course all those details about the initial grant, or head-hunting, or previous research, are entirely optional. At the core of it, I am just saying that Hasegawa's "application" with the Syndicate probably didn't have "supersoldiers, yay!" as a selling point, or even "deadly flowering bush cure, yay!". The initial project description needed to be tedious enough (or vague enough), to give the Syndicate a fair chance to pretend they didn't care what Hasegawa & Kerr were up to, as long as it was illegal (and thus potentially lucrative). If they cared, they at least pretended not to, enough to fool Kerr -- and they wouldn't have been able to turn a blind eye if the project was clearly defined from the beginning. So, like I said elsewhere, even if Hasegawa & Kerr were already close to growing human Chrysalises, their grant still would probably have looked like this: "We are going to experiment with Phase-induced mutation of living cells. We'll let you know when we move from lettuce to mice." -- and if they weren't 100% sure what to look for when they started, their initial grant could just have been for a vaguely illegal variation of their previous research. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 14:47, 9 June 2020 (CEST)
 :::P.P.S. The catch here is that Hasegawa is special to us, but to the Network/Syndicate he was one of many. They (the Network/Syndicate) were struggling with the TCTF's crackdown and with their disrupted client base. They weren't just trying to grab all the intellectual and technological assets they could get, they were also looking for new product niches, new things (or even thinglets) to black-market-ize. So any decent scientist who has worn out his welcome with the WCG is welcome -- whether he has a promising project or not. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 15:04, 9 June 2020 (CEST)