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 ==Templates==
-;{{Template:Table}}
+;[[Template:Table]]
   <nowiki>{|BORDER=1 CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=2 STYLE="border-style:solid; border-collapse:collapse; empty-cells:show; background:#F9F9F9;" WIDTH={{{width|100%}}} ALIGN={{{align|center}}}</nowiki>
 ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:43, 21 November 2006 (CET)
-:(Why do we need the "|center", when the basic width is 100%?)
+:Why do we need the "|center" when the basic width is 100%?
 ::;ssg
 :To have it centered by default if one specifies a smaller width.
 :Maybe it should be "left" rather than "center". Minor detail.
 ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:43, 21 November 2006 (CET)
-;Template:OBD_Table_Header
+;[[Template:OBD_Table_Header]]
   <nowiki>|- BGCOLOR="#E9E9E9"</nowiki>
   <nowiki>! WIDTH=5% | Offset || WIDTH=5% | Type || WIDTH=10% | Raw Hex || WIDTH=10% | Value || WIDTH=70% | Description</nowiki>
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 :When I look to the wiki code, I want to see the real code and not a bunch of links to a hundred of templates.
 ::;ssg
-:I disagree, as a wiki admin and as a "coder". Filling in later...
+:I disagree, as a wiki admin and as a "real coder" ^^
+:Templates are meant to spare on redundant typing,
+::and your tables have a lot of that, primarily :
+::*BGCOLOR="#..." for the '''Hex''' column
+::*ALIGN=right for the '''Meaning''' column
+:If you think having this "information" present in every line is OK,
+::think again. It's not this kind of "real code" a casual editor is after.
+:An extreme example of that is [[Template:HexRow]].
+::Can you imagine what it would look like to have anything close
+:::to the "real code" while editing such a table?
+:The HTML for such a table is heavy, the wiki-markup is lighter,
+::and the templated wiki-markup is ''much'' lighter.
+:(there's a template call per row, but it's ''one single'' template,
+::so actually it looks very much like ordinary table row syntax)
+:Now, the struct def tables are less extreme than that, sure,
+::but they still have a rather strict format for every row.
+:There's the custom color, there's the custom alignment,
+::and there may be systematic hyperlinks from the type column.
+:So I'd definitely template that row in the way I suggested.
+:Same for the other 2. Their job is to make the code ''editable''.
 ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:43, 21 November 2006 (CET)
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 ::;ssg
 :We'll have to agree on the type names...
+:And on what page they'll link to.
 ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:43, 21 November 2006 (CET)
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 ===hlines===
 :Sorry. My mistake. They will be there.
 ::;ssg
-:What about {{Template:OBD TXT}} and {{Template:OBD TXT dec}}
+:What about [[Template:OBD TXT]] and [[Template:OBD TXT dec]]?
 :You didn't plan on uploading them (the text files) as wiki-media, did you? ^^
 :I'm thinking about making them into wiki-tables (subpages of their respective articles).
 ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:43, 21 November 2006 (CET)
+===Below follows===
+:"below follows" is a semantic pleonasm? Why? I don't get it. *tilt*
+::;ssg
+:Because we write from the top down. Because your tables are top-down lists.
+:The "below follows" row splits your tables in two halves.
+:Whatever "follows" will inevitably be "below" that row.
+:So "before"=="above", and "after"=="below".
+:Hence, "Below follows BLAH." is pleonastic.
+:"Below is BLAH." is not, and neither is "BLAH follows."
+::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:00, 22 November 2006 (CET)
+===BSP===
+:BSP = Binary Space Partition. Use google if you want to know more about it.
+::;ssg
+:The problem is not with ''me'' not having taken the time to Google it up.
+:The problem is that the [[OBD:ABNA|ABNA]] page deals with BSP trees,
+::but doesn't provide any info as for what a BSP tree actually is
+:::(which is why I asked the question ''there'', obviously).
+:The other problem is : if you know what a BSP tree is,
+::why those vague comments about the unknown fields?
+:::Don't you already know everything about them?
+::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:00, 22 November 2006 (CET)
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+==Images==
-'''Images'''
+:Let me quote "Sledge Hammer" to comment your "problem(s)":
-:
+::"That's a pish pot of nonsense." :p <== I hope you see the smiley.
-''wiki-based''
+:So take it easy, even if it sounds a bit rough. :-)
-:
+::;ssg
-Let me quote "Sledge Hammer" to comment your "problem(s)": "That's a pish pot of nonsense." :p <== I hope you see the smiley. So take it easy, even if it sounds a bit rough. :-)
+:Now ''that's'' the kind of argumentation I ''like'' ! ^^
-:
+:Seriously, it's great that we're no longer afraid of offending each other.
-''png''
+:However, that kind of half-serious subjectivity sorta kills a debate.
-:
+:When you call something nonsense and then say you don't mean it,
-Wow, I didn't know that the file size of the png's are so much smaller.
+::what do you ''actually'' mean, if anything at all?
-Nevertheless, I won't change the file format. I can't see any ''real need'' for that.
+::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:00, 22 November 2006 (CET)
-:
+:Heh, maybe I should answer you with another quote?
-''capitalize''
+::''THISH ISH A LASHER BLASHTER, SHO YOU DO WHAT YOU'RE TOLD, REBEL SHWINE
-:
+:^^
-I do never capitalize file names.
+::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:00, 22 November 2006 (CET)
-:
+:Really, why don't you just mirror your stuff on ssg.oni2.net and link to it?
-''template''
+:Is there any clear reason for not doing so?
-:
+::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:00, 22 November 2006 (CET)
-<quote>However, I've never seen a MediaWiki build with a non-white background...</quote>
-:
-But I. It was darkblue and didn't look bad.
-:
-However, I'll keep the template, beause:
-*You can delete the table easily, if you don't like it.
-*If (!) we host the images not any longer at wiki, we can add the new url easily to the template
-:
-Besides, if you are really going to replace the images with a table, you don't have to care about the image format (gif or png), where they  should be hosted and the presence of image templates.
-:
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-:
+:Besides, if you are really going to replace the images with a table,
-'''pleonasm'''
+::you don't have to care about the image format (gif or png),
-:
+:::where they  should be hosted and the presence of image templates.
-"below follows" is a semantic pleonasm? Why? I don't get it. *tilt*
+::;ssg
-:
+:That's somewhat more relevant, although not entirely in your favor ^^
+::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:00, 22 November 2006 (CET)
+:I really feel like generating those ASCII tables. With HxD and PsPad.
+::("Willst Du mitmachen?" ^^ well, I sorta hoped you to)
+:In that respect, no, I don't really care about what you do.
+:I mean, images with odd names and formats don't hurt me directly.
+:True. Sometimes I just complain about anything and everything... ^^
+::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:00, 22 November 2006 (CET)
+===png===
+:Wow, I didn't know that the file size of the png's are so much smaller.
+:Nevertheless, I won't change the file format. I can't see any ''real need'' for that.
+::;ssg
+:If you don't do it, guess who will ^^
+:I'll reupload them all as PNG.
+::Properly capitalized.
+:::On geyser.oni2.net ^^
+::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:00, 22 November 2006 (CET)
+===capitalization===
+:I do never capitalize file names.
+::;ssg
+:Principles, my friend, are yet another "pish pot of nonsense" ^^
+::A really big one.
+:Mediawiki capitalizes article names and that means filenames.
+:''And you know it''. Why do you upload a file called '''wpge_all.gif'''
+::when you know it will be shown as '''Wpge_all.gif'''
+:(and the actual name of the resource is '''WPge''')?
+:You're forcing anyone who wants to work with those images
+::(e.g., split/rename them)
+:::to live with that counter-intuitive mess.
+:Why?
+::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:00, 22 November 2006 (CET)
+:Actually, [[:Image:wpge_all.gif]] will still work,
+::but how many can you expect to figure ''that'' out?
+:Filenames for uploaded media have to be chosen carefully.
+:They have to be ''good'' names, if you like ^^.
+::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:00, 22 November 2006 (CET)
+===image template===
+:I've never seen a MediaWiki build with a non-white background...
+::;geyser
+:I have. It was dark blue and didn't look bad.
+::;ssg
+:Bad looks are ''not'' the problem there.
+:OG is ''not'' getting a dark blue background.
+:Over my dead body. ^^
+::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:00, 22 November 2006 (CET)
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-:
+:However, I'll keep the template, because:
-'''BSP'''
+:*You can delete the table easily, if you don't like it.
-:
+:*If (!) we host the images not any longer at wiki, we can add the new url easily to the template
-BSP = Binary Space Partition. Use google if you want to know more about it.
+::;ssg
-:
+:Sounds good. You know what? I'll do the same with [[Template:OBDstructRow]] ^^
+:I can't believe you were a fierce opponent of "templates everywhere" only a few lines earlier...
+::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:00, 22 November 2006 (CET)
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+==Bottom line==
-'''Sytle'''
+:OK, feel free to do ''anything''.
-:
+:You are free to update all the tables in every article with your stuff.
-<quote>Personally and generally, I don't give a crap about the nice looks...</quote>
+:You are also free to only do a few pages, sorta like a test for the format.
-:
+:I may give a few pages a try with that [[Template:OBDstructRow]] of mine.
-I know, I know. It can't be overlooked. :p
+::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:00, 22 November 2006 (CET)
-:
+:The OBD-specific "OBD Table Header" template I'd make less general :
+::it's not like we'll never ever have another OBD-specific table template.
+:I suggested [[OBDstructHeader]] earlier...
+::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:00, 22 November 2006 (CET)