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::::Categories, special pages etc can never replace human awareness of just what is actually being used and where and how. So please, don't you ''ever'' set up a page like [[User:Iritscen/ConsoleFix|THIS]] again. It doesn't fix ''anything'', except maybe some psychological problem of your own. Specifically, I hope you understand that force-listing images on a page just so they're not ''auto''-listed as "unused" is, in short, a lie. And clearly the proper way to "use" a categorized image is ''not'' to make galleries redundant of categories, but to ''actually'' put the image to some non-trivial use, in some non-trivial context. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:28, 5 June 2008 (CEST) | ::::Categories, special pages etc can never replace human awareness of just what is actually being used and where and how. So please, don't you ''ever'' set up a page like [[User:Iritscen/ConsoleFix|THIS]] again. It doesn't fix ''anything'', except maybe some psychological problem of your own. Specifically, I hope you understand that force-listing images on a page just so they're not ''auto''-listed as "unused" is, in short, a lie. And clearly the proper way to "use" a categorized image is ''not'' to make galleries redundant of categories, but to ''actually'' put the image to some non-trivial use, in some non-trivial context. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:28, 5 June 2008 (CEST) | ||
:::::It's not so much a lie as a way of working around the fact that appearing in a gallery-like category page doesn't count as being used (which is natural). There was never anything wrong with the Images page as it is now, except to you and you alone, so if we left it that way, there'd be no issue. | :::::It's not so much a lie as a way of working around the fact that appearing in a gallery-like category page doesn't count as being used (which is natural). There was never anything wrong with the Images page as it is now, except to you and you alone, so if we left it that way, there'd be no issue. | ||
::::::'''''appearing in a gallery-like category page doesn't count as being used''' Oh, was there ever anything wrong with ''that'', except for ''you''? Oh wait, you didn't want to categorize images in the first place... ^_^ --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 20:10, 5 June 2008 (CEST) | |||
:::::::'''"was there ever anything wrong with ''that''?"''' Wait, what is "that"? Are you asking, Was there anything wrong with using the category pages as galleries for the images? No, not per se. Just that this method drops everything into Unused Images, as I said. My point is, How can I find the truly wasteful images when they're buried in a list of the art? It's not the end of the world, but I just think there's nothing wrong with listing images on a page or set of pages, which also prevents this issue. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 20:37, 5 June 2008 (CEST) | |||
:::::The line about the wiki not replacing "human awareness" is utter bull-hockey; why do we categorize bloody anything if not because our minds can't keep track of where everything is, what it's for, and whether it's being used? This is the same basic flaw in your view that you have with the Wanted Pages: since ''you'' know (or think you do) what needs to actually be written, and what is just a random redlink, you think it's okay to have 400+ unique redlinks in the wiki, when really the Whole Point of pages like Unused Images and Wanted Pages is to help us humans with our limited recall and awareness to keep track of issues that need to be addressed. No one's even asking ''you'' to address them, I volunteered myself for that menial and arduous task, and yet you feel obliged to stand in my way when I try to make this wiki's support pages function like they were designed to. | :::::The line about the wiki not replacing "human awareness" is utter bull-hockey; why do we categorize bloody anything if not because our minds can't keep track of where everything is, what it's for, and whether it's being used? This is the same basic flaw in your view that you have with the Wanted Pages: since ''you'' know (or think you do) what needs to actually be written, and what is just a random redlink, you think it's okay to have 400+ unique redlinks in the wiki, when really the Whole Point of pages like Unused Images and Wanted Pages is to help us humans with our limited recall and awareness to keep track of issues that need to be addressed. No one's even asking ''you'' to address them, I volunteered myself for that menial and arduous task, and yet you feel obliged to stand in my way when I try to make this wiki's support pages function like they were designed to. | ||
::::::'''''the Whole Point of pages like Unused Images and Wanted Pages is to help ''us humans''''' Oh, I wouldn't want to ruin your commodities, Mister Royal We... but still "Images" in its current state is yet another instance of [[User:Iritscen/ConsoleFix|THIS]] which I would say is part of the problem rather than part of the solution ^_^ --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 20:10, 5 June 2008 (CEST) | |||
:::::::The Images page is in no way like my ConsoleFix subpage. One, it's not a hack designed to take something off an Unused list. It was specifically made to show off our collection of Oni art. Two, what's wrong with the page, in your view? It's in mid-conversion, granted; I was in the process of moving things to using only category pages, as you wanted, and I would have finished that by now if it weren't for my lack of time. But really, what was wrong with pages like "Images/Concept_Art/Sketches"? --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 20:37, 5 June 2008 (CEST) | |||
:::::And it's completely unnecessary to find a place for each of those gallery images in other articles, because that's not what they're for, they're intended to be their own raison d'etre so we can preserve the art of Oni somewhere. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 18:26, 5 June 2008 (CEST) | :::::And it's completely unnecessary to find a place for each of those gallery images in other articles, because that's not what they're for, they're intended to be their own raison d'etre so we can preserve the art of Oni somewhere. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 18:26, 5 June 2008 (CEST) | ||
::"wiki-support images like this little | ::::::You know a wiki is not an ideal repository for a large number of (large) image files. Directories (or archive files) on whoever.oni2.net are much more fit for that purpose, if you're going for an exhaustive collection. If an image deserves to be on the wiki at all, it should be worth being put on display, it should serve some kind of purpose, not just lie around in a category. And if an image can only be stumbled upon when browsing a category, then in what sense is it "used", really? Why can't Royal We accept that "Unused images" technically means "Non-featured images" and leave it there? --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 20:10, 5 June 2008 (CEST) | ||
:::::::I don't know that I agree about the wiki not being suited to hosting large numbers of images. Someone somewhere saw fit to implement wiki support for image galleries with the <nowiki><gallery></nowiki> tag, so ''they'' thought this wasn't a bad idea.... | |||
::"wiki-support images like this little mystery item: Image:OE-table.png" Aw, come ''on''... you're a scream. | |||
:::Glad I'm providing you with some amusement, but what's wrong with my attempt to get rid of pointless vestigial images? --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 19:13, 3 June 2008 (CEST) | :::Glad I'm providing you with some amusement, but what's wrong with my attempt to get rid of pointless vestigial images? --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 19:13, 3 June 2008 (CEST) | ||
::::It was a hypish initiative, totally out of proportion, and almost offensively pointless itself. Clearly the right person to ask about stuff like | ::::It was a hypish initiative, totally out of proportion, and almost offensively pointless itself. Clearly the right person to ask about stuff like Image:OE-table.png is Dox and Dox alone; and as for the OBD screenshots, asking a grouped question about them on ssg's talk page was also the sensible thing to do: fewer edits, less time spent typing and clicking for everyone involved. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:28, 5 June 2008 (CEST) | ||
:::::Okay, so in the future I will go back to the source -- whoever uploaded an image -- and ask them personally. Point taken. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 18:26, 5 June 2008 (CEST) | :::::Okay, so in the future I will go back to the source -- whoever uploaded an image -- and ask them personally. Point taken. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 18:26, 5 June 2008 (CEST) | ||
:Trying to make the page both more serious/accurate and more lively. | :Trying to make the page both more serious/accurate and more lively. | ||
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::::It's really the needless tabs that irritate me here. It makes things look sloppy, plus it looks like someone's responding to someone else when you tab in like that from the previous line. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 18:26, 5 June 2008 (CEST) | ::::It's really the needless tabs that irritate me here. It makes things look sloppy, plus it looks like someone's responding to someone else when you tab in like that from the previous line. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] 18:26, 5 June 2008 (CEST) | ||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 17:42, 3 June 2008 (CEST) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 17:42, 3 June 2008 (CEST) | ||
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