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:Not "unbearable" pain, definitely. Ignorable pain? Maybe not. I'd say ''familiar'' pain. | :Not "unbearable" pain, definitely. Ignorable pain? Maybe not. I'd say ''familiar'' pain. | ||
::(check out [http://www.depechemode.se/A/a_pain_that_im_used_to.htm A pain that I'm used to] by Depeche Mode) | ::(check out [http://www.depechemode.se/A/a_pain_that_im_used_to.htm A pain that I'm used to] by Depeche Mode) | ||
::(or [http://unit.bjork.com/specials/gh/SUB-14/index.htm Play dead] by Björk) | ::(or [http://web.archive.org/web/20121214133412/http://unit.bjork.com/specials/gh/SUB-14/index.htm Play dead] by Björk) | ||
::(or early, saturnine stuff by Tears for Fears) | ::(or early, saturnine stuff by Tears for Fears) | ||
:You said it yourself : resilience and pain levels are closely connected. What then? | :You said it yourself : resilience and pain levels are closely connected. What then? | ||
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:A special case is that of religious rituals (fasting, self-flogging, etc). | :A special case is that of religious rituals (fasting, self-flogging, etc). | ||
:It's a tricky topic to tackle (aren't we calling ascetic mortification "deranged"?). | :It's a tricky topic to tackle (aren't we calling ascetic mortification "deranged"?). | ||
:But it's worth the shot to look at, e.g., [ | :But it's worth the shot to look at, e.g., [[wp:Teresa_of_Ávila|St Teresa]] | ||
::there's the killer quote "Lord, either let me suffer or let me die" | ::there's the killer quote "Lord, either let me suffer or let me die" | ||
::and there's [ | ::and there's [[wp:Ecstasy_of_Saint_Teresa|THIS]], of course | ||
:That would bring us to what Oni's Konoko experiences after a boss fight... | :That would bring us to what Oni's Konoko experiences after a boss fight... | ||
:If the terms "climax" and "orgasm" are uncomfortable, how about "ecstasy"? | :If the terms "climax" and "orgasm" are uncomfortable, how about "ecstasy"? | ||
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:And then, after a couple dozen daring escapes through the sewers : | :And then, after a couple dozen daring escapes through the sewers : | ||
::"Here goes the last pair of pants... S##T, do you have any idea how much that itches?" | ::"Here goes the last pair of pants... S##T, do you have any idea how much that itches?" | ||
:(that was a reference to Jeebs from [ | :(that was a reference to Jeebs from [[wikiquote:Men in Black (1997 film)|Men in Black]]) | ||
:I'm not calling it pleasant. Pretty unpleasant, maybe. But in a familiar way : routine. | :I'm not calling it pleasant. Pretty unpleasant, maybe. But in a familiar way : routine. | ||
:Now to the compromise. Where I agree with you, Guido, is : | :Now to the compromise. Where I agree with you, Guido, is : | ||
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::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 13:47, 1 December 2006 (CET) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 13:47, 1 December 2006 (CET) | ||
:Another thought : could we be talking about [[Shinatama]] rather than Mai? | :Another thought : could we be talking about [[Shinatama]] rather than Mai? | ||
:The relationship with pain you suggest for Mai is IMO pretty close to [[Shinatama#Pain and | :The relationship with pain you suggest for Mai is IMO pretty close to [[Shinatama#Pain and death|THIS]]... | ||
::(added long ago, largely underdeveloped) | |||
:In the light of what you proposed for the Daodan, I'd like to draw your attention to this : | |||
::Shinatama can't train or adapt the way Konoko does. And she can withstand point-blank nuking by initial design. | |||
:What was built into her was a ''formal'' scale of pain. It coincides with human pain over the range we know. | |||
:And from there it's somehow extrapolated all the way to the top. As for thresholds, there are none (to Muro's delight). | |||
:And there you have it : the "absolute" pain scale you fancied in humans. And the "power to suffer". | |||
:Also check out (again) the essay on Zombie Shinatama by our mutual friend : | |||
::it revolves around pain and how Shinatama relates to it. | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:02, 1 December 2006 (CET) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:02, 1 December 2006 (CET) | ||
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::Healing = a subtle balance of (intermittent) pain and relief leading (or not) to recovery. | ::Healing = a subtle balance of (intermittent) pain and relief leading (or not) to recovery. | ||
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