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===CRSA import===
==Separated content about ONLV, level import and level reimport==
'''Old talk:''' I simply put this section here because I hope Neo will soon integrate it. --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] ([[User talk:Paradox-01|talk]]) 17:28, 28 December 2013 (CET)
Talks on Discord during 1st Nov. of 2023 showed that users can confuse ONLV*.xml for a master.xml (project) file. Therefore, the sections were separated. Also, notes for reimports got their own page. They have a significant different workflow. --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] ([[User talk:Paradox-01|talk]]) 11:59, 2 November 2023 (CET)


(You can try to edit the final ONLV*.oni on your own. See [[XML:ONLV#CRSA|HERE]].)
==Searching vertex shading of animated door geometry==
Now with the source code, it would be easier to find where the vertex shading is stored. This is also interesting for reimports.


I only tried it once like an year ago, probably something was wrong with it.
==Pathfinding with GridIgnore flagged objects==
 
Recently I tried to do similar with xml editing.
 
:Oni gets body parts by reading the referenced ONCC file and its links until it gets the 3D content
 
:So far the theory. In praxis the model will appear differently.
 
:While a folded (not ''animated'') corpse imports fine, a corpse with rotated bones becomes a mess.
 
:I tried rotations with local (<nowiki>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/139715/OniGalore/local_correct_pelvis.png</nowiki>, dead link) and global (<nowiki>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/139715/OniGalore/global.png</nowiki>, dead link) values, both ended up in a messed up state.
 
:With local values at least the pelvis looks correct.
 
:So what's the problem?
 
:: When we look at character animations (TRAM), for instance, the rotations of the right fist are just delta values of the right wrist, and right wrist holds only the delta values of the right arm, and so on.<br>So the final x y z rotation of the right fist is its own rotation plus all rotations down to the pelvis.
 
:: This method doesn't seem true for CRSA. With local rotations used, the pelvis was spawned correctly but not the other parts.
 
:: Due to this observations I think each body part is looked up separately which means for Oni to build the corpse with no hierarchal structure.
 
:: To test this I took a character, rotated the parts, and [[Mod_Tool#Exchange_meshes_in_hierarchies|destroyed]] the hierarchy revealing the true local rotation values of each part.
 
:: Those rotations and positions where entered into Neo's matrix program (<nowiki>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/139715/OniGalore/OniMatrix_src.zip</nowiki>, dead link). I then put the matrix to into the CRSA instance of the extracted ONLV file, then reconverted to oni.
 
:: Ingame, the corpse was looking quite good (<nowiki>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/139715/OniGalore/CRSA_manually_imported.png</nowiki>, dead link). There were some tiny difference which possibly come from the fact that the matrix program works with integers and not float values.
 
::: Here's an example (<nowiki>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/139715/temp/snipers.dae</nowiki>, dead link) of an intact and a destroyed hierarchy.
 
::: Note to self: old code (<nowiki>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/139715/OniGalore/ModToolScript/CRSA_wip.txt</nowiki>, dead link) meant for intact hierarchies. Needs to be changed later for proper local values.
 
::: Let's take intact character for a new experiment.
 
::: When we apply null objects to each body part and compare its local values with the parts of the destroyed hierarchy, the values are the same, just multiplied by -1.
 
::: Second experiment. When the parts in the intact hierarchy becomes rotated, the values will not fit. Not until we reset the null's global values to 0; 0; 0 and multiply by -1 again.
 
::: What does this mean?
 
:::: Still I've no clue how to ''calculate'' the required values but with the null objects it got a lot easier to ''farm'' them.
 
:::: So coding a workaround became a feasible option.
 
'''Edit // 8th Feb 2014 // getting rid of the null objects:'''
 
It's possible to calculate the local rotations in a hierarchy using matrix multiplication. The final matrix must be inverted and the xyz values multiplied by -1.
 
Before calculations are started the rotation order of all objects must be changed from ZYX to XYZ.
 
What makes the code bulky is the need to go through all involved body parts and that 19 times.
 
'''Edit // 9th Feb 2014 // getting not rid of the null objects:'''
 
The code seemed to work fine until different rotations were used for all objects in the hierarchy. So for now there will be no simplification.
 
 
===Pathfinding with GridIgnore flagged objects===
Regarding Pathfinding on uneven ground, my testing shows that it will work as long as the top of the ground is 20 world units or less above the BNV, any higher and the grid is no longer active and the AI will not move.  [[User:EdT|EdT]] ([[User talk:EdT|talk]]) 18:08, 21 August 2013 (CEST)
Regarding Pathfinding on uneven ground, my testing shows that it will work as long as the top of the ground is 20 world units or less above the BNV, any higher and the grid is no longer active and the AI will not move.  [[User:EdT|EdT]] ([[User talk:EdT|talk]]) 18:08, 21 August 2013 (CEST)
: Ok thanks, I will check this tomorrow so we are sure it's the same on pc/mac. --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] ([[User talk:Paradox-01|talk]]) 20:33, 21 August 2013 (CEST)
: Ok thanks, I will check this tomorrow so we are sure it's the same on pc/mac. --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] ([[User talk:Paradox-01|talk]]) 20:33, 21 August 2013 (CEST)
:: Just curious, how did you get the number 17,9?  I placed the BNV at 0 and until 19 world units, the pathfinding grids were visible using ai2_showgrids=1, but at a height of 20, the grids disappeared and the AI was no longer active. [[User:EdT|EdT]] ([[User talk:EdT|talk]]) 01:00, 23 August 2013 (CEST)
:: Just curious, how did you get the number 17,9?  I placed the BNV at 0 and until 19 world units, the pathfinding grids were visible using ai2_showgrids=1, but at a height of 20, the grids disappeared and the AI was no longer active. [[User:EdT|EdT]] ([[User talk:EdT|talk]]) 01:00, 23 August 2013 (CEST)
::: Like seen in the first vid I kept the BNV at all times at height 0. Only the top of the GridIgnore pyramid-thingy changes in height. I tested its top with 19,1; 19; 18,9; 18. See time code 03:17 - 03:22. AI still loses PF at height 18, so I decided to do the next height to be 16. PF works there again. The video ends there but I made more test until I reached 17,9 where AI seems to not randomly lose PF. -- At all times I didn't observed the grids, the AIs behavior was more important to me. Test files (<nowiki>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/139715/OniGalore/BNV_test.zip</nowiki>, dead link).
::: Like seen in the first vid I kept the BNV at all times at height 0. Only the top of the GridIgnore pyramid-thingy changes in height. I tested its top with 19,1; 19; 18,9; 18. See time code 03:17 - 03:22. AI still loses PF at height 18, so I decided to do the next height to be 16. PF works there again. The video ends there but I made more test until I reached 17,9 where AI seems to not randomly lose PF. -- At all times I didn't observed the grids, the AIs behavior was more important to me. Test files (<nowiki>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/139715/OniGalore/BNV_test.zip</nowiki>, dead link).
::: After [http://youtu.be/vfKPzP5hiCo more tests] today, not only jumps can break PF at 17,9 - also rolls, cartwheels and running kicks do. There are probably more anims. Do those issues somehow have to do with the foot/pelvis height? I don't know what's going on anymore. ^_^' --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] ([[User talk:Paradox-01|talk]]) 10:13, 23 August 2013 (CEST)
::: After more tests (<nowiki>https://youtu.be/vfKPzP5hiCo</nowiki>, dead link) today, not only jumps can break PF at 17,9 - also rolls, cartwheels and running kicks do. There are probably more anims. Do those issues somehow have to do with the foot/pelvis height? I don't know what's going on anymore. ^_^' --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] ([[User talk:Paradox-01|talk]]) 10:13, 23 August 2013 (CEST)


::: I had another look on the original pathfinding and noticed that ghosts aren't equally high... My test level didn't used ghosts at all, just one BNV, so OniSplit probably added some default values. (Maybe this also explains our different test results.) -- After splitting the BNV and adding high ghosts (<nowiki>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/139715/OniGalore/BNV_test_2.zip</nowiki>, dead link) the Strike was able to run on a plain that was 42 above the BNV. More testing could be done to determine the max height (if there's any). --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] ([[User talk:Paradox-01|talk]]) 15:43, 23 August 2013 (CEST)
::: I had another look on the original pathfinding and noticed that ghosts aren't equally high... My test level didn't used ghosts at all, just one BNV, so OniSplit probably added some default values. (Maybe this also explains our different test results.) -- After splitting the BNV and adding high ghosts (<nowiki>https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/139715/OniGalore/BNV_test_2.zip</nowiki>, dead link) the Strike was able to run on a plain that was 42 above the BNV. More testing could be done to determine the max height (if there's any). --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] ([[User talk:Paradox-01|talk]]) 15:43, 23 August 2013 (CEST)


:::: The tall ghosts work!  Here is video from my old Outside level with updated bnvs and ghosts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj3ptZnZtx0  [[User:EdT|EdT]] ([[User talk:EdT|talk]])
:::: The tall ghosts work!  Here is video from my old Outside level with updated bnvs and ghosts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yj3ptZnZtx0  [[User:EdT|EdT]] ([[User talk:EdT|talk]])


===Objects that are too low to pass them by sliding/crawling/sneaking===
==Objects that are too low to pass them by sliding/crawling/sneaking==
atm sliding under low objects don't seem to work  
atm sliding under low objects don't seem to work  
:[[User:EdT|EdT]] ([[User talk:EdT|talk]]) The reason for this are the collision spheres, even though you slide, the collision spheres remain vertical.
:[[User:EdT|EdT]] ([[User talk:EdT|talk]]) The reason for this are the collision spheres, even though you slide, the collision spheres remain vertical.
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===Textures that are not power of two===
==Textures that are not power of two==
If you have textures that cause a crash because they are not power of two, please post here those *.oni files.
If you have textures that cause a crash because they are not power of two, please post here those *.oni files.


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===Sky dome - it's a fail===
==Sky dome - it's a fail==
[[File:ONSK_fixes_Motoko_plugin.jpg|thumb]]
[[File:ONSK_fixes_Motoko_plugin.jpg|thumb]]


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===Ideas for OniSplit===
==Ideas for OniSplit==
'''bugfixes'''
'''bugfixes'''


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Works not:
Works not:
* Door
* Door
* Colsole
* Console
* Trigger
* Trigger


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'''improvments'''
'''improvements'''


'''better support for script objects'''
'''better support for script objects'''
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