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==Welcome to my collapsed moral universe==
;Konoko
;(SAID BY KONOKO ON [[User:Geyser/Test2#Page 1|Page 1]])
:Welcome to my collapsed moral universe.
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*[http://guido.oni2.net/music/Oni2BeginningAnew.m4a HERE] you find an m4a file of mine. As the title says, it has something to share with that sentence of yours: "Konoko: Welcome to my collapsed moral universe."
;[[User:GC|GC]]
[[User:GC|GC]]
:[http://guido.oni2.net/music/Oni2BeginningAnew.m4a HERE] you find an m4a file of mine. As the title says, it has something to share with that sentence of yours: "Konoko: Welcome to my collapsed moral universe."
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*Credit for that line goes to a book I recently read. It's titled: [http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=62-1400034639-0 War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning], by former war correspondent [http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week622/hedges.html Chris Hedges]. Quite a remarkable statement on both modern society and the human condition, and short to boot, so it's worth checking out. I've been pulling a lot out of it lately, honestly.
;[[User:AF|AF]]
[[User:AF|AF]]
:Credit for that line goes to a book I recently read. It's titled: [http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=62-1400034639-0 War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning], by former war correspondent [http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week622/hedges.html Chris Hedges]. Quite a remarkable statement on both modern society and the human condition, and short to boot (UNFAMILIAR IDIOM ALERT! [[User:Geyser|geyser]]), so it's worth checking out. I've been pulling a lot out of it lately, honestly.
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*Please explain the "short to boot" idiom : I can see it used as both a positive or a negative...
;[[User:Geyser|geyser]]
*Those who can't or won't read [http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=62-1400034639-0 War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning] (like me) can go for [http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week622/hedges.html an interview with Chris Hedges]. It's shorter, and makes all the relevant points without much pathos.
:Complementary reading/watching suggestions :
*See also [http://www.monochrom.at/amok/ Every Five Seconds an Inkjet Printer Dies Somewhere] : a short article trying to explain "pointless" massacres (running amok). As for movies, make sure you've seen [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093058/ Full Metal Jacket] :
:#[http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/week622/hedges.html an interview with Chris Hedges] : best read before or ''instead'' of [http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=62-1400034639-0 WIAFTGUM] (much shorter, less "poetry" and pathos, and all the relevant points are there)
**"Believe it or not, but under fire, Animal Mother can be a wonderful human being. All he needs is somebody throwing grenades at him 'til the end of his life."
:#[http://www.monochrom.at/amok/ Every Five Seconds an Inkjet Printer Dies Somewhere] : a short article trying to explain "pointless" massacres (running amok). A few considerations (primarily in the first half) are general enough to apply to war : public theater, some kind of heroism VS manifestation of evil.
***Git some! Git some! Git some, yeah, yeah, yeah! Anyone that runs, is a VC. Anyone that stands still, is a well-disciplined VC! You guys oughta do a story about me sometime!  
:#Stanley Kubrick's [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0093058/ Full Metal Jacket]. Two memorable quotes :
***Why should we do a story about you?  
:#*"Believe it or not, but under fire, Animal Mother can be a wonderful human being. All he needs is somebody throwing grenades at him 'til the end of his life."
***'Cuz I'm so fuckin' good! I done got me 157 dead gooks killed. Plus 50 water buffalo too! Them's all confirmed!  
:#and :
***Any women or children?  
:#*Git some! Git some! Git some, yeah, yeah, yeah! Anyone that runs, is a VC. Anyone that stands still, is a well-disciplined VC! You guys oughta do a story about me sometime!  
***Sometimes!  
:#*Why should we do a story about you?  
***How can you shoot women or children?  
:#*'Cuz I'm so fuckin' good! I done got me 157 dead gooks killed. Plus 50 water buffalo too! Them's all confirmed!  
***Easy! Ya just don't lead 'em so much! Ain't war hell?  
:#*Any women or children?  
*Borrowing the first sentence of a narrative from an existing piece doesn't seem right.
:#*Sometimes!  
*If Konoko talks about her moral universe with as much distance as Hedges talks about his, doesn't that make her inconveniently ''lucid''?  
:#*How can you shoot women or children?  
:[[User:Geyser|geyser]]
:#*Easy! Ya just don't lead 'em so much! Ain't war hell?  
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;[[User:Geyser|geyser]]
:Borrowing the first sentence of a narrative from an existing piece doesn't seem right. No matter how thoughtful and original a book is, you can't just go "pulling [things] out of it" ^^
:If Konoko talks about her moral universe with as much distance as Hedges talks about his, doesn't that make her inconveniently ''lucid''?
:If she's spent 4 years rationalizing on her past and present, isn't she well-armed to face the future?
 
 
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==Narrative==
;(FIRST-PERSON NARRATIVE, MORE SPECIFICALLY)
;(FROM KONOKO'S POV, EVEN MORE SPECIFICALLY)
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;[[User:Geyser|geyser]]
:One thing to bear in mind about the medium is that unless you ''show'' Konoko talking, no one will know it's her.
:In movies, the verbal message is complemented by the actual ''voice''. Here, an off-panel monologue has the text as its only support.
:That ambiguity can be a drawback, but also a powerful means to achieve ambiguity. Does the narrator ''have'' to be Konoko? Food for thought...
:For instance, androgynous characters work out nicely on paper : no disambiguation through voice.
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;[[User:Geyser|geyser]]
:Idea : Consider the scene as coming directly after [[User:Geyser/Test|the scene that marks the beginning of Avatar's new life]]... ''Avatar too'' had his "moral universe" shattered when the [[ACC]]s blew up.
:Actually, the narrative of the story-so-far can be first-person ''and'' impersonal. If no specific information is provided, the reader assumes it's Avatar talking. The page/panel layout can then be minimalistic : white text over black background, period.
:When and if you "fade in" to a series of shots "starring" Konoko, there will be a sort of gradual transition from one narrator to the other. Not really "natural", but worth the shot.
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;[[User:Geyser|geyser]]
:Another idea : if you want to show a desolated landscape (wasteland, destroyed [[ACC]]s, dead cities), you can introduce Konoko ''gliding over it rather than walking through it''.
:With her {{C7}} glider. Reminiscent (of course) of Miyazaki's Nausicaä.
:That sequence can be a semi-flashback dream of Mai's (the story would start when she wakes up). Thus some details can be surreal : her glider, for instance, can stay in the air for longer than "expected".
:Also, the picture of destruction can be exaggerated, or echoing other post-apocalyptic references. Various dream-friendly artistic effects, too.

Revision as of 18:30, 12 August 2006

Welcome to my collapsed moral universe

(SAID BY KONOKO ON Page 1)

GC
HERE you find an m4a file of mine. As the title says, it has something to share with that sentence of yours: "Konoko: Welcome to my collapsed moral universe."

AF
Credit for that line goes to a book I recently read. It's titled: War Is a Force That Gives Us Meaning, by former war correspondent Chris Hedges. Quite a remarkable statement on both modern society and the human condition, and short to boot (UNFAMILIAR IDIOM ALERT! geyser), so it's worth checking out. I've been pulling a lot out of it lately, honestly.

geyser
Complementary reading/watching suggestions :
  1. an interview with Chris Hedges : best read before or instead of WIAFTGUM (much shorter, less "poetry" and pathos, and all the relevant points are there)
  2. Every Five Seconds an Inkjet Printer Dies Somewhere : a short article trying to explain "pointless" massacres (running amok). A few considerations (primarily in the first half) are general enough to apply to war : public theater, some kind of heroism VS manifestation of evil.
  3. Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket. Two memorable quotes :
    • "Believe it or not, but under fire, Animal Mother can be a wonderful human being. All he needs is somebody throwing grenades at him 'til the end of his life."
  4. and :
    • Git some! Git some! Git some, yeah, yeah, yeah! Anyone that runs, is a VC. Anyone that stands still, is a well-disciplined VC! You guys oughta do a story about me sometime!
    • Why should we do a story about you?
    • 'Cuz I'm so fuckin' good! I done got me 157 dead gooks killed. Plus 50 water buffalo too! Them's all confirmed!
    • Any women or children?
    • Sometimes!
    • How can you shoot women or children?
    • Easy! Ya just don't lead 'em so much! Ain't war hell?

geyser
Borrowing the first sentence of a narrative from an existing piece doesn't seem right. No matter how thoughtful and original a book is, you can't just go "pulling [things] out of it" ^^
If Konoko talks about her moral universe with as much distance as Hedges talks about his, doesn't that make her inconveniently lucid?
If she's spent 4 years rationalizing on her past and present, isn't she well-armed to face the future?



Narrative

(FIRST-PERSON NARRATIVE, MORE SPECIFICALLY)
(FROM KONOKO'S POV, EVEN MORE SPECIFICALLY)

geyser
One thing to bear in mind about the medium is that unless you show Konoko talking, no one will know it's her.
In movies, the verbal message is complemented by the actual voice. Here, an off-panel monologue has the text as its only support.
That ambiguity can be a drawback, but also a powerful means to achieve ambiguity. Does the narrator have to be Konoko? Food for thought...
For instance, androgynous characters work out nicely on paper : no disambiguation through voice.

geyser
Idea : Consider the scene as coming directly after the scene that marks the beginning of Avatar's new life... Avatar too had his "moral universe" shattered when the ACCs blew up.
Actually, the narrative of the story-so-far can be first-person and impersonal. If no specific information is provided, the reader assumes it's Avatar talking. The page/panel layout can then be minimalistic : white text over black background, period.
When and if you "fade in" to a series of shots "starring" Konoko, there will be a sort of gradual transition from one narrator to the other. Not really "natural", but worth the shot.

geyser
Another idea : if you want to show a desolated landscape (wasteland, destroyed ACCs, dead cities), you can introduce Konoko gliding over it rather than walking through it.
With her CHAPTER 07 . A FRIEND IN NEED glider. Reminiscent (of course) of Miyazaki's Nausicaä.
That sequence can be a semi-flashback dream of Mai's (the story would start when she wakes up). Thus some details can be surreal : her glider, for instance, can stay in the air for longer than "expected".
Also, the picture of destruction can be exaggerated, or echoing other post-apocalyptic references. Various dream-friendly artistic effects, too.