Talk:BioCrisis

Originally from Restless_Souls/Reconstruction/Global_development

Please translate this into English. Expand and cross-link appropriately.

Allow for alternatives. Oh, and don't read too much into the manual ^_^

geyser

OK, the reason why I moved this here from the RS page is:

Once we have had enough multilateral exchange of thoughts

(and summarized the discussion in the BioCrisis article)

you'll no longer have to develop on the BioCrisis anywhere.

Instead you can link to the appropriate section of BioCrisis.

Of course nothing is "sealed": every page remains a notepad.

But it keeps the added value organized and easy to take in.

geyser 03:44, 4 October 2007 (CEST)

Now I think I'll proofread your translation and then comment.

Erm, no, I'll proofread it and let you reconsider, first ^_^

Maybe you'll want to fix a few hasty points you made.

geyser 03:44, 4 October 2007 (CEST)

As you see: the translation wasn't the best but also no 1-to-1 because the changes are wanted by me.

And the hasty points, ok, lets see:

• We know from at least four sources (console reports, Fuji article, airport poster and Hasegawa's diary) that the smog (smog, really??? geyser)

Smog. Yes... We could say polluted air but that's what is smog also. In Oni's case most of the population is concentrated in cities , and that is where smog get heavy and poisonous. Now I wonder if the quarantine zones aren't cleaner. ^_^

• According to an ACC report "Class 4 airborne toxins" can arise during an overload (really??? geyser)

Nice... I mixed facts with own interpretation. Seems that I wrote this without having a second look onto the material.

Mai blowed up the ACC most probably by overloading them. And then I remembered "something" in the ACC report about toxics which will arise by an "accident or something"...

In fact (should mean: in a not re-interpreted storyline like "True Number Zero") Muro's men sabotaged the ACC to spread out "Class 4 airbore toxins" after the Sturmanderung puls was send.

Yea, I think that's it what happened. So, please, don't hit me or "something". ;-)

• Of course "we don't know that for sure", but with the upcoming global catastrophe (who can see it coming??? geyser)

To be more specific: On earth almost all ACCs was blown up and the people should know by them-self what this will mean for their future. Plus, the the toxic will need some time to spread out and to take visible effect like diseases.

• converting the survivors into genetically clean and better humans. (übermensch, eh??? geyser)

The accent lies on "survivors". Spontaneous, let me try a more or less good analogy. Before the Industrial Revolution took place farmer thrash the corn by hand and then it came to separation. "Die Spreu vom Weizen trennen." Thrown in the air, the wind blew the hulls away. In Oni we've a "Sturm"...

Now we could imagine what people are going to think. (And nobody know whether he's the corn or the hulls.)

So, I think that the Syndicate wouldn't admit the Daodan's true potential - in genetic aspect.

And even if the survivor will become "Übermenschen". What's worth when their mind get altered/corrupted?

• how many [Daodan] do you think they have??? and how can they "distribute" matching clones to total strangers???

At least enough for them-self. Let's say a half million (distributed all over the world). If they are willing to distribute, "Beta Daodan" comes in my mind again.

My idea of the daodan is that it has an "genetic concept" for self-improving and don't depend on "minor" differences in the DNA. (At least it was developed for a human DNA.)

• wow, are you reading Wikipedia upside down???

Maybe I just picked the right ones - and yes: the German wiki is smaller. Take a look HERE

Bio Crisis

Gegenwart

Von immerhin vier Quellen (Konsolenbericht, Zeitungsbericht, Flughafen-Poster und Hasegawa’s Erzählung) wissen wir, dass der Smog bzw. die Quarantänezonen schon vor dem Big Bang präsent waren. Die Auswirkungen dessen sind jedoch noch weniger aufgezählt. Spekulation: Maskenpflicht und Gefahr von Krankheitserreger wie Viren in der freien Natur. Das Handbuch erwähnt noch, dass die Arbeiten außerhalb der Städte (bezüglich den Rückgewinnungsteams) und selbst an den APs sehr gefährlich sei.

Im Sturmanderung-Report ist 152ppm für die nicht weiter beschriebenen Dioxine als letzter gemessene Wert angegeben. Nach dem Big Bang würde der Smog und seine Symptome noch stärker sein. Ein AKZ-Bericht spricht von „Level-4-Toxinen“, die bei einer Überlastung entstehen. Eine Aussicht aufs kommende gibt uns das Outro – in Konoko’s Worten: „die Toten und Sterbenden säumen die Straßen“.

Vergangenheit

Ja, natürlich wissen wir nichts darüber, aber in Oni’s Welt, mit der kommenden Katastrophe, würden sicher Stimmen laut, die Antworten verlangen. Laut Handbuch ist die Regierung nur an der „Zentrierung des Wohlstands“ daher an der Zentrierung der Bevölkerung interessiert und eine schon verseuchte Umwelt ist da hilfreich. Ich denke dies war nur mit dem Gründungskrieg der WKR möglich. Parallele Wortlaute sind: „in Wahrheit ging es nur ums Geld“ und „Technopanik“. Dies führt zu der in 2.3.1 WKR (Entstehung) erklärten These, dass die Wirtschaft die Regierung steuert. (Siehe auch letzten Abschnitt.)

Zukunft

Wird keine diplomatische Lösung gefunden, werden WKR und Syndikat sich gegenseitig zu zerfetzen suchen. Dass dabei die Bevölkerung Leid tragend ist, macht es ideal sie zu manipulieren und gegen den „Feind“ einzusetzen. Wer die Bevölkerung überzeugen kann, hat gewonnen. Dabei stehen sich folgende Aspekte gegenüber: 1) Die WKR hat den Smog zu verantworten, das Syndikat dessen Stärkung. (Die WKR könnte Sturmanderung als nationalsozialistisch-hintergründigen Genozid auslegen.) 2) In der herrschenden Panik kann das Syndikat die Chrysalis als einzige Überlebenschance propagieren. (Wir wissen nicht wie stärk die Verseuchung wirklich ist. Demnach könnte es sich, wie bei der WKR-Gründung, um eine „Technopanik“ handeln.) Problem dabei ist, und wird demnach geheim gehalten, dass nicht annähernd zehn Milliarden Exemplare bereitstehen.

New World Order

(Auch die Interpretationen zu politischen und wirtschaftlichen Hintergründen dienten nur dazu einem „FanFiction“-Sequel Gestallt zu geben.) Nach verstärkter Recherche in Wikipedia zu den beiden Thematiken drifteten die Ausagen des Material immer weiter Richtung Verschwörungstheorie. Davon möchte ich mich distanzieren. Oni eigenes Material und dazugehörige Interpretationen sowie vereinzelte Fakten (z.B. aus Arte’s Themenabend: Why We Fight) sollen hierfür genügen.

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Present

We know from at least four sources (console reports, Fuji article, airport poster and Hasegawa's diary) that the smog (smog, really??? geyser) or quarantined zones had existed before the Big Bang (abnormal Sturmanderung pulse set off by Mai). The causes and direct consequences aren't mentioned. We can speculate that the citizens are often required to wear "HAPEMASK" respirators as protection against airborne pollutants and that the natural environment is contaminated with virulent pathogens (toxins/bacteria/viruses).

152ppm was the last measured dioxin level in the Sturmanderung report; after the Big Bang the pollution and their symptoms will be much more and stronger.

According to an ACC report "Class 4 airborne toxins" can arise during an overload (really??? geyser). Whatever this means isn't clear - at least, Konoko talked about "The dead and the dying now line the streets" in the outro, so the effect must be enormous.

Past

Of course "we don't know that for sure", but with the upcoming global catastrophe (who can see it coming??? geyser) there is bound to be a public outcry demanding answers as for why this happened (sorry, at what moment??? geyser). And most probably the story started far in the past.

The manual states that the government is only interested in a "centralization of wealth", hence in a "concentrated population" ("pull" factor), and a polluted environment was helpful in that respect (as a "push factor"). I think this was only made possible by a war - the WCG foundation war (an exceptional "pull" factor).

Parallel quotes (possibly applicable to the genesis of META) are „If the truth were told, it was all about the money“ and „techno-phobia“.

Hence the thesis (REF) that it's the economy that runs the government, not the other way round.

(NEW: which would have META say "vote us in and we'll do it better"...)

(See also paragraph "New World Order" below)

(looks like you don't really understand the context of META's genesis; see below ^_^ geyser)

Future

If no diplomatic solution can be found, then the WCG and the Syndicate will try to tear each other into pieces. The fact that the population suffers the most will make it all the easier to manipulate and to set against the "enemy". He who has convinced the masses has won.

This raises the following contradictory trends:

1) WCG is responsible for originally creating the smog (what smog??? geyser) or for not dealing with it, and the Syndicate - for making it increase. (as a bonus, the WCG could brand Sturmanderung as a genocide with a neonazi background) (OMG... geyser)

2) In the middle of the general panic the Syndicate can promote the Daodan Chrysalis as the only chance of survival. ("We don't know for sure" how strong the contamination will be. So the Syndicate might be bluffing, not unlike the WCG's use of "techno-phobia".)

(NEW: The WCG itself can say that the Daodan Chrysalis is just part two of the (neonazi) Sturmanderung - converting the survivors into genetically clean and better humans. (übermensch, eh??? geyser) (actually, that's not a lie... geyser)

However (notes concerning trend 2)

• (NEW: The Syndicate would prefer to let a lot of people die at the start because) they don't have 10 billion copies ready to distribute.

(how many do you think they have??? and how can they "distribute" matching clones to total strangers??? geyser 03:44, 4 October 2007 (CEST))

What would happen if they say "Yea, we are here to save you" and then "oh sorry, we don't have enough"?

• (NEW: Crap. It's not just unrealistic it would make them suspicious, too. So, saying the truth is even better at this point.

"As you see we are unprepared. But we will share our strength with as many people as possible, the WCG excluded.")

New World Order

(Keep in mind that those wild interpretations of the political and economical backgrounds only serve the purpose to give some "Gestalt" to a fan fiction sequel.)

After browsing Wikipedia a lot on those two aspects the statements in the material I found kept drifting in the direction of conspiracy theories. I'd like to stay away from that. Oni eigenes Material und dazugehörige Interpretationen sowie vereinzelte Fakten (z.B. aus Arte’s Themenabend: Why We Fight) sollen hierfür genügen.

So I decided to concentrate on using Oni's own material and directly relevant interpretations, as well as isolated facts (e.g., "why we fight" and "Söldner - ein Beruf mit Zukunft", documentaries from Arte's Theme Night).

(NEW: The interpretation and final use is a different story but I will also try my best not to overdo it.

(wow, are you reading Wikipedia upside down??? geyser) (or maybe the German Wikipedia is much less encyclopedical than the English one??? geyser)

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General thoughts about your idea of the aftermath, and your misconception of META.

Politics or conspiracies are IMO totally irrelevant after what you call the Big Bang.

(I've been calling it 12/3 and the Cataclysm so far, but it needs more brainstorming)

Martial law, skirmishes, religious fanatism: that's OK. But elections? Come on...

The centralized WCG runs a few dozen centralized regions and a few hundred centralized cities.

All these rely on iron lungs (the ACCs), and even so they face a steady rise of toxin levels.

If all but a few ACCs become unavailable, those cities will be no better than quarantined zones.

And with only a few regions/cities remaining, can the WCG have any physical authority at all?

(on the global scale, I mean; their troops just might be able to secure a city or region)

At the time of Oni, the WCG was already in a not-too-favorable geopolitical situation, but now...

Propaganda is of course relevant, but more at the scale of isolated cities under siege.

Ideology - maybe. But economy and politics walk, IMO. It's about resources, vital ones.

META is what happens when the Strikers claim control of a surviving city or region.

If they do it the smart way, they'll assimilate the WCG's media and administration.

More, later. Maybe you can proofread my proofreading of your translation first?

geyser 03:44, 4 October 2007 (CEST)

On a side note: fewer people means less pollution, ultimately. Regeneration (like in Nausicaa or Ergo Proxy).

However, if survivors concentrate, there's a risk of overpollution in the immediate vicinity (sorta like Ecoban).

geyser 03:51, 4 October 2007 (CEST)

Oh, note that I've made the console quotes conveniently transcludable. May add a few features later.

geyser 03:51, 4 October 2007 (CEST)

META is an original concept of a totalitarian state established shortly after 12/3.

If no diplomatic solution can be found, then the WCG and the Syndicate will try to tear each other into pieces.

But if a diplomatic solution can be found, then I had called it META. This was an idea before RS became considered as a big "gamebook". Well, the possibility of fusioned Syndicate and WCG have still a place in my thoughts. But more important to say: the official election was planed to be a fake. They declare WCG war but work secretly together. The people should believe "democracy is still alive".

Paradox-01 17:11, 6 October 2007 (CEST)