Mouse control issues: Difference between revisions

Latest revision as of 16:26, 24 September 2023

Before reading the below, you should be aware that Daodan DLL v4.1 fixes the input issues that many players were having. It can be installed manually (see the Daodan page for instructions) or automatically through the Anniversary Edition. OniX should also be free of these issues.

Problems

There have been many issues reported by players with mouse and sometimes keyboard control:

The mouse moves in steps, as if it's on a grid.
Mouse movements do not move the camera consistently; the speed varies widely.
Combos are hard to pull off as keys are only responsive some of the time. It is almost impossible to dash.
Mouse movements cause the camera to tilt upward and spin wildly.

Potential solutions

Is the camera spinning quickly or tilting uncontrollably?

Turn off HiDPI scaling:
- Windows 8: Right-click Oni.exe and choose "Properties". Go to the "Compatibility" tab. Check the "Disable display scaling on high DPI settings" box.
- Windows 10, 11: Right-click on Oni.exe and choose "Properties". Go to the "Compatibility" tab. Click on the "Change high DPI settings" button. Check the "Override high DPI scaling behavior" box. Scaling should be performed by "Application".

Do you have a high refresh rate monitor?

See this patch on PCGamingWiki that adjusts for monitors which use refresh rates above 60Hz. (Note that you can download the pre-patched app from that page rather than applying the hex edit yourself.)
Force V-sync in the Catalyst/Nvidia Control Panel.
Cap the frame rate at 60fps with your graphics card control panel. The recommended software for doing this is RivaTuner Statistics Server.
Place Oni on a second screen that runs at 60Hz, by moving the Oni window while running in windowed mode or by turning off your primary display.

Do you have a high DPI or high refresh rate mouse?

You could try adjusting your mouse's DPI, but odds are that the problem is really coming from the poll rate. If it's set to 1000Hz, change it to a lower number like 125Hz. The poll rate may be adjustable on the underside of the mouse itself or may be a setting in the mouse's control panel.

Other things to try

Install the Daodan DLL, which has a "performance patch" that could fix timing errors caused by faulty chipsets. This fix has been reported to work by some people. (If you have the Anniversary Edition installed, you already have the Daodan DLL.)
Run in windowed mode (use the "-noswitch" argument or double-click run_wind.bat). If you were already using windowed mode, try running in full-screen mode.
Update your graphics drivers. Do not use Windows Update; instead go to your graphics card's website and download the drivers directly from there.
Higher graphics settings can make the problem less noticeable by lowering the frame rate closer to or below 60. Try forcing 8x antialiasing in your graphics card control panel.

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-There have been many issues reported on [http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/ Oni Central Forum] about mouse lag or unresponsive controls. This issue is most common to (or only occurs to?) Vista users. It also occured to me (rossy) but appears to have gone away with the latest drivers/updates to my system.
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+==Problems==
+There have been many issues reported by players with mouse and sometimes keyboard control:
+*The mouse moves in steps, as if it's on a grid.
+*Mouse movements do not move the camera consistently; the speed varies widely.
+*Combos are hard to pull off as keys are only responsive some of the time. It is almost impossible to dash.
+*Mouse movements cause the camera to tilt upward and spin wildly.
-===Complete (?) list of Help and Troubleshooting Topics in chronological order===
+==Potential solutions==
-*http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/viewtopic.php?id=149 (old...)
+{{Anchor|Camera}}
-*I didn't check any posts before 746 except for post 149, there could be others between those times and before post 149.
+===Is the camera spinning quickly or tilting uncontrollably?===
-*http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/viewtopic.php?id=746 ???
+*Turn off HiDPI scaling:
-*http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/viewtopic.php?id=767
+**Windows 8: Right-click Oni.exe and choose "Properties". Go to the "Compatibility" tab. Check the "Disable display scaling on high DPI settings" box.
-*http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/viewtopic.php?id=801 ???
+**Windows 10, 11: Right-click on Oni.exe and choose "Properties". Go to the "Compatibility" tab. Click on the "Change high DPI settings" button. Check the "Override high DPI scaling behavior" box. Scaling should be performed by "Application".
-*http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/viewtopic.php?id=824 ???
-*http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/viewtopic.php?id=907
-*http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/viewtopic.php?id=937 ???
-*http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/viewtopic.php?id=970
-===Known facts (symptoms) of the issue===
+===Do you have a high refresh rate monitor?===
-*(Probably/usually) exclusive to Windows Vista.
+*See [https://www.pcgamingwiki.com/wiki/Oni#Choppy_mouse.2Fkeyboard_control this patch on PCGamingWiki] that adjusts for monitors which use refresh rates above 60Hz. (Note that you can download the pre-patched app from that page rather than applying the hex edit yourself.)
-*(Probably/usually) exclusive to multi-core CPUs.
+*Force V-sync in the Catalyst/Nvidia Control Panel.
-*Fraps reports the game's framerate to be much higher than 60fps. (I'm unsure whether the same data is returned by Oni's internal framerate counter, Ctrl+Shift+Y)
+*Cap the frame rate at 60fps with your graphics card control panel. The recommended software for doing this is [https://www.guru3d.com/download/rtss-rivatuner-statistics-server-download RivaTuner Statistics Server].
-*Higher graphics settings can cause the problem to become less noticable as the framerate gets closer to or below 60. (Try 8x antialiasing in the nVidia Control Panel)
+*Place Oni on a second screen that runs at 60Hz, by moving the Oni window while running in windowed mode or by turning off your primary display.
-*This suggests that the problem is somehow related to framerate and internal timing issues in Oni.
-*Quote from Gumby "If the game runs much faster than 60 clicks, the mouse input data isn't updated fast enough."
-*The mouse moves in steps, as if it's on a "grid".
-*Combos are hard to pull off as keys are only responsive some of the time, it is also almost impossible to dash.
-*This thing is interesting http://social.msdn.microsoft.com/Forums/en-US/windowssdk/thread/980e5018-3ade-4823-a6dc-5ddbcc3091d5 .
-===Possible fixes===
+===Do you have a high DPI or high refresh rate mouse?===
-There are no known fixes, these fixes have been reported to work by some people but have been ineffective for others. In some cases, a combination of some of these fixes might be necessary.
+*You could try adjusting your mouse's DPI, but odds are that the problem is really coming from the poll rate. If it's set to 1000Hz, change it to a lower number like 125Hz. The poll rate may be adjustable on the underside of the mouse itself or may be a setting in the mouse's control panel.
-*'''Force V-sync in the Catalyst\NVIDIA Control Panel''' (confirmed fix)
-*Update your graphics drivers, do not use Windows Update, instead go to your card's website and download drivers direct from there. (http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index.aspx?lang=en-us)
+===Other things to try===
-*Run Windows Update. Ensure you are on the latest Service Pack for your operating system. Windows Vista's latest version is Vista Service Pack 2, XP's latest service pack is SP3. Note: Windows XP SP3 is not "evil" because it contains parts of Vista, please don't continue using XP SP2 because of rumors you have heard on the internet, SP3 contains many important fixes and could solve issues that you have with Oni.
+*Install the [[Daodan DLL]], which has a "performance patch" that could fix timing errors caused by faulty chipsets. This fix has been reported to work by some people. (If you have the [[Anniversary Edition]] installed, you already have the Daodan DLL.)
-*If you have a multi-core system (Pentium Dual Core, Core 2 Duo, Quad, etc.) there are patched EXE's that force Oni to only run on a single core. Here: http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/viewtopic.php?id=766 and here: http://rossy.oni2.net/files/single-core/Oni.exe .
+*Run in windowed mode (use the "-noswitch" argument or double-click run_wind.bat). If you were already using windowed mode, try running in full-screen mode.
-*Install either this: http://rossy.oni2.net/files/binkw32.dll or this: http://svn.oni2.net/Daodan/release/binkw32.dll [[Daodan DLL]], both have a "performance patch" that could fix timing errors caused by faulty chipsets. This fix has been reported to work by some people.
+*Update your graphics drivers. Do not use Windows Update; instead go to your graphics card's website and download the drivers directly from there.
-*Run in windowed mode or "-noswitch" mode, if you already use windowed mode run in fullscreen.
+*Higher graphics settings can make the problem less noticeable by lowering the frame rate closer to or below 60. Try forcing 8x antialiasing in your graphics card control panel.
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