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==Engine/data discussion==
==Password field==
I don't have much experience reverse-engineering game data, but I have a lot of questions from looking through the strings in the game data files in the Oni 2 ISO, namely, BANKS.DAT, RB.DAT, SCPS_123.45 (the binary), and STREAMS.DAT:
What is that Password field for, on the game's Options screen? It's only four characters, and rather than allowing you to select A-Z for each space, each slot has a different selection of <strike>numbers</strike>characters that is allowed:
*What does "RB" mean? It occurs everywhere, including in the name of file RB.DAT.
# A-F and S
*There are references to a Chrysalis entity in RB.DAT. An entity is any kind of object, animate or inanimate.
# A-F and W
*There are references to Konoko skateboarding. There's even a skateboard texture. What is that about? See "Entity/KonokoBoarder" in RB.DAT. KonokoGym sounds interesting too.
# A-F and Y
*Among the other entities, which are often abbreviated to three characters, is "shn". Could that be who I think it is? I'd like to draw attention to the resources named "win32_shn_LODs[0-3].mod". Could these be rips from Oni? I'm suspicious that they ripped other resources from Oni, like the Lariat and back-roll throw animations. Of course, they could simply have asked the animator to reproduce those by hand. But they also seem to have the model/textures for the original Konoko in the dev build (she appears in Brawler). If "shn" is indeed Shinatama, she doesn't appear in Brawler, which seemingly spawns all characters (or maybe it doesn't!).
# Only A-F
*What is that Password field for, on the game's Options screen? It's only four characters, and rather than allowing you to select A-Z for each space, the first slot only allows A-F and S, the second slot only allows A-F and W, the third slot allows A-F and Y, and the fourth slot allows only A-F. The A-F seems to be a reference to hexadecimal. The fact that the only characters allowed for the first three slots besides A-F are S, W, and Y implies to me that at least one password is "SWY_", where the '_' is something between A and F. However, I tried all those permutations and didn't see any result in the game. I cannot find a string anywhere in the game data that is of the form "SWY", nor "YWS" if written little-endian like Oni's tag codes. So I may be arriving at a wrong conclusion based on the allowed characters.
 
*It's possible that the Password is where cheat codes are entered. There's a single reference to cheats in the engine, a portion that reads "End Cheat Flying Mode [...] Start Cheat Flying Mode". Perhaps the mystery "SWY_" code above is the flying cheat?
The "A-F" business seems to be a reference to hexadecimal. The fact that the only characters outside of that range which are allowed for the first three slots are S, W, and Y implies to me that at least one password is "SWY_", where the '_' is something from A to F. However, I tried all those permutations and didn't see any result in the game. I cannot find a string anywhere in the game data that is of the form "SWY", nor "YWS" if written little-endian like Oni's tag codes. So I may be arriving at a wrong conclusion based on the allowed characters. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 04:28, 12 December 2016 (CET)
*Does anyone want to try to extract the game data? I don't have the time, and since this is an unfinished PS2 game there's not a lot of modding potential in terms of bringing data into the game. But there's certainly some resources that I would like to see (for examples, take a look at any part of RB.DAT, or the beginning of STREAM.DAT at the names of the .stm files). Some interesting-sounding resources do not seem to appear in the dev build. Since AGE is a known engine, it's possible that someone has already attempted to reverse-engineer the format of these resources for the sake of another game. AGE eventually became an engine that powers games released for PC too, including the GTA series, which would have made it a matter of great interest for modders, but it's likely that the data formats have changed considerably since the time that Oni 2 was under development.
:Wrong conclusion indeed. The allowed sets of characters do ''not'' imply that any of the six combinations SWY[ABCDEF] must work as a valid password. The can very well be passwords like SAAA, BWBB, CCYC or even DDDD. So ultimately you need to test the whole bunch [ABCDEFS][ABCDEFW][ABCDEFY][ABCDEF]. The good news is that it's "only" 2058 combinations. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 22:24, 25 March 2020 (CET)
*The level scripts might be interesting to read. See the references to the "ScrOni" system in the binary, and the names of the .onc files in RB.DAT. Unfortunately it seems that the scripts are not encoded in plain-text.
::Yes, I see your point. It would be faster to just disassemble the binary to figure out what password(s) are allowed. I believe I attempted this in 2016, since I had just learned MIPS32 asm, but I apparently wasn't good enough to figure out what the password function wanted by reading the asm. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 22:44, 25 March 2020 (CET)
--[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 04:28, 12 December 2016 (CET)
 
 
Perhaps the Password field is where cheat codes are entered? There's a single reference to cheats in the engine, a portion that reads "End Cheat Flying Mode [...] Start Cheat Flying Mode". Perhaps the mystery "SWY_" code above is the flying cheat? --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 04:28, 12 December 2016 (CET)
 
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Password field

What is that Password field for, on the game's Options screen? It's only four characters, and rather than allowing you to select A-Z for each space, each slot has a different selection of numberscharacters that is allowed:

  1. A-F and S
  2. A-F and W
  3. A-F and Y
  4. Only A-F

The "A-F" business seems to be a reference to hexadecimal. The fact that the only characters outside of that range which are allowed for the first three slots are S, W, and Y implies to me that at least one password is "SWY_", where the '_' is something from A to F. However, I tried all those permutations and didn't see any result in the game. I cannot find a string anywhere in the game data that is of the form "SWY", nor "YWS" if written little-endian like Oni's tag codes. So I may be arriving at a wrong conclusion based on the allowed characters. --Iritscen (talk) 04:28, 12 December 2016 (CET)

Wrong conclusion indeed. The allowed sets of characters do not imply that any of the six combinations SWY[ABCDEF] must work as a valid password. The can very well be passwords like SAAA, BWBB, CCYC or even DDDD. So ultimately you need to test the whole bunch [ABCDEFS][ABCDEFW][ABCDEFY][ABCDEF]. The good news is that it's "only" 2058 combinations. --geyser (talk) 22:24, 25 March 2020 (CET)
Yes, I see your point. It would be faster to just disassemble the binary to figure out what password(s) are allowed. I believe I attempted this in 2016, since I had just learned MIPS32 asm, but I apparently wasn't good enough to figure out what the password function wanted by reading the asm. --Iritscen (talk) 22:44, 25 March 2020 (CET)


Perhaps the Password field is where cheat codes are entered? There's a single reference to cheats in the engine, a portion that reads "End Cheat Flying Mode [...] Start Cheat Flying Mode". Perhaps the mystery "SWY_" code above is the flying cheat? --Iritscen (talk) 04:28, 12 December 2016 (CET)

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