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 :Please don't be pedantic about "chibi" etc. If it's "chibi" to those who draw it, then it should be good enough for you. I can assure you that Russians (RedDog and SeverED included) have no idea what "SD" means. And to me as a non-native English speaker, "super deformed" sounds, well, ugly: it's an inconvenient mouthful with a [[wikipedia:teratology|teratological]] connotation. "Chibi" has a much more kawaii sound to it, so unless you have another Japanese term, just STFU ^_^ --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
+::I wasn't specifically objecting to the word "chibi", just the category's existence. It's silly. But I can live with that. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
 :"Contents" sounds sensible for something that's supposed to read roughly as a TOC. If you're looking for a funky name, you can call the root "Prime". --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
+::"Contents" is fine, I have no problem with that. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
 :"Early renders" is applied improperly sometimes to in-game screenshots, sometimes to stuff that was rendered after Oni was shipped. I'd delete it. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
+::Yeah, it's potentially confusing. Removed. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
 :The "Art by Mullins" is not really fan art, and some of the art by Guido and Russian artists is project-oriented. I suggest a looser hierarchy there. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
+::Ah, looser isn't quite what's needed, I see it now; this kind of situation is meant to be handled as I've done it now, with a separate cat. for "Art by artists". As you pointed out, multiple inheritance means we can now say that some Oni 2 art is "by Guido" (and not fan art) as well as putting it under "Oni 2 concept art". --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
 :"Wallpapers" don't necessarily qualify as fan art: think screenshots, high-res versions of splashscreens, or more or less "official" wallpapers. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
+::You're right; moved it out from under Fan art. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
 :"Humor" sounds like too general a name for humorous images. You can make that name more specific and/or allow for a more general Humor category. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
+::Er, I made it "Humor images", is that specific enough? Don't know how else it can be improved, it seems fine that way to me. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
 :"Illustrations" is an ambiguous name, and it is counterintuitive (and in many cases wrong) how is implicitly excludes art, screenshots, etc. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
+::You're right, the word "illustrations" usually implies art. I have changed it back to using the current name, "Article illustrations". --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
 :Frames from the intro and outro don't really qualify as in-game content, as well as the splashscreens. Also, what about other games than Oni? --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
+::Sorry, this is the only place I flat-out disagree with you. In-game is anything you see after double-clicking the Oni icon. As for other games/media, I've made two cat.s for those below. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
 :I'm afraid I can't make a definitive statement on any trunk after "Images" as a whole. Just a few casual remarks right now. More, later, maybe. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
 :"Oni support" sounds like an "Out-of-universe Oni" or "Technically Oni" kind of thing. Have a quick look at [http://dunepedia.wetpaint.com/page/Main+Category%3A+Out+of-Universe+Categories Dunepedia]. What about modding tutorials? --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
+::Also, Halopedia uses the category "The Real World" to discuss Halo as a game, not a story. I think saying "real world" is the clearest term we can go with. Trying that for now. Still not sure yet where pages about merely Oni-related stuff would go, like "Myth" or "Nausicaa". --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
 :I wouldn't call "Templates" an "Administrative" category. Also, the categories should be named as explicitly as possible and in "... ''templates''" --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
+::Templates are definitely administrative, unless you propose making another level-1 cat. for them, which to me isn't justified. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
 :I would have other remarks, e.g., about "Added value" or "AE" vs "Modding projects", but that'd be more or less subjective and polemical. Later. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
+::I'm not that confident about where I placed "Added value". And "AE" should probably be under "Current modding projects"; trying it under there for now to see how it looks; note that only pages directly related to your AE work would be there, none of that "all modding belongs to the AE" nonsense. :-3 --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
 :Generally, categorizing modding projects right now is hard, because the tools are in development and the perspectives are unclear. Scope creep. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
+::Nah, it's not that hard. :-3 --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
 :I think we both know by now that the Cat Tree is not really a tree, i.e., multiple parents are actually allowed. Please take this into account. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:54, 10 November 2008 (CET)
+::Yeah, still trying to fully wrap my head around the methodology. --[[User:Iritscen|iritscen]] 00:09, 11 November 2008 (CET)
 ==Category Tree Proposal==
 I believe all current categories are in this tree. I also renamed some, and obviously had to make a few new ones. --'''Iritscen'''<br>
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 plain = current cats
-'''Fundamental''' -- we need a root, or "level 0" category, and this is what Halopedia calls it; WP calls it '''Contents''', but I'm fonder of this name
+'''Contents'''
 :'''Images'''
 ::'''Art'''
 :::Art by Lorraine
-:::Chibi -- *sigh*, if we must continue to have this
+:::''Chibi art''
 :::Concept art
-::::Early renders -- probably should be called ''Concept renders'', or maybe we should remove it and just use "Concept art" for the 3D stuff too)
+::::'''Oni concept art'''
+::::'''Oni 2 concept art'''
 :::Dark Horse comics
-:::Fan art
+:::'''Art by artist'''
 ::::Art by Guido
 ::::Art by Craig Mullins
 ::::Art by Rina
+:::Fan art
 ::::Fan renders
 ::::Second-hand art
 ::::Project Konoko V
-::::Wallpapers
+:::Wallpapers
-:::Humor -- notice how it's outside "Fan *art*"
+:::'''Humor images'''
 :::Promotional art
 ::Avatars and sigs
 ::Glyphs
-::''Illustrations'' -- made for articles, should not be art, but rather diagrams or screenshots of apps such as OUP
+::Article illustrations -- made for articles, should not be art, but rather diagrams or screenshots of apps such as OUP
 :::''OBD hex images'' -- current name, "OBD data images", is redundant
 ::''In-game images'' -- formerly "In-game art"
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 :::Splashscreens
 ::Logos & icons -- need to change the ampersand to "and", though
+::Images from other games -- it's verbose, I know ("Non-Oni game images"?); if you have a more concise idea, I'd like to hear it
+::Images from other media -- "Non-Oni media"? would include the animé screenshots, pictures of the Nausicaä manga, etc.
 :'''Oni modding'''
 ::'''BSL'''
 ::Modding projects
-:::'''Anniversary Edition'''
-::::AE to-do
 :::'''Current modding projects''' -- onss that aren't finished; I foresee this as being useful; when project is done, it gets filed under a sub-cat. of "Finished" below
+::::'''Anniversary Edition'''
+:::::AE to-do
 :::'''Finished modding projects''' -- sub-cat.s are taken from cat.s used on Mod Depot, except added cat. for levels
 ::::'''Animation mods'''
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 ::Modding tools
 ::'''OBD'''
-:'''Oni support''' -- not all that happy with the word "support"; I want to convey that this is for all pages with facts about Oni, that are not facts from within the Oni universe
+:'''Real-world Oni''' -- for all pages with facts about Oni, that are not facts from within the Oni universe
 ::Gameplay tools
 ::'''Help''' -- containing pages like Troubleshooting and Gameplay
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 ::'''Policies and guidelines'''
 ::Templates
-:::'''Administrative''' -- such as <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki> (we really shouldn't have two cat.s with the same name, though)
+:::'''Administrative templates''' -- such as <nowiki>{{delete}}</nowiki>
-:::Formatting -- anything not a table, header or footer
+:::''Formatting templates'' -- anything not a table, header or footer
-:::Headers and footers
+:::''Header and footer templates''
-:::''Macros'' -- currently "Standard terms"
+:::''Macro templates'' -- currently "Standard terms"
-:::'''Notices''' -- such as <nowiki>{{SeeTalkPage}}</nowiki>
+:::'''Notice templates''' -- such as <nowiki>{{SeeTalkPage}}</nowiki>
-:::Tables
+:::''Table templates''