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 :Having the WCG instituted in 2012 also feels a bit weird, with Jamie dying in 2014 and Chrysalises already grown in 2016 -- it just doesn't leave much time for the TCTF's regulations to have kicked in, or for the Network to have already evolved into "The Syndicate" by the time Hasegawa and Kerr start working there. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 18:42, 7 June 2020 (CEST)
 ::The only awkwardly-tight timing is the development of the Daodan Chrysalis, which itself is not hard to explain if one assumes that (a) Hasegawa and Kerr had relevant prior experience, (b) the technology of the time was close enough to what they needed that they didn't have to advance all of science by a human lifespan in 3 years, and (c) they ''found'' the Daodan, rather than creating it. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 02:59, 8 June 2020 (CEST)
+:::Agree. c) Finding the Daodan (or being found by it) gave them a miraculous boost, but still left them with a probable several months of research both before the discovery (exploring/experimenting) and afterwards (designing various monitoring protocols, mostly); b) if tha Daodan is mostly another Phase Thingie, and the Chrysalis is cancer, then yeah, the science of Oni-2014 probably had the basics covered; a) yeah, although it may be fun/useful to imagine what they'd been working on prior to Jamie's death. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 01:17, 9 June 2020 (CEST)
 :One solution I see is just to move the Uprising to the early 2000s, and the emergence of pre-WCG entities (Phase, Network, initial pollution) to the 1990s or even 1980s. That leaves the problem of the Freedom Riots occurring in 2012: if we identify them as the same "world riots" as the ones that happened immediately after the Uprising, then we'd need to edit the PSP's WPge to say "2002"; if they're different riots (10 years into WCG or something like that), then there's nothing to change. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 18:42, 7 June 2020 (CEST)
 :Another solution -- that would keep both the Uprising and Freedom Riots in 2012 -- is, indeed, to say that: a) pollution (in the Zones) had existed long before the Uprising; b) one of the reasons for instituting the WCG (and building the ACCs right away) was a steady drop in air quality (but the Zones being the main source of the pollution would have remained a well-kept secret at the time -- and all the way to 2032, actually); c) the Network somehow turned into The Syndicate very quickly. Maybe I'll grow more comfortable with such a tight timeline after I/we sketch a few events from the early WCG years (ACC construction schedules, WCG's regulations and innovations, TCTF operations, radical Network/Syndicate countermeasures...) -- if it starts to look crowded, then maybe we should give it more time. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 18:42, 7 June 2020 (CEST)
 ::It doesn't look tight to me at all with the timing I suggested above. BioCrisis looms in 2000, ACCs go into production, nations go even further into debt than they were already, and WCG takes over in 2012, leading to Freedom Riots (I'm sure these were intended by Hardy to be in response to the WCG's power grab). There's no need to assume the Network quickly turned into the Syndicate after 2012. Just because Kerr refers to it as such in 2032 doesn't mean they were called that at the time that he and Hasegawa went to them. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 02:59, 8 June 2020 (CEST)
+:::Good point about Kerr calling it "Syndicate" just because that's what the WCG's been calling it for the past 20 years. I don't much like the idea of ACCs going into production before the WCG grab, because they're like the face of WCG to me: massive, standardized, and part of a global system. Perhaps I'd rather say that, by 2012, the emanations from the Wilderness had become a major concern in the cities (but the actual location of the source was subject to debate/censorship). One of the "selling points" of the Uprising was that the new leaders would actually "do something" about the air going bad (by building the ACCs in a matter of months -- putting an end to the riots when the air quality in the cities ''did'' start to improve). The long-term problem (which the activists tried to draw attention to, but failed) was that the WCG weren't actually doing anything about the ''source'' of the pollution (in the Preserves), thus only delaying a complete environmental breakdown. In this view, the BioCrisis predated the Uprising, but the ACCs were built ''after'' it, systematically but hastily (to present the WCG's institution as timely and vital, and to silence the riots). I still like the idea of the ACCs doubling as power plants, so perhaps the ACCs were simply built on top of existing power plants (the WCG only added the towering air-cleaning tiers, and/or enhanced the generators, but left some of the architecture untouched -- that would explain why ACC levels look a bit Frankensteinian at places). --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 01:17, 9 June 2020 (CEST)
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