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:Well, IMO they're bitsets. I fixed that a long time ago. [[User:Ssg|Ssg]] 10:59, 13 February 2007 (CET) | :Well, IMO they're bitsets. I fixed that a long time ago. [[User:Ssg|Ssg]] 10:59, 13 February 2007 (CET) | ||
:You "fixed that" ''where''? I can't see it detailed on OS... [[User:Geyser|geyser]] 04:05, 6 March 2007 (CET) | :You "fixed that" ''where''? I can't see it detailed on OS... [[User:Geyser|geyser]] 04:05, 6 March 2007 (CET) | ||
:[http://www6.fh-eberswalde.de/user/dkriesch/onistuff/oni_txmp.htm Here?] [[User:Ssg|Ssg]] 12:19, 6 March 2007 (CET) | |||
==Color depth== | ==Color depth== |
Revision as of 11:19, 6 March 2007
- Complete and accurate knowledge on the TXMP format is badly needed.
- For one thing, incomplete/inaccurate knowledge may be a reason why repacking (with OUP) fails.
- Also, import and export lack a few features (alpha, env maps) and may get colors slightly wrong.
- Basically, the incomplete/inaccurate information is related to the three bytes below, and to the associated RAW/SEP formats.
- One not-too-comfortable aspect is that apparently contradictory settings for the 3 bytes are somehow interpreted by Oni.
- geyser 21:09, 3 February 2007 (CET)
Option | Value | Meaning |
MIP-mapping types | 00 | off |
01 | on | |
11 | unknown | |
1C | unknown (used for skyboxes, works with 00 too) | |
Color depths | 10 | 16 bit |
12 | 16 bit + shade vertex | |
14 | 16 bit + 4 bits for the alpha channel | |
20 | 32 bit | |
Store types | 00 | uncompressed, with alpha blending |
01 | uncompressed, without alpha blending | |
02 | unknown | |
03 | unknown | |
08 | 32 bit uncompressed (used for skyboxes) | |
09 | compressed | |
0A | unknown | |
0B | unknown |
Bitsets or indices
- Store type (0x90)
- probably an index
- MIP mapping (0x88)
- not sure
- maybe they are not only MIP mapping options
- (in that case almost certainly a set of flags)
- Color depth (0x89)
- It's not just the color depth
- (actually, quite little to do with color depth)
- so almost certainly a bitset.
MIP mapping (0x88)
Bitset
- 0x01
- This one "just" turns mip mapping on and off.
- For uncompressed pictures, resampling is trivial. ==> They are "pre-resampled". It's not done at runtime.
- what about compressed ones.
- 0x02
- unknown
- 0x04
- Disable wrapping for the U coordinate of the texture.
- Enabled for skyboxes, animations and pretty much anything else that does not need texture wrapping.
- 0x08
- Disable wrapping for the V coordinate of the texture. See above.
- 0x10
- This one is enabled for env-mapped textures and env maps themselves.
- Also enabled for skyboxes?
- 0x20
- used a runtime (marks if a texture name has been allocate for this TXMP or not)
- 0x40
- unknown - animation related
- 0x80
- unknown - animation related, only used by an "electric arc" texture, could mean to play frames of the animation in random order
- Anything else?
- There aren't so many values: 0, 1, 17, 28. It's hard to decide against an ID.
- A bitset does make some sense because both 1 and 17 use MIP mapping...
- Well, IMO they're bitsets. I fixed that a long time ago. Ssg 10:59, 13 February 2007 (CET)
- You "fixed that" where? I can't see it detailed on OS... geyser 04:05, 6 March 2007 (CET)
- Here? Ssg 12:19, 6 March 2007 (CET)
Color depth
- Actually, the colors are parsed according to the store type.
- This one only sets the depth for miscellaneous extras (alpha, env map, etc)
- 0x01
- Used when again?
- 0x02
- Reads the high byte as env map (0x00 is "little", 0xFF is "much")
- Sometimes used in conjunction with 5x5x5 textures, i.e. if it really
- reads the whole byte, the 3 lower bits will be garbage. Not sure...
- 0x04
- Reads the high byte as alpha (0x00 is transparent, 0xFF is opaque)
- 0x08
- Used when again?
- 0x10
- On if there are 16 bits per uncompressed pixel (color depth etc may vary) ==> no changes ==> Oni reads it directly from the raw file
- It appears to me that this bit means that the byte order of texture raw data must be swaped, it does not have anything to do with the number of bits which is encoded in the texture format anyway. Neo
- 0x20
- On if there are 32 bits per uncompressed pixel (color depth etc may vary) (or may they?)
- IIRC, that bit is never used in Oni. If you use it, Oni chrashes.
- This one appears to be used only at runtime to mark if the texture has been loaded or not (loading basically means to convert the offset to texture data in the raw file to a memory address, that's why Oni crashes if you set this bit, it thinks that the texture is already loaded and it uses the file offset as a memory pointer which is not valid) Neo
- 0x40
- Looks like TXAN looping ON/OFF. Somebody please check somehow ^^
- 0x80
- 16 bit blue (?) - only SHIELD use it
The first two bits of the next bitset are used too:
- 0x01
- 16 bit alpha (?) - only INVIS use it
- 0x02
- 16 bit red (?) - only DAODAN_SHIELD use it Ssg 11:06, 13 February 2007 (CET)
Store type
Data per pixel, uncompressed unless mentioned otherwise
- 0
- (4,4,4) RGB, 4 bits extra (interpreted as alpha or env map blending), equivalent to GL_RGBA4 OpenGL image format
- 1
- (5,5,5) RGB and 1 bit extra, the extra bit is simply ignored, equivalent to GL_RGB5 OpenGL image format
- 2
- (5,5,5) RGB, 1 bit extra (interpreted as alpha or env map blending), equivalent to GL_RGB5_A1 OpenGL image format
- 8
- (8,8,8) RGB, 8 bits extra that are ignored, equivalent to GL_RGB OpenGL image format
- 9
- compressed (four times) (algorithm detailed elsewhere), equivalent to GL_COMPRESSED_RGB_S3TC_DXT1_EXT OpenGL compressed image format
- Anything else?
No. Uups... I mean, yes.- The "mac exe" contains the following stuff in the image section (image.c or somthing like that):
- rgb555, rgb565, rgba5551, argb1555, argb4444, rgba4444, rgba8888, s3, compressed, i8, i1, i4a4
- (r=red, g=green, b=blue, a=alpha, i=intensity; see http://www.cg.tuwien.ac.at/~wimmer/view3dx/TEXUS.html too)
Reloaded
Woohoo, nice clean list for accurate knowledge! Over here!!!
0x88
Bitset (rather large: 18 bits at least)
- 0x01000000
- MIP mapping enabled (generations stored in RAW/SEP, used at runtime)
- Q: Anything special about MIP mapping of DXT1-compressed pixels?
- 0x02000000
- Q: (sorry) ever used? effect? ^^ geyser
- 0x04000000
- U wrapping disabled
- 0x08000000
- V wrapping disabled
- 0x10000000
- Enabled for env-mapped textures and env maps themselves.
- Q: Also enabled for skyboxes? Exact effect? geyser
- 0x20000000
- used a runtime (marks if a texture name has been allocated for this TXMP or not) Neo
- Q: same question as below for 0x00200000: does the whole bitset get copied "elsewhere" at runtime? geyser
- 0x40000000
- unknown - animation related Neo
- Q: (sorry) exact effect? ^^ geyser
- 0x80000000
- unknown - animation related, only used by an "electric arc" texture, could mean to play frames of the animation in random order Neo
- 0x00010000
- Q: Ever used? Effect? ^^ geyser
- 0x00020000
- Reads the high byte as env map (0x00 is "little", 0xFF is "much")
- Q: Sometimes used in conjunction with store type 1 or 2. 5x5x5 color, 1 bit extra, i.e., if it really reads the whole high byte, the 3 lower bits are garbage then?
- 0x00040000
- Reads the high byte as alpha (0x00 is transparent, 0xFF is opaque)
- Q: Same as above: what if the store type is 1 or 2?
- 0x00080000
- Q: Ever used? Effect? ^^ geyser
- 0x00100000
- On if there are 16 bits per uncompressed pixel (color depth etc may vary) ==> no changes ==> Oni reads it directly from the raw file Ssg 11:06, 13 February 2007 (CET)
- It appears to me that this bit means that the byte order of texture raw data must be swapped, it does not have anything to do with the number of bits which is encoded in the texture format anyway. Neo
- Q: Whom is the swapped data relevant to, then? "Texture format" = "store type"? "Number of bits" = RGB color depth = "store type"? geyser
- 0x00200000
- IIRC, that bit is never used in Oni. If you use it, Oni chrashes. Ssg 11:06, 13 February 2007 (CET)
- This one appears to be used only at runtime to mark if the texture has been loaded or not (loading basically means to convert the offset to texture data in the raw file to a memory address, that's why Oni crashes if you set this bit, it thinks that the texture is already loaded and it uses the file offset as a memory pointer which is not valid) Neo
- Q: Neo, are you saying Oni writes to the memory-mapped DAT-part of every loaded TXMP? Or is that particular bitset copied "elsewhere"? geyser
- 0x00400000
- Looks like TXAN looping ON/OFF. Somebody please check somehow ^^ geyser
- Q: (sorry) did anybody "please check somehow"? ^^ geyser
- 0x00800000
- 16 bit blue (?) - only SHIELD uses it Ssg 11:06, 13 February 2007 (CET)
- Q: ??? geyser
- 0x00001000
- 16 bit alpha (?) - only INVIS uses it Ssg 11:06, 13 February 2007 (CET)
- Q: ??? geyser
- 0x00002000
- 16 bit red (?) - only DAODAN_SHIELD uses it Ssg 11:06, 13 February 2007 (CET)
- Q: ??? geyser
0x90
Integer ID. Defines the RGB color depth of texels (is that correct? geyser)
- 0
- (4,4,4) RGB, 4 bits extra (interpreted as alpha or env map blending)
- equivalent to GL_RGBA4 OpenGL image format Neo
- Q: Does the interpretation of the high bits depend on the 0x88 settings? geyser
- 1
- (5,5,5) RGB and 1 bit extra
- the extra bit is simply ignored, equivalent to GL_RGB5 OpenGL image format Neo
- Q: Is the extra bit always ignored, regardless of the 0x88 settings? geyser
- 2
- (5,5,5) RGB, 1 bit extra (interpreted as alpha or env map blending)
- equivalent to GL_RGB5_A1 OpenGL image format Neo
- Q: Does the interpretation of the high bits depend on the 0x88 settings? geyser
- 8
- (8,8,8) RGB, 8 bits extra
- extra bits are ignored, equivalent to GL_RGB OpenGL image format Neo
- Q: (sorry) are the extra bit always ignored, regardless of the 0x88 settings? geyser
- 9
- compressed (four times) (algorithm detailed elsewhere)
- equivalent to GL_COMPRESSED_RGB_S3TC_DXT1_EXT OpenGL compressed image format Neo
- (note: ARB stands for Architecture Review Board, not Alpha Red Blue ^^ geyser)
- equivalent to GL_COMPRESSED_RGB_S3TC_DXT1_EXT OpenGL compressed image format Neo
- Q: Aha, "dxt1". Any more ideas looking at THESE? geyser
- Anything else?
- Q: (sorry) nothing else, ever ever? ^^ geyser