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 :One important difference between the TNZ perspective (so far) and SoW's is that in SoW the BioCrisis predates the Uprising, i.e., the Contaminated Zones (whatever they are) became a major concern before the Uprising (prompting it, even?), rather than a couple of years after. Indeed it's a bit tight to have the Uprising happen in 2012 (with the general public oblivious to the "air gone bad") and then in 2014 there are already ACCs everywhere, and the world outside them is poisonous (but the pollution is still "made easy to ignore" somehow? WTF). --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 18:42, 7 June 2020 (CEST)
 ::It wasn't my intention to "speculate" that the BioCrisis began before the WCG takeover; rather, it's always how I've read Oni's story. Leaving aside my own retcon that the pollution is alien in origin, we know that Hardy intended it to simply be genuine, homemade industrial pollution. So I assumed that it had been building up since, well, the start of the Industrial Age. Looked at it that way, the only question of timing is when it finally became too serious to ignore. Clearly that was well before Oni takes place, as time was needed to build the ACCs and establish the Preserves by the time Hasegawa and Jamie had their ill-fated expedition. If one simply picks a year like 2000 as the starting point for ACC construction, they could be well in place by 2014. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 02:59, 8 June 2020 (CEST)
+:::Saying things like "it's how I've always read Oni's story" is a good lead-up to a "let's agree to disagree" later on. ^_^ I'd say something about Oni having a life of its own after Hardy set it free, but that'd be too liberal of me, perhaps. My problem with industrial pollution is that it doesn't just build up in the middle of nowhere -- there needs to be a coal mine there, or an oil field, or ''some'' human activity that messes with nature in some way or other, and it also really helps if there's a large (and poorly managed) city nearby. Unless it's an actual landfill (or worse) that's intentionally built in the middle of nowhere so that no one will notice or care (there's plenty of that stuff in Russia). In Oni, there may be regular, man-made, accounted-for pollution in cities or "monotowns" (near mines, oil fields, etc), which may have been bad enough to prompt the construction of ACCs, but there's also the much more improbable pollution that apparently "spawned" in the Preserves and has been staying out of public view pretty much all the way into 2032. In fact, those middle-of-nowhere pollution sources -- whatever they are -- seem to be so far off the beaten track that they aren't easily identified as such unless/until you go in for a deep exploration. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 00:25, 9 June 2020 (CEST)
+:::In SoW you say (correct me if I'm wrong) that the Preserves were stained/permeated (impregnated?) by time-aliens in a deliberate attempt to xenoform the Earth so that they can roam it again. Somehow the bastards were cunning enough to start the contamination in uninhabited areas, far enough from all the cities, so that the "soft invasion" would go unnoticed until it covered areas that were too large to neutralize completely. In the end the WCG had no choice but to build fences around the invaded areas, and the only way for humanity to "fight back" was to crank up the ACCs and pray that no one would have the brilliant idea of blowing them all up at once. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 00:25, 9 June 2020 (CEST)
+:::My speculation, or rather my latest take on this, is that there may have been ordinary landfills and such in some of the Zones early on, but most of the pollution appeared (unnoticed at first?) after some Phase experiments (in the early years where Phase tech was poorly regulated and rather hazardous). Either secret labs (testing grounds) deep in the "jungle", or teleportations gone wrong, as described previously. That's close enough to SoW, actually, since (correct me if I'm wrong) the xenoforming invasion would have needed a transdimensional portal of some sort to have appeared in each of the Preserves at some point. My "guess" about how the teleported sample (waste bin or neo-Laika or otherwise) may have been "alienated" during the teleport, resulting in "unearthly" contamination wherever the "boomerang" hit -- that's also close to SoW, wouldn't you say? --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 00:25, 9 June 2020 (CEST)
 :Having the WCG instituted in 2012 also feels a bit weird, with Jamie dying in 2014 and Chrysalises already grown in 2016 -- it just doesn't leave much time for the TCTF's regulations to have kicked in, or for the Network to have already evolved into "The Syndicate" by the time Hasegawa and Kerr start working there. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 18:42, 7 June 2020 (CEST)
 ::The only awkwardly-tight timing is the development of the Daodan Chrysalis, which itself is not hard to explain if one assumes that (a) Hasegawa and Kerr had relevant prior experience, (b) the technology of the time was close enough to what they needed that they didn't have to advance all of science by a human lifespan in 3 years, and (c) they ''found'' the Daodan, rather than creating it. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 02:59, 8 June 2020 (CEST)