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::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 19:09, 7 February 2007 (CET) | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 19:09, 7 February 2007 (CET) | ||
:Hm, I didn’t | :Hm, I didn’t concentrate on “now�?, “but�? and “problem�? so far. Let me speculate a bit (... adding value for a fictional text ^^ ) In aspect of translation: “now�? is just an additional signal word for present time, in exist also in German but isn’t that much used. It missing shouldn’t be a “problem�? like ''Konoko’s passive''. (Well, how you said: it’s free translation, so let us just forget it.) | ||
:Key word “problem�?... I think it refer to catastrophe’s cause. Dead people = problem; toxic air = cause. After that everyone will ask the cause’s cause... toxic air <= ''exploded'' AACs <= Syndicate’s and Konoko’s actions <= and in the end (if the mad mob wants to know – hey, right now this made it impossible...) they ask about WCG non-doing of preventing more toxins. Here goes some manual sentence: | :Key word “problem�?... I think it refer to catastrophe’s cause. Dead people = problem; toxic air = cause. After that everyone will ask the cause’s cause... toxic air <= ''exploded'' AACs <= Syndicate’s and Konoko’s actions <= and in the end (if the mad mob wants to know – hey, right now this made it impossible...) they ask about WCG non-doing of preventing more toxins. Here goes some manual sentence: | ||
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:Anarchy as well (with or without Muro) -- it’s not even propaganda, it’s the truth: | :Anarchy as well (with or without Muro) -- it’s not even propaganda, it’s the truth: | ||
:# | :# WCG is blamed for “let air becoming toxic�?. | ||
:# Syndicate is blamed for “made increasing this shit�?. | :# Syndicate is blamed for “made increasing this shit�?. | ||
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:I hope you I was able to filled your curiosity.^^ | :I hope you I was able to filled your curiosity.^^ | ||
::[[User:Paradox-01|paradox]] 22:30, 8 February 2007 (CET) | ::[[User:Paradox-01|paradox]] 22:30, 8 February 2007 (CET) | ||
:My own (rather ancient) inquisition can be found [http://oni.bungie.org/forums/index.php?threadid=9&page=6#post_254 HERE] (end of post). | |||
:You didn't address the "but". As for the "problem", the "cause of the cause of the cause" is a bit far-fetched, but indeed nothing else seems to make sense. Or rather... | |||
:My current impression is that the WCG is ''completely ignored'' by Mai in her final statement. | |||
:Her final words are about Hasegawa's "dream" coming true: the Chrysalis becoming the only way to save the world from "the nightmare that killed [Jamie]". | |||
:The "problem" seems to be that "mankind as we knew it is doomed". Pollution taken as such, regardless the causes and responsibilities and possible "soft" solutions. "The world [...] is poisonous". | |||
:Whether the WCG could/can do something about it is not the point. Mai's and Hasegawa's (and Muro's) "point" is that ''fighting pollution is a no-way''. You ''have'' to "adapt to the new world", and that's what everybody's been "denying". (note that it's ''their'' POV, not mine) | |||
:The "but" then also makes sense. Sure, pollution is killing millions/billions worldwide, ''but'' at least it's clear that we're ''all'' doomed ''unless''... | |||
:In this catastrophic situation, the Chrysalis gets a chance to actually ''prove'' its worth: "the salvation of the afflicted". "After all" because without the catastrophe it didn't stand a chance (regulation, scientific approach, unbiased ethics, etc). | |||
:So, now that the closing tirade is clear, the question is: in how far is it realistic? How much of Mai's wishful thinking will actually come true? | |||
:I'll be moving these considerations somewhere (maybe posting them on {{OCF}}), obviously. | |||
:Maybe onto stripey's "Human society after..." thread? How about posting your stuff first? | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 12:56, 9 February 2007 (CET) | |||
:As for the Mai=scapegoat thing, obviously if neither the WCG nor the beheaded Syndicate are interested in chaos, they will both blame everything on Mai/Muro/Hasegawa. | |||
:In very many ways, Hasegawa is a mad scientist, overreacting to his wife's death, and dedicating his life to a ''revolution'' of mankind and society. | |||
:Muro was acting in that direction, and at the end of Oni, Mai is no better: she really feels like preaching that "Mankind as we knew it is doomed. The Chrysalis will change us all". | |||
:It's really nice how this connects to Sturm & Drang (Loser was the first one who pointed it out). | |||
:Blaming everything on the Hasegawas is not only convenient; it's actually ''fair''. So there's no reason for the Syndicate or the WCG to blame anything on each other. Thus nothing stands in the way of fusion. | |||
:As for Mai, what would happen if ''she'' becomes ''the'' public enemy is, in short, ''a nightmare'' ^^ | |||
::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 12:56, 9 February 2007 (CET) | |||