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| **that includes adding stuff to DAT, static object IDs, the Fight of the Century, all that... ^^
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| :Hey Geyser | | No idea which part of the page to leave new messages in, but I guess this will do. You wrote [[Special:PermaLink/9550|HERE]], "All 3 guns have been modeled by 17secs and are available as low-poly OBJ." Do you know where they are? I've attempted to browse your FTP directories, but it's difficult with that placeholder image at the top of your subdomain blocking a top-level perusal of available directories. Thanks. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 22:08, 13 April 2019 (CEST) |
| :I sent you an email last week, perhaps you didn't get it.
| | :I don't think I ever uploaded those guns on my FTP, and I lost all my Oni files from the time when I wrote that comment. If no one else backed up the models, then there's no way but to remodel them (except the SPAS, for which there are plenty of models available already). [[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 17:54, 6 January 2020 (CET) |
| :I was wondering if you have time to take a look at the key binding issue with the OSX version of Oni where the RETURN and ENTER keys are disabled. | | ::Ah, oh well. We have similar enough models to these three, available as part of the "New Weapons Collection" mod. --[[User:Iritscen|Iritscen]] ([[User talk:Iritscen|talk]]) 18:01, 6 January 2020 (CET) |
| :I've tried looking for the lookup table, but with no success. | | :::Now that I think of it, 17secs may have sent me the models through email, in that case I might be able to recover them. He also may have shared them through OCF, in which case they might have been lost during the move. Looking through 17secs's emails could take a while. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 20:22, 6 January 2020 (CET) |
| :Hope you are well, | | ::::Actually, no, that was fast. No trace of attached model files in my emails. And if he gave me URLs, they're probably dead by now. --[[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 20:27, 6 January 2020 (CET) |
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| :^^ | | :22:52, 23 August 2018 (CEST) Started filling in tips and tricks about [[MakeHuman]] and [[Fuse]]. The current focus is on Fuse because it's user-friendlier. MakeHuman has potential, but it's on a bit of a standby. |
| :I've just turned twenty-f##king-six, and I'm in deep s##t. | | :18:40, 20 June 2018 (CEST) Making a [[User_talk:Geyser/IonEyes|new page]] for bookmarks related to the iOnEyEs project (will probably be creating Oni2:Ion_Eyes soon) |
| :Wiki maintenance is about the only hobby I'm allowing myself these days.
| | :16:18, 22 May 2018 (CEST) experimenting with a new template for rotated table headers |
| :Your mail got lost in a heap of spam :
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| ::I may discontine the email address @oni2.net altogether in the near future.
| | |- style="text-align:left; font-family:courier; vertical-align: bottom;" |
| :::There's still the other one I may have told you of. | | ! height=120px| |
| :I've checked out the last version of KP :
| | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px; font:courier">konokocore</div> |
| ::definitely a kick-ass proof of concept already, | | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;">├Shinzom</div> |
| :::but there's still much room for improvement. | | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;">├shinatama</div> |
| :Converters between FBX, SE3 and Oni are mostly planned out,
| | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;">├red</div> |
| ::I just need to find myself with a free week or something | | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;">└konokolev1</div> |
| :::to actively code and debug it (easy to wish for, hard to get) | | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;"> └konoko</div> |
| :Dunno what Ky4yM is up for with his Java-based model/anim exporter | | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;"> └gen_f</div> |
| ::(like, what formats he'll interface with, when and if...) | | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;">strikercore</div> |
| :I'll just try and document the way everything is stored | | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;">├striker</div> |
| ::(basically just writing up Pierre's extracting code | | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;">│└TCTFswat</div> |
| :::in a human-readable way (thanks Pierre, BTW! ))
| | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;">├elite</div> |
| :That would be my 2 cents for now, | | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;">│└barabus</div> |
| ::active Oni 2 development will have to wait. | | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;">├ninja</div> |
| :As for the key binding that OMNI screwed up and won't fix : | | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;">└comguy</div> |
| ::it's motivating to fix it up, but I can only succeed | | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;"> ├gen_m</div> |
| :::if the table looks very much like the one on PC. | | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;"> ├doctor</div> |
| ::(I may even have to read up on Mac hardware a bit...) | | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;"> ├security</div> |
| :If I come around to fix it, you'll be the first to know. | | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;"> ├griffin</div> |
| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 18:21, 24 November 2006 (CET)
| | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;"> ├thug</div> |
| :Macs suck anyway ^^ | | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;"> ├Tanker</div> |
| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 18:21, 24 November 2006 (CET)
| | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;"> └muro</div> |
| :Almost said that KP still needs its coverage here on the wiki, | | ! <div style="{{Transform-rotate|-90}}; width:12px;"> └mutantmuro</div> |
| :but perhaps you're not the right person to ask about that ^^ | | |- |
| :Take care | | |KONCOMgetup_fw_crouch |
| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 18:21, 24 November 2006 (CET)
| | |bgcolor=lime|<span style="font-size:50%">100</span> |
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| I can see you have your hands full, lots of projects and things to do.
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| I'm finding out more Mac Users are playing around with the Dev Mode and that's cool.
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| (For awhile, I thought I was the only one).
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| Regarding the keybinding issue, can you make a screenshot of the PC lookup table, perhaps that could give me a clue.
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| Something for me to try, until you have the time.
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| I know the "Mac version of Oni sucks" :-)
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| In the meantime, I've been having fun at the Oni Central Forums with the "Going places you are not supposed to" and "Trivia" threads.
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| Take care, don't let your age get you down. (This coming from a guy much older than you!)
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| :Gee, how "much older" can ''you'' be? ^^
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| :It's not my age that's getting me down,
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| ::but my lousy survival skills (sorta).
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| :I'm having big trouble concentrating
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| ::on my professional life, even when
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| :::drastically cutting down on hobbies.
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:41, 25 November 2006 (CET)
| | |KONCOMkick_heavy |
| :I haven't checked on OCF at all since
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| ::my last post (two months ago? more?)
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| :I'll be back as soon as I'm able. ^^
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| ::(more Dev Mode users is cool)
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| :::(more OTA players is cool, too) | | | |
| :I forwarded a Mac OTA fan to you this week...
| | |bgcolor=lime|<span style="font-size:50%">100</span> |
| ::(and I've written a new kick-ass core ^^ )
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:41, 25 November 2006 (CET)
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| :As for key mapping, I really haven't
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| ::looked at it that much for a few months.
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| :I may have to talk to SFeLi a bit,
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| ::he's not online much, and neither am I.
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| :I have no Internet at home for the time being
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| ::and real-time Oni hacking at the office is,
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| :::well, not much of an option...
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| :I'll see what I can do and let you know.
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:41, 25 November 2006 (CET)
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| How old am I? Have you seen my avatar? :-) Well maybe not that old...
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| Professional life... balancing it with hobbies can be hard.
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| The solution is to have a 30 hour day, then you'll have enough time for everything. :-)
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| When you need to have the new OTA core tested on the Mac, let me know.
| | |KONCOMpunch_heavy |
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| I got the email from the Mac OTA fan, he was trying to run the manplant script. I never got around to fixing it.
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| So I just pointed him to the scripts on my site and that's the last I heard from him.
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| On OCF, we're doing silly but fun things, I just started a thread to find hidden rooms in the various levels and post screenshots of them.
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| As you know some of those rooms where used for cutscenes, but othere are just there.
| | |bgcolor=lime|<span style="font-size:50%">100</span> |
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| So Oni never gets old, there's always something new to do.
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| What! you mean at work they won't let you play????
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| I really appreciate your willingness to help with the Mac key binding issue.
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| EdT
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| P.S. how do you get the date stamp on your entries?
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| :Hm, I sorta assumed you were one of the younger Oni fans ^^
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| ::Didn't expect anyone much older than myself, anyway.
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| :(I know of a few exceptions, like Pierre, but I think they're rather rare)
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| :I'm afraid I'll have to make an all different OTA core for you rebels, ^^
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| ::because my kick-ass functionality uses '''chr_focus''' a lot.
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| :(basically, you focus to a remote "meta-character" every time you call up the menu)
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| :Another limitation is that on PC we can watch '''show_performance''' and on Mac, we can't.
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| ::(calling up the menu with that built-in hotkey feels really good)
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| :The '''show_performance'''-toggled menu is aimed at those who won't use the DevMode. | | | |
| ::For those who will... we'll have to decide on what dev-mode variable we'll watch.
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| :We should have a look at the few variables that are registered on the Mac (e.g., [[OSL:Preset#Variables|HERE]])
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| ::and see which ones we can toggle with a dev-mode hotkey (hopefully '''ai2_showlocalmelee''').
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| ::(you have to be careful about how you check on the state of a preset variable, though)
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| ::(on PC, at least, I got quite a headache before I got '''show_performance''' to work)
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| :BTW, the functions are still underdocumented: [[Sandbox|HERE]] ^^
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| :Oni never gets old: that's good to hear
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| ::(even if I don't think any of the hidden rooms would be much news to me ^^ )
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| :As for the messed-up ENTER key, I'll really have to figure out ''just what to look for'', first.
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 14:59, 27 November 2006 (CET)
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| I guess I'm still young at heart!
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| Oh well, I guess I can't enjoy the new OTA core until I get a new computer, probably sometime early next year.
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| Its kinda hard to test the functions since I can't use the console! :-)
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| Loser posted his melee patch on OCF, right now its for the striker_easy, but he intends to do more.
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| What's nice is that the patch works fine on the Mac.
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| [[User:EdT|EdT]] 04:56, 30 November 2006 (CET)
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| :OMG, people are so spoiled... Did I have the console to help me do Oni Menu? ^^
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| :RETURN doesn't work, but other dev mode hotkeys do, and that's all you need...
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| :In order to actually know if they're detectable, you still have to actually script
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| ::load-time logic by hand : variable-watching forks, for one thing.
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| :So the console doesn't really enter into it.
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| :Unfortunately, I've done a bit of testing, and it looks like Ctrl+B
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| ::doesn't correspond to any script variable (I hoped for '''ai2_showlocalmelee''')
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| :That leaves cheatcode watching as the only alternative to direct hotkeys
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| ::(and autocompletion-powered console entries if we can fix RETURN)
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| :Everyone should play Oni on PC, anyway.
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 17:55, 30 November 2006 (CET)
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| :Like, I sat down and wrote a Rail Gun mode last night, that will only work on PC.
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| ::(crouching with a rifle makes you zoom in till you see the other end of the map)
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| :It really rocks, but right now the plasma rifle is a lot more enjoyable than the MB
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| ::(I should add a long-range laser sight to the MB, and that means patched ONWC...)
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| :It rocks so much it ''really'' makes me want to make a few squad missions.
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| ::(every member of the squad has special weapons and faculties : X-ray vision, sniper sight, reflex time, etc)
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| :You can have none of that on Mac, because '''chr_focus''' is not registered.
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| ::(the Rail Gun mode relies on camera parameters ('''cm_...''') and '''gs_fov_set''')
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 17:55, 30 November 2006 (CET)
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| :Loser's patch is good news (of course it works fine...).
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| :There really oughta be a lot more of those BINA patches.
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| :Alloc and I may craft a complete patch engine some time soon.
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 17:55, 30 November 2006 (CET)
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| :Rail Gun mode sounds cool!
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| :Hopefully early next year, I'll get an Intel Mac with XP, then I'll be able to enjoy Oni fully.
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| :In the meantime, there's enough to do to keep me busy.
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| :So keep coming up with new ways to play Oni!!!
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| ::[[User:EdT|EdT]] 00:05, 1 December 2006 (CET)
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| | : 13:50, 22 May 2018 (CEST) need to clean up old stuff, or at least make sure it's not misinterpreted as current stuff |
| | : 13:50, 22 May 2018 (CEST) backing up [[User talk:Geyser/DoxProjectImagoTalkBackup|a talk page about modding from 'Dox's personal space]] |
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| | And, we're back! More stuff here and elsewhere Soon(TM), mostly from me and GTO. |
| | :Mostly? Will there be few works by others (a third/fourth person) too? - 'dox |
| | ::Not sure about "works", but our "thing" is a work-in-progress, and it will be open to anybody's contributions. If I have enough time for 3D modeling, we may see something from Ltemplar, if he hasn't given up on me or Oni. That guy has some serious skills. [[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 18:00, 17 October 2014 (CEST) |
| | :Haven't seen Ltemplar in a while on OCF. My impression is that he is frustated about the engine's limitations which in turn eats his motivation. I guess we all have a taste of that. But you are the one in contact with him so I probably miss some pieces of that picture. - 'dox |
| | ::We'll see about Ltemplar (maybe I'm the one who disappointed him the most, by failing to keep up with him, and I have yet to get back in touch). As for the graphical/storytelling thing, I'm calling it a "thing" because that's what it is. Basically we're trying our hand at a sequel, but the key word here is "trying", and it's quite rudimentary so far. Calling it anything special at this point, even giving it a working title, would be bad luck ^_^ which doesn't mean we're not enthusiastic and a little bit proud [[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 22:36, 17 October 2014 (CEST) |
| | :Oh, you're still alive :) You were even more retired than me for a while there. [[User:Gumby|Gumby]] ([[User talk:Gumby|talk]]) 00:44, 18 October 2014 (CEST) |
| | Got back in contact with Ltemplar. He's willing and available (as much as anybody, i.e., with his own RL stuff to take care of). The direction and focus will need to be managed very carefully this time around, but apart from that we're good to go. Will probably upload some art/sketches next. [[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 19:31, 23 October 2014 (CEST) |
| | :Just to be clear. Is Ltemplar participating your/GTOs thing. Or are you talking about two different things? --[[User:Paradox-01|paradox-01]] ([[User talk:Paradox-01|talk]]) 10:29, 26 October 2014 (CET) |
| | ::They're two different thingies. GTO and I are exploring the idea of a sequel (with detailed character design, some scenes, etc - essentially like what Guido and Seventeen Seconds did); the collaboration with Ltemplar is focused on more or less immediate Oni modification (extra levels, BGi faction, etc). In both cases we'll try and deliver on a (very) small scale first. [[User:Geyser|geyser]] ([[User talk:Geyser|talk]]) 11:13, 5 November 2014 (CET) |
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| :I was looking for the flag location information at: | | :Clean slate again. If you need to look something up, just use the history. |
| ::http://geyser.oni2.net/OniTeamArena/flags/QuickList/ | | :An exception has been made for the latest discussion. I've put it [[User:Geyser/STFUn00b|HERE]]. |
| :but I get a "not found" error message
| | :Because I can, and because it really holds a special place in my heart. |
| :Can you give me the correct URL?
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| ::[[User:EdT|EdT]] 02:06, 13 December 2006 (CET)
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| :Late followup to the previous conversation:
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| :*On an Intel Mac, Oni should run fine with [http://www.winehq.com/ wine].
| | |Until further notice, this is no longer a "talk" page. But you can still leave messages. |
| ::No XP needed, hopefully. Please try and report.
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| :*Rail Gun Mode ''truly'' rocks now. Whoo-ee.
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| ::All scripted, no [[OBD:ONWC|ONWC]] modding required.
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| ::No Mac version though: that's a no-go...
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| :*I've had a look at the place in the English EXE where the SHIFT key was mistakenly mapped to '''mousebutton3'''.
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| ::and I'll be damned if I can see an array-like structure.
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| ::Actually, they are a bunch of ASM instructions here, another there...
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| ::SFeLi and his trusty disassembler were able to make some sense out of all that, but I'm helpless.
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| ::Things look even more bleak on Mac since we can't check conjectures.
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| ::Your only hope is a guy who can un-ASM the OSX port (SFeLi tried, but gave up because of the different format)
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| ::I'll try to catch SFeLi in ICQ, and ask him to "at least" try and find where RETURN is (not) mapped.
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| :So, not much good news, eh? Don't cry. Have some '''wine''' instead ^^
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 15:23, 13 December 2006 (CET)
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| :As for the flag lists, it's been a while since I moved them here:
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| ::http://geyser.oni2.net/OBD/BINA/OBJC/FLAG/
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| :The new URL was posted in the BIP thread. Everything's there.
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 15:23, 13 December 2006 (CET)
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| :I went through the recent threads of {{OCF}} yesterday.
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| :Haven't checked Loser's melee patch yet. Same for his Crazy Rooftops script.
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| :Nevertheless, here's a similar challenge for the whole family:
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| ::''get to Mukade in 2 minutes (cutscenes not included)''
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| :Something I call '''Storming the Rooftops''': good [[parkour]] fun.
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| :Once you've done that, you're left with the problem of beating [[Mukade]].
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| :With no hypo, no shield, no weapon, and what health you still have.
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 15:23, 13 December 2006 (CET)
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| :And a bit of trivia (actually, a question to Mac users):
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| ::Do the Mac resources have the glitch mentioned [[Quotes/Diary#{{C6}}|HERE]]?
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| :Or is it specific to the PC version (perhaps only the English one?)?
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 15:23, 13 December 2006 (CET)
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| :Tosh's highlighter doesn't work at all with Opera (9.01 here).
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| :I might log in some time soon and post these few things myself.
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| :But I'm not too sure of that.
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 15:23, 13 December 2006 (CET)
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| :Thanks for the flag URL. I missed the update :-)
| | As in "Dr. Crane isn't here right now, but if you would like to make an appointment..." |
| :Once I get an IntelMac, hopefully early next year, I'll be able to play the PC version.
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| :I plan on getting XP loaded through Bootcamp, so I can use it without any emulation.
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| :I appreciate your effort to solve the keybinding issue, I guess the only hope is that either Take2 or Feral will decide to update Oni for the Intel Mac and fix the bugs.
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| :The Mac does not have the quote glitch that you mentioned. (Hey finally something the Mac got right!!!)
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| :When you have a chance, can you post a movie of the Rail Gun mode?
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| [[User:EdT|EdT]] 04:33, 14 December 2006 (CET)
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| :The advantage of emulated environments is that you don't need to buy/borrow/steal Windows at all. | | {|border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=5 |
| :Alloc plays Oni under Linux, with wine, and it works OK. So does OUP. | | |[[Image:GTO_-_Wake_Up_Call_-_Page_1.jpg|250px]] |
| :As Feral said, Take 2 are the exclusive owners of the Oni franchise (Rockstar and Feral are just borrowing it ^^).
| | |[[Image:GTO_-_Wake_Up_Call_-_Page_2.jpg|250px]] |
| ::Therefore, it's up to Take2 to decide (financially) whether, e.g., Oni's source should be distributed or not. | | |- |
| :::However, what we've seen of Take 2 so far doesn't leave much hope in that matter. | | |[[Image:GTO_-_Wake_Up_Call_-_Page_3.jpg|250px]] |
| ::I'm sure they have their reasons (actually, rather a lack thereof).
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| :The release of patches is a different story. It depends on what exactly the patch is supposed to "fix".
| | ===Reply to "Recent changes" comments=== |
| ::The network and dev mode were left out ''intentionally'', so one shouldn't expect an official patch for those. | | Thanks for deleting the spam. Could I suggest https://www.google.com/recaptcha/about/ for human verification, it looks quite good and I think it has a mediawiki module. As for multiplayer, my computer was out of action in the past week and I had exams and schoolwork in the weeks before, so not much progress has been made. I do have the framework for a multithreaded server though and I heard Sfeli was doing something C-Daodan related but he hasn't been online for a while. |
| :Actual bugs such as [[Troubleshooting/Blam|Blam]] we somehow think "ought to be fixed". | | :[[User:RossyMiles|rossy]] 09:20, 27 November 2008 (CET) |
| ::We know, however, that Ian suggested to de-Blam Oni ''way'' back in 2000 (not sure about the year). | |
| :::And got no reply.
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| :As for erroneous key mapping, mousebutton3 mismapped to SHIFT, or a non-mapped mouse wheel are one thing.
| | Sorry, not sure where to put this question. Regarding the Hex Hound, how would you animate it within Oni? EdT |
| ::Getting those right allows one to customise one's controls and to enhance one's "normal" Oni experience.
| |
| :The ENTER key screwed up by OMNI is a completely different thing.
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| ::No one will bind ENTER to a normal-gameplay event. It will only serve for the Developer Mode.
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| :::And that's where it might hurt...
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| :Politically, I fear that releasing a patch at this stage would mean to acknowledge the die-hard community, | | :*It should be relative easy for you guys to split him to 19 bones. |
| ::''along with what that community has been doing'' (hacking, reverse-engineering, resource extracting...).
| | :*A field of little practical experience is the TRIA stuff. However, from an [[TRIA#Investigation|experiment]] we know that TRIA has really an effect on how TRAM files are played. All TRBS have their own TRIA instance and with Onisplit v0.9.41.0 you can still access it as plain text. Looks like there is a fair chance for a playable hex hound. =) |
| :That sounds like a pretty good reason for the bureaucrats involved not to do ''anything''. Just to be on the safe side.
| | ::[[User:Paradox-01|Paradox-01]] 13:52, 14 May 2011 (UTC) |
| ::I think those considerations ought to be kept in mind when contacting Take2 or whoever: we're licence violators. | |
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| :I might release the script for the Rail Gun Mode some time soon. And a little video just for you Mac-haxxors ^^. | | :The Hound is one of those things that I'd definitely ''not'' implement into Oni's engine, the main reason being stairs. Congratulations to Dox on the proof-of-concept though. |
| ::You can view WMVs, can't you? | | :However, I guess it would be OK if the Hounds, like the Iron Demon, were only encountered in stair-less environments, with curbs or nearly horizontal ramps if anything. |
| :As for '''Storming the Rooftops''', make it 1:50 to Mukade with the original scripts, bar the cutscenes.
| | :I am not up-to-date on OniSplit's handling of animation. Seeing as Totoro was intended for bipeds, all workarounds would be somewhat hackish. I'd say do the Demon first. |
| :(I played Loser's script, and Mukade is ''way'' slow, especially on SP1, where you can outrun him by miles) | | ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:41, 22 May 2011 (UTC) |
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|
| :Here's something worth a thread on {{OCF}} (and maybe another video by you, hmm?)
| | [[Category:Userspace]] |
| ::[http://forums.bungie.org/story/?noframes;read=49733 ONI IN SE7EN MINUTES]
| |
| :There's Marathon [http://home.comcast.net/~chrismb/marathon1.html 1] & [http://home.comcast.net/~chrismb/marathon2.html 2] in the same thread, as well as [http://forums.bungie.org/story/?noframes;read=49569 Halo], all of them quite enjoyable.
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| :Another idea: a contest of "cat & mouse" pics ^^
| |
| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 16:46, 14 December 2006 (CET)
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| ==Stamina Rose==
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| :As for the Rooftops chase, I hereby initiate a team project... ^^
| |
| :The idea is to create a music video highlighting {{C10}}
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| :One that captures the "hot pursuit" feel of Loser's script.
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| ::(the fight with Mukade and the outro are best left out)
| |
| :The soundtrack would be Yoko Kanno's '''Stamina Rose''' (from the GITS:SAC OST).
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| :The video can be recorded in several sessions, but it should feature "seamless" action from SP0 to SP4.
| |
| :#.MISSION COMPLETE splashscreen with Mukade holding the disc (no sound)
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| :#"Loading" progress bar (no sound)
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| :#SP0 cutscene (first strains)
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| :#SP1 (beat starts, 0:07.5) speed run to the elevator
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| :#SP2... (power beat kicks in, 0:45) dramatic speed run to zip line
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| :#SP3... (music settles down a bit) short run to elevator (final loop) Mukade circles Konoko
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| :#SP4 (beat stops, 2:44) Mukade teleports away, fade out
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| :The timing is really tight, especially for SP1
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| :*we could slow the track down a bit
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| :*or speed up the cutscenes
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| :*or hack Konoko so that she can run faster
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| :*or just resample the video so that it's not ''really'' real-time
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| :I'll give it a "trial run" tonight, maybe (SP1 in under 40 secs sounds really hard) ^^
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| :I'd have to register FRAPS in order to record over 30 seconds, though...
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| :Question for you, EdT. What would YouTube do with a movie in letterbox format? resize it to 4:3?
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 20:16, 14 December 2006 (CET)
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| :Geyser: Lots of things to talk about.
| |
| :For "Storming the Rooftops", how about using ssg's nocutscene script and adding a 2:00 minute countdown timer?
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| :Of course, if I use the jetpack mode, I should have no problem finishing it under that time limit! :-)
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| :Stamina Rose video, sounds like a cool idea.
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| :Youtube wants the video in 320x240 format.
| |
| | |
| :Regarding Feral, :I asked about the possibility of making a special edition of Oni with the missing levels and multiplayer feature. And making it compatible with the Intel Macs and fixing the known issues, such as the RETURN key. Here is part of their reply to me
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| :''if the opportunity arises that we can make an Intel patch we would, however if we added in all of those features I think it would be a pay for patch although the cost would be a lot lower than for a traditional full game. Don't hold your breath waiting for a patch but as I said if we can get all the potential issues out the way and it makes sense to do so we will make a patch.''
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| :There is no free version of Wine for the Mac, only a commerical version called Crossover. Anyways, since I need some Windows programs for work, it makes sense for me to get XP.
| |
| | |
| : The 1 minute Oni was funny, I'll post the link on OCF.
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| | |
| :Did you mean another video like Oni Universe except make the cutscenes shorter? If so, I am working on another version, it has more cutscenes added, but its hard to match the scenes with the beat of the music. I found the actual music video for Inner Universe http://youtube.com/watch?v=svWHGTMyWt8
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| :That's all for now.
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| [[User:EdT|EdT]] 04:42, 15 December 2006 (CET)
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| :The mail from Feral sounds nice. Looks like nagging pays off after all... We shall see.
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| | |
| :You should check out [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwine Darwine] rather than CrossOver. There are issues, but it's definitely not commercial...
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| :I've timed the thing yesterday. SP1 to SP4 is ''just'' feasible in 2:45, all cutscenes included.
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| :So I'd leave the original zipline sounds for the intro, and start the music at SP1.
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| :If you're serious about "Storming the Rooftops" on a regular basis (that's awesome movement training, sure)...
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| :I'd take Loser's script as a basis, rather than ssg's, because setting up Mukade is more work than bypassing cutscenes...
| |
| :As for the timer: time limits are frustrating (''Loser's script is frustrating''), so I won't be doing this.
| |
| :What I have right now is a nice trainer script with the time (minutes, seconds, tenths) '''dmsg'''ed in a column.
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| :The difference with the timer is that it's not a countdown: just the time since you started the SP.
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| :I can pause the counter during cutscenes (whereas the built-in timer can't be paused).
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| :I can reset the counter (and call '''restore_game''') with certain animations. Flailing resets, too.
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| :Apart from that, I'm invincible, and there are no AI. So I can train for speed with a 100% clear path.
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| :It would be exactly the same with the level logic on: no time limit; time ''bonuses'', maybe (hypos?).
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| :My best times right now are 0:40 from SP1 to the 1st elevator, 0:50 from SP2 to the zipline, and 0:20 from SP3 to the 2nd elevator.
| |
| :That fits perfectly with '''Stamina Rose''' (with all the musical movements of the track, strong beats etc).
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| | |
| :As for the "1 minute Oni" video, I meant exactly the "filmlets" suggested by Mango. Sorta like [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_vs._Blue Red VS Blue]...
| |
| :As for your "shorter" storyline video, I might have a few suggestions about syncing.
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| ::(make Konoko dive into the acid and land in front of Griffin's office, all in one movement)
| |
| :Point is, if such a collaboration is OK with you, perhaps it would makes sense to
| |
| ::lay out the timeline of a Hi-Q video here on the wiki, and open it to suggestions on {{OCF}}...
| |
| :Another ass-kicking video I had in mind (it's itching, it's itching...) would be set to Rob Zombie's Superbeast.
| |
| ::A little bit in-your-face, but well-fit to illustrate the more badass side of Oni: boss fights.
| |
| :Barabas, Mukade, Mutant Muro, and more generally, the violent side of the Daodan
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| :"Yeah-hey, I'm the one that you wanted, yeah-hey, I'm your super beast" (Konoko disarming Griffin)
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| :^^
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| :Oh, BTW, I think now I ''really'' know who Mukade is... ^^
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 01:45, 17 December 2006 (CET)
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| :Thanks for the the tip about Konoko diving in acid/landing at office, it looks great!
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| :I think it would be fun to make a collaboration of Stamina Rose.
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| :Can you post the Rooftops Trainer script.
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| :Regarding Darwine, a known flaw is ''Darwine doesn't have working sound at this time'', that would spoil the fun of Oni :-)
| |
| :Care to share who Mukade is? Or you could post that question on OCF "Who is Mukade?"
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| ::[[User:EdT|EdT]] 04:48, 21 December 2006 (CET)
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| ==This is getting long...==
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| ;May comment out or delete some of the older stuff...
| |
| :About Darwine: the lack of sound is a well-known flaw indeed... But.
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| :I thought you were beyond that: I frequently "play" Oni with no sound ^^
| |
| | |
| :About Mukade: the Mukade=Hasegawa theory is controversial but pretty obvious.
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| :I've elaborated that theory in great detail on the ASFO2 thread.
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| :My more recent revelation was somewhat more cynical :
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| ::He'd be Marathon's Security Officer AKA Halo's Master Chief ^^
| |
| :Rather than an ordinary thread, I'd make it a poll, but I need a few more options:
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| :*an android? (interesting...)
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| :*an alien? (Pfhor or S'Pht or Covenant or?)
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| :*the Seventh incarnation of the Leveler? (who?)
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| :*the Laughing Man?
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| :*Obi-wan Kenobi?
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| :*your father?
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| :*etc...
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| :I may have other tips for your "Oni Universe Too"
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| ::(or are you planning to change the soundtrack?),
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| :but they're better if they're incremental to a WIP that's visible somewhere.
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| ::wanted scenes, timeline of the soundtrack, that kind of thing.
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| :As for Stamina Rose (and Superbeast), I may start a page here...
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| :The trainer (it's not really specific to Rooftops) is no big deal at all.
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| var int m=0;
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| var int S=0;
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| var int s=0;
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| var int d=0;
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| func main {
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| invincible=1
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| fork TickTockReset
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| fork TickTock
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| }
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| func TickTockReset {
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| restore_game
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| ai2_kill
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| m=0; S=0; s=0; d=0;
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| sleep 1
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| chr_wait_animation 0 KONOKOjump_flail KONOKOrun_bk_1stepa KONCOMrun_bk_1stepa
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| fork TickTockReset
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| }
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| func TickTock {
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| dmsg " "
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| PrintDigit(m); PrintDigit(S); PrintDigit(s); PrintDigit(d);
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| sleep 6
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| d=d+1; if(d eq 10) {d=0;
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| s=s+1; if(s eq 10) {s=0;
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| S=S+1; if(S eq 6) {S=0;
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| m=m+1; if(m eq 10) m=0;
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| }
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| }
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| }
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| fork TickTock
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| }
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| func PrintDigit(int digit){
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| if(digit eq 0) dmsg "0"
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| if(digit eq 1) dmsg "1"
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| if(digit eq 2) dmsg "2"
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| if(digit eq 3) dmsg "3"
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| if(digit eq 4) dmsg "4"
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| if(digit eq 5) dmsg "5"
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| if(digit eq 6) dmsg "6"
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| if(digit eq 7) dmsg "7"
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| if(digit eq 8) dmsg "8"
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| if(digit eq 9) dmsg "9"
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| }
| |
| :In order to use this, you need to have the savepoints recorded properly
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| ::(i.e., you need to have played the original level once)
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| :Then remove the original scripts and keep only the above stuff.
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| :The '''chr_wait_animation''' may be frustrating if you feel like backpedaling at some point or another.
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| :Also, obviously, the timer will fail to reset if you've shapeshifted to a non-KON character.
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| :Those two can be "fixed" by customizing the '''chr_wait_anim...''' line, as usual.
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| :Thanks for the trainer script.
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| :The "Oni Universe Take2" is almost done, there are more cutscenes that are edited for a faster pace.
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| :So if you have any more ideas, please let me know ASAP!
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| :Other ideas about Mukade
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| :*Sonny Chiba (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0002002/)
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| :*Motoko in disguise (hey that's another poll "who would win in a fight between Konoko and Motoko?)
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| :*askaninja
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| ::;EdT
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| :"Take 2", eh? Nice one... ^^
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| :I can't make any specific suggestions if I can't see anything specific.
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| :For one thing, I don't know if you mean to keep the order chronological.
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| :More dynamic splicing of the cutscenes is a general request: you have that covered.
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| :Another "tip" would be to fit some scenes to the English/Russian lyrics.
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| :(but that basically supposes a largely non-chronological reshuffle)
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| :More generally, telling Oni's story in a linear way, to some soundtrack or another, is rather limited.
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| :Even if you shuffle them. Watching the same cutscenes over and over... the déjà vu is inevitable.
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| :Massively scripted and hacked videos... that's something different.
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| :I'm willing to provide scripts and binaries for "revolutionary" videos.
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| :So revolutionary they'll look like Oni 2 trailers ^^. Your call.
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| :If you don't care about the tenth-of-a-second precision,
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| :the trainer script can be modified as follows:
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| var float time=0.;
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| func main {
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| invincible=1
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| fork TickTockReset
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| fork TickTock
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| }
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| func TickTockReset {
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| restore_game(); ai2_kill(); time= 0;
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| chr_wait_animation 0 KONOKOjump_flail KONOKOrun_bk_1stepa KONCOMrun_bk_1stepa
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| sleep 13; fork TickTockReset
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| }
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| func TickTock {
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| dmsg " "
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| sleep 6
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| time= time + 0.1;
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| if(time > 3600.) time= 0.
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| timer_start(time);
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| fork TickTock
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| }
| |
| :The advantage is that when you pause the game, the (frozen) timer will remain visible.
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| :Concerning Mukade, suitable actors would make the list too long if I added them.
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| ::(If you look [[Oni2:Influences/Kill Bill|HERE]], you'll see that Chiba is indeed very close, alongside Chia Hui Liu)
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| ::(so maybe I'll add him)
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| ::(there can only be 10 options to pick from, the rest will have to go in a post...)
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| ::("Ooh choices")
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| :Motoko is already there, sorta. "askaninja" sounds weird.
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:20, 25 December 2006 (CET)
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| :This is LastmanSAC, just wanted to say hello.
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| :Do you guys all use Macs, because i've only got the PS2 port.
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| :And is there any way you can run Oni on a Xp or windows?
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| :Keep up the good work?
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| ::P.S Mukade isn't a Daoden as far as Muro and Baraas are concerned. But he has the ''original'' Daoden that Konoko has inside her. My theory is that Muro has been implanted with a second generation Daoden cell, and that Mukade has the same Daoden strcutre as Konoko, so they can sense each other.
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| ::OR something.
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| :Bye
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| ::[[User:LastmanSAC|LastmanSAC]] 14:58, 1 September 2007 (CEST)
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| :Hi,
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| :*Oni was released for Windows, Mac, and PS2. Most of the hacking is carried out on PC, but we've managed to release a few fixes/upgrades for the Mac engine (nothing as powerful as the [[Daodan DLL]], though). The PS2 port is not subject to modding at all, sorry.
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| :*Any self-consistent theory concerning [[Mukade]] is welcome. My personal idea is that both [[Mai]] and [[Muro]] are both 2nd-gen and thus much closer genetically to the 1st-gen Mukade than to each other. That said, the telepathy in {{C12}} doesn't have to be 100% real.
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| :*Not sure what you mean by "Mukade isn't a Daodan as far as Muro and Barabas are concerned": that neither [[Muro]] nor [[Barabas]] know that [[Mukade]] is a [[Daodan]]?
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:46, 3 September 2007 (CEST)
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| Your theory on Mukade probably makes more sense. And as for "Mukade isn't a Daoden..." i meant that Mukade is from a different branch of the Daoden...family, and that he and Konoko share a telepathic bond because of their being part of the same family. Whether Mai is 1st or 2nd gen is probably immaterial. Muro and Barrabas possibly have a more ''refined'' daoden cell, that although appears to be more docile (as far as a daoden can be) may be easier to control and thus keep a semblance of homo sapien-ness. I think that the imago stage of Muro, may be a imperfection in his generation of daoden, as Konoko didn't need to transform to beat him (more evidence for the case). Perhaps what the Elite Strikers have is yet another generation of Daoden, thus are easily beaten by Konoko. They are refined even further, yet capable of retaining the humanity (I.E, emotional conrtol) Konoko is yet to lose (completely).
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| By the way, maybe Mukade lead the raid that captured Muro and the Daoden cells and realised their potential, but kept it from Mukade. Or not.
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| i hope that makes sense...
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| --[[User:LastmanSAC|LastmanSAC]] 13:01, 7 September 2007 (CEST)
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| *No matter how much sense "my theory" makes, it's always better to have several parallel theories.<br>However, your points would make more sense if you proofread them a bit more. Have a look at this:
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| ::"Mukade [...] realised their potential, but kept it from Mukade." OK now, ''who'' kept it from ''whom''?
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| *An [[Imago]] is "perfect" in the sense that it is a final stage, but that also means it stopped evolving.<br>Therefore a symbiosis in progress (e.g., Mai's) can be seen as superior to Imago in terms of potential.
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| *I don't think it's a good idea to pack Oni with 2nd-rate symbiotes ([[Elite]]s). It trivializes the Daodan.<br>If anything, I'd assume that the [[Ninja]] are a successful breed of super-soldiers (Daodandroids ^^).
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| *My point about Mai and Muro is that there's the same bond between Mukade and Muro as between Mukade and Mai.<br>Muro and Mai are both closer to Mukade than to each other (genetically), hence the more intense telepathy/whatever.
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 03:42, 9 September 2007 (CEST)
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| * About super-soldiers, [[User:Paradox-01/quotes_chef_1|HERE]] is a suitable statement by "chef" (Hardy LeBel).
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| * But I don't see why Muro and Mai should differ a lot. The commune idea is that they are (two-egg-)twins.<br>Additional: Kerr talked about two prototypes.<br>I think commune scientific is again that a test serial works the same type. Improvements/Limitations in a second run.<br>So, genetically, shouldn't Muro and Mai feel more connected to each other?
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| :: [[User:Paradox-01|Paradox-01]] 19:14, 9 September 2007 (CEST)
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| *Hardy's statement is about Mukade, not the Ninja. I think there's a fundamental difference between the two ^_^<br>I don't like the tiger analogy (tigers just smell each other's pee), but the idea of an "uncontrolled" bond is nice.<br>Whether it's pheromones or "telepathy" (with a touch of subjectivity), neither one totally controls the "messages".
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| *As long they are not perfect twins, siblings are usually further apart from each other than from their parents ^_^<br>That's just genetic recombination at work: one of the main mechanisms of biodiversity, the other being mutation.<br>So Muro and Mai ''could'' feel each other, but a lot less intensely than they would feel a Daodanned Hasegawa.
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| *Of course, Mukade=Hasegawa is not the only explanation of the Mai-Mukade bond.<br>It could be that Mai's "killer sense" was disrupted through denial when Mukade died.<br>Still, the total absence of bond between Mai and Muro or Barabas is disturbing.<br>Also note that the senseloop between Shinatama and Mai is one-way only.
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:06, 9 September 2007 (CEST)
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| ==Placeholders. Right.==
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| :Subject: Restless Souls/Reconstruction/Gapfilling; 20:24 . . Geyser (Talk | contribs) (Reverted edits by 213.211.227.113 (Talk); changed back to last version by 88.72.160.74)
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| :Any reasons for that? He/she fixed a lot of spelling mistakes. And the formula + the "thatsnotsexylink" looks more like placeholders to me, because he/she removed them with the last edit.
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| ::;ssg
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| :Are you kidding? o_O
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| :The spelling mistakes were fixed in an automatic way, probably with a spellchecker. Worthless.
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| :Maybe I overreacted, but it seems to me that all four edits were cases of spam/vandalism.
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| :If anything, how can we tolerate users who include ''that'' kind of picture in our pages?
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| :So ''what'' if he removed it 2 seconds later? Oh, so those "placeholders" were "jokes"?
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| :Those are the kind of jokes that make people doubt the joker's good will forever...
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| :The person who did this has been behaving rather weirdly on the IRC channel, too.
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| :I've analyzed his edits together with paradox-01 (the author of RS) and Alloc.
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| :Have another look at those edits and talk to Alloc if you want more info.
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 22:45, 10 September 2007 (CEST)
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| :Well, I've checked the history:
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| ::1st edit: fixed spelling mistakes
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| ::2nd edit: fixed spelling mistakes + added formula
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| ::3rd edit: added link (I didn't watch the pic) + deleted formula
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| ::4th edit: deleted link
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| :The last edit was clean. After your "rollback" the mistakes are there again. That's why I asked.
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| ::[[User:Ssg|Ssg]] 23:07, 10 September 2007 (CEST)
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| :Rollbacks undo all edits by a user in a row, unlike manual reverts.
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| ::In this case, it was IMO appropriate to revert all four edits.
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| :*There's the image, of course. The image was already enough.
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| :*The "formula" was nothing like a real formula. Plain weird.
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| :*The "fixed spelling" introduced a number of new mistakes (!)
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| ::Therefore I think it was just a (bad) spellchecker routine.
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| :It is not critical to fix the spelling of RS pages,
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| ::because they'll be translated in-place anyway.
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| :Voilà.
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 02:09, 11 September 2007 (CEST)
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| :''The "fixed spelling" introduced a number of new mistakes (!)
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| :Now I'm curious. What new mistakes?
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| ::[[User:Ssg|Ssg]] 11:31, 11 September 2007 (CEST)
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| *My bad. No new mistakes. I overreacted + didn't bother to check. Shame on me.
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| :At first sight I found "womöglich", "nichtsdestotrotz" and "sowas" unlikely.
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| *Actually, I didn't mean to revert the first two edits at first...
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| :After the rollback, I guess I sorta made up those "new" mistakes.
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| *Basically, I didn't want to make a new edit just to restore that.
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| :Because it would have meant a step in the direction of the joker.
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| ::[[User:Geyser|geyser]] 21:03, 11 September 2007 (CEST)
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| :Two more cents from me (the author of RS).
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| :I talked to him. Eventually he admitted to those sudden actions.
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| :He tried editing seriously, then toyed with wiki functions (formula), and finally put and deleted the link. (Bad Joke <sup>TM</sup>, indeed)
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| :[http://www.webspace-invasion.com/jackd/Bilder/Forum/the-spam-case.gif talk with freddy aka Manu]
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| :I "reallowed" him to proofread my texts from now on, but in any case not more than that.
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| :He won't do such a thing again. (PS: Yes, he is a bored, strange person)
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| ::[[User:Paradox-01|Paradox-01]] 16:46, 11 September 2007 (CEST)
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