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This pages focuses on three major techs whereas I the Daodan part is the most finished one. | |||
==Daodan Chrysalis== | ==Daodan Chrysalis== | ||
===Hasegawa's motive and criticism=== | ===Hasegawa's motive and criticism=== | ||
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=== | ===High performance via polyploidy?=== | ||
A genome can consist of many chromosomes. If all its chomosomes are unique then the chromosome set is haploid. A genome of two sets is diploid, a trippled set make it triploid, and so on. | |||
So polyploid means "having many chromosome sets". | |||
Natural polyploidy can result in higher vitatlity. It can rise the rates of protein biosynthesis due to stronger parallelization of the processes. An already historic example can be seen in wheat. Humans bred wheat whereby they doubled repeatedly the plant's chromosome set to harvest more grains. | |||
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Deinococcus radiodurans (''Conan the Bacterium'') is also polyloid, 4 sets when inactive, 8 up to 10 when growing. | |||
The plant Arabidopsis thaliana (125 Mbp) has a diploid set with 10 chromosoms and can multiply them up to 320 chromosomes. | |||
Humans have (3000 Mbp), 48 chromosoms (diploid). --> | |||
'''Problem''' | |||
Humans with unneeded chromosome copies often dies before or shortly after birth or suffer diseasies. A non-lethal diseasi is the Down sydrom which comes from a third copy of the 21st chromosom hence it's also called trisomy 21. | |||
This shows us that simply multipling chromosoms for a performance boost won't work. | |||
'''Solution''' | |||
However, despite human cells have a diploid genome there are also cell types that are naturally polyploid. For instance this is true for heart muscle cells, liver cells and [[wikipedia:Megakaryocyte#Megakaryocyte_development|megakaryoblast]] (blood-forming cells). | |||
This and the example of the Down syndrom make it clear that not all celltypes are suited for additional chromosoms or whole sets. | |||
Healthy constellations of multiple sets might be traced back to ''deactivations''. | |||
Example for single chromosome deactivation: In women one of the X chromosomes is epigenetically deactivated. That way men (XY) and women (XX) have both only one active X chromosome and hence they produce nearly the same dosis of gen products from the X chromosome(s). | |||
Example for general deactivations: Epigentic processes like DNA-methylation generate different cell types despite the genetic code is the same in all cells. (Think back to liver cells which are differentiated cells but also allow tolerated polyploidy.) | |||
If Daodan cells would be polyploid than it require to deactivate unneeded regions or whole chromosomes of the sets. However imposing real standards I think that polyploidy could be never the only reason for the marvelousness regeneration skill of Oni's hypothetical Daodan. | |||
=== | ===Transformation: control and power=== | ||
Is Muro's transformation irreversible? Before he transformed he said "You are capable of so much more. Let me show you..." It implies that he has some control over his transformation. How much is not known. | Is Muro's transformation irreversible? Before he transformed he said "You are capable of so much more. Let me show you..." It implies that he has some control over his transformation. How much is not known. | ||
: A) He was able to delay the final transformation and triggered it later by will. | : A) He was able to delay the final transformation and triggered it later by will. | ||
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: ''[[Quotes/Objectives#CHAPTER_14_._DAWN_OF_THE_CHRYSALIS|(...)]] Muro has achieved the next level of Daodan evolution: the Imago stage. Muro's Daodan powers make him invulnerable, but having only just evolved he has limited energy reserves. You can hurt him when his energy is drained.'' | : ''[[Quotes/Objectives#CHAPTER_14_._DAWN_OF_THE_CHRYSALIS|(...)]] Muro has achieved the next level of Daodan evolution: the Imago stage. Muro's Daodan powers make him invulnerable, but having only just evolved he has limited energy reserves. You can hurt him when his energy is drained.'' | ||
To be honest I don't like at all the point of unlimited energy. I'm rather a friend on realism and would like to keep the laws of nature. Especially the law of the [[wikipedia:Conservation_of_energy|conservation of energy]] and the [[wikipedia:Conservation_of_mass|conservation of matter]]. Energy and matter cannot come be created from nothing and cannot vanish to nothing. You could say that the Daodan draws energy from another dimension. But if this becomes reused as ''normal'' | Infinite energy: | ||
* To be honest I don't like at all the point of unlimited energy. I'm rather a friend on realism and would like to keep the laws of nature. Especially the law of the [[wikipedia:Conservation_of_energy|conservation of energy]] and the [[wikipedia:Conservation_of_mass|conservation of matter]]. Energy and matter cannot come be created from nothing and cannot vanish to nothing. | |||
* You could say that the Daodan also draws energy from another dimension and instead of ''infinite'' energy there's just more energy available than the DC can use. But still if this becomes reused as ''normal'' energy sorce you might get weapons that can easily erase Imagos. | |||
===Transformation: static metamorphosis=== | |||
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:(Some text that might be from a researcher's diary.) | |||
: ''The name still ''bugs'' us.'' | |||
:''All skills aside, also the Daodan is bounded to the laws of nature, it's not almighty. Extreme changes of the body in a short time probably requires a static state.<!-- biological development happens mostly in sheltered ''places'' like eggs, amniotic sac, or like in case of butterlies: a Chrysalis (for reaching another development stage. (note to self: for more ideas/recherche: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Developmental_biology#Metamorphosis, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecdysis -->'' | |||
:''In that aspect we might translate the full name "Daodan Chrysalis" as "code allowing metamorphoses to reach new states, each best-adapted to the new present environmental conditions" whereas "Chrysalis" could be also almost literally taken as "Chrysalis" [pupal stage of butterflies]. In this case we think it's some biological material at the body's outside to provides shelter and stability so a major metamorphosis can take place.'' | |||
: ''We think that this second ability might exist still hidden inside the code. Single, fast adaptions have been reported; the existence of complete, static transformations still needs to become proofed.'' | |||
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'''Statische Metamorphose''' | |||
: (Ein paar Zeilen, die aus einem Tagebuch eines GV-Wissenschaftler stammen könnten.)<!-- a way more updated than the English --> | |||
: ''Der Name gibt uns immer noch zu denken.'' | |||
: ''Trotz allen Fähigkeiten ist auch die Daodan an die Naturgesetze gebunden und nicht allmächtig. Extreme Umbauten des Körper in kurzer Zeit benötigen wahrscheinlich einen Ruhezustand.'' | |||
: ''Bis jetzt übersetzen wir den vollen Namen "Daodan-Chrysalis" als "Code, der Metamorphosen erlaubt um neue Zustände zu erreichen, die jeweils am besten an die dann vorherrschenden Umweltbedingungen angepasst sind".'' | |||
: ''Wegen der wahrscheinlich Ruhephase könnte "Chrysalis" vielleicht auch wortwörtlich verstanden werden sofern die Metamorphose ein biologisches Material aus Gründen der Stabilität und des Schutzes um die Körperoberfläche schafft.'' | |||
: ''Wir denken, dass sich diese zweite Fähigkeit noch im unverstandenen Code verstecken könnte. Einzelne, schnelle Anpassungen wurden beobachtet. Die Existenz von tiefgreifenden, Ruhe benötigen Metamorphosen will noch gefunden werden.'' | |||
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=== | ===Natural reproduction of human hosts=== | ||
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: | : [http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=26881#p26881 Iritscen's post] on the OCF initiated me to think about following problem. | ||
At new environmental conditions, randomly evolved traits helps members of a population to survive. The survivors then ensure the population's continuity by their reproduction. | |||
The Daodan reacts directly on environmental influences and probably – or largely – doesn't know anymore randomness. | |||
Therefor it's uncertain if the Daodan can manage or allow random recombination of genetic material during the sexual reproduction of Daodan hosts. For the Daodan, there's actually no more necessity for recombination. | |||
So, if no recombination happens, female gamete (egg cells) might become produced with or without genetic material whereby only empty egg cell can accept a male gamete. In any case, the chromosome set is already diploid which means that baby is a genetic clone of one of it's parents. (But you know, the personality is still shaped to a major degree by environment and education.) Contact of male hormones with female gamete (cell nucleus must be presented) marks the cell as fertilized. Implantation and embryonic development follows. The passing on of microbial Daodan symbionts happens during child's birth (...) and by intake of breast milk. ([[wikipedia:Bifidobacterium|Bifidobacteria]] can be taken as kind of RL example). | |||
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''' | '''Natürliche Fortpflanzung von menschlichen Wirten''' | ||
: | : [http://oni.bungie.org/community/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=26881#p26881 Iritscen's Beitrag] im OCF ließ mich über folgendes Problem nachdenken. | ||
Zufällig hervorgebrachte Merkmale helfen Mitglieder einer Population bei neuen Umweltbedingungen zu überleben. Die Überlebenden sichern den Fortbestand der Population. | |||
Die Daodan reagiert direkt auf Umwelteinflüsse und kennt wahrscheinlich – oder zum großen Teil – keine Zufälligkeiten mehr. Bei der sexuellen Fortpflanzung von Daodan-Trägern ist es daher ungewiss ob die Daodan mit der Rekombination des Erbguts zurechtkommt oder dies zumindest zulässt. Es besteht für die Rekombination eigentlich keine Notwendigkeit mehr. | |||
Wenn keine Rekombination stattfindet, könnten vielleicht weibliche Gameten (Eizellen) mit und ohne Erbgut entstehen, wobei nur die weibliche Gameten ohne Erbgut ein männlichen Gamet aufnehmen. Die Gameten sind also zu Beginn schon diploid. (Sie haben einen doppelten Chromosomensatz, der für gesunde Menschen erforderlich ist). Der Kontakt von männlichen Hormonen qualifiziert die Eizelle zur „Zygote“; es hat also jetzt den Status „befruchtet“. Nidation und embryonelle Entwickung folgt. Die Weitergabe mikrobiellen Daodan-Symbionten findet bei der Geburt statt (...) und mit der Aufnahme in der Muttermilch. (Die Weitergabe von [http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bifidobacterium Bifidobakterien] könnte man als eine Art Beispiel aus dem echten Leben nennen.) | |||
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