AE talk:BGI

I am commandeering this page for discussion of what needs to be done for BGI. --Gumby

1. Add BGI to levels
   1. We need to know where the first and major fights are going to be, levelwise. Until that is known, all that can be done is adding HalfLife style sightings in, but nothing more. That means you, geyser
   2. Start scripting it. That simple :)
2. Get a new model for the troops. The current one is a placeholder, right?
   1. Get some sort of sketch of what we want (geyser could do this, too :) )
   2. Have someone (Iritscen, maybe\probably) model it
   3. Put it in ^_^

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1. "That means you, geyser" - sorry, but what do you mean by "that"? What do you need me for? I've already told you: G-Man style sighting at the end of CHAPTER 02 . ENGINES OF EVIL and at the beginning of CHAPTER 04 . TIGER BY THE TAIL (DeLorean), minor fight as soon as in CHAPTER 07 . A FRIEND IN NEED, major fight in CHAPTER 10 . CAT AND MOUSE, and of course in CHAPTER 11 . DREAM DIVER, freestyle. I'd rather not give you more specifics at this point: let's see what you can deliver on your own along these guidelines. The G-Man sighting in CHAPTER 02 . ENGINES OF EVIL, for example: haven't I spelled it out already? need a picture? As for the fights, admittedly you need specific advice for CHAPTER 07 . A FRIEND IN NEED and CHAPTER 10 . CAT AND MOUSE, but in the case of CHAPTER 11 . DREAM DIVER you are already free to start: Konoko is haunted by BGI, which she may never have fought before, for all we care - like Muro.
2. No offense to Iritscen, but we have no modelers who can beat the placeholder. None. One fairly good option is to retexture the Chief to some extent, but we don't have many texture artists either: when SeverED is done with HD Konoko, we'll see what he can do about BGI items (armor, guns, vehicle), but - don't hold your breath. Another fair option is something like THIS: this takes less of a modeler (I guess both Gumby or Iritscen could get the hang of it, heck, even ONIrules... maybe), but there may be texturing involved, too, depending on what you want. But definitely, stick with the Chief for now, or go with the bastard thing if you're extra-bored - anything else is scope-creepy, duh.

Oh, and don't forget you've got the cutscenes and savepoints to do first, Gumby. Unless you have "good inspiration" for BGI, by all means stick to cutscene skipping and extra savepoints.

geyser 04:36, 17 November 2008 (CET)

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1. No, you didn't tell me. All I knew about was the G-Man sightings. :) That is exactly the sort of thing I've been needing, thanks.
2. No comment :)

Gumby 05:05, 17 November 2008 (CET)

Concept for BGI Troops

Use different parts from MC to enhance Fury, Elite, Strikers, etc, all are dressed in black. Perhaps giving all the BGI members the "white eyes".

EdT 18:10, 19 November 2008 (CET)

Wow, those look great! The one on the right is probably one of the best candidates. Any way you could change his eye color to blue? (I just wanna see what it looks like, and for more seperation from Elites. Gumby 18:21, 19 November 2008 (CET)

Like that :P Gumby 01:10, 20 November 2008 (CET)

Like this?

The receptionist fights like a fury and the Thug fights like a ninja, both are working undercover.

Level Plugin for Mac and PC http://edt.oni2.net/bgi/BGI_Troop.zip Updated Nov 20, 2008

Enjoy EdT 03:55, 20 November 2008 (CET)

Whoa! Looks nice. I think the Tanker needs a visor and\or a new hairstyle though. At the very least, give him brown\black hair :) :P Also, I would recommend giving him a full shirt, not some odd vest\arm combination. Receptionist needs normal eyes, or she will stand out. But that version might work for some sort of female exec. Also, the BGI-ninja looks a little too freaky. Ninja heads are odd enough on the slim bodies they have, but on a bigger body they look like some sort of insect.

Gumby 05:50, 20 November 2008 (CET)

On second thought, maybe orange is ok. But it needs to look a little less Syndicate clone (even though they are probably technically one and the same, you need to be able to differentiate them) Gumby 07:25, 20 November 2008 (CET)

Updated the look of some troops. How's this for a background story, Jubei and Akane are a brother and sister ninja team, they would always appear together in the game. EdT 02:31, 21 November 2008 (CET)

Tanker - much better :)

"Jubei" - I like his helmetless look. If it isn't too much work, does it look good if his eyes are blue, too? :P

"Akane" - I like her look a lot, but I'm not sure how well it will go with what little plans we have. I am still nervous about putting fury type enemies in. If you can give her something that makes her unique\interesting (different than normal Furies), it would improve her chances. I can't promise anything though.

"Jubei + Akane" - There aren't enough encounters for them to "always" be seen together, unless "always" is only one level :). And backstory won't been seen at all in the actual game. They might work as some sort of a boss, I guess, if Jubei was given a "heavier" style, for a more exciting fight.

Striker - Needs a different upper half completely. I would recommend adding Mukade style armour texturing on the torso, and doing something to the helmet to make it less Strikeresque. Maybe this - http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3d-iron-man-helmet-model/424900 :D (Yes, "poor mans modding, but that helmet is awesome :) )

In general - "Less like Syndicate clones and more like Mukade" (paraphrased by geyser).

Giving some of the black parts reflectivity might look nice.

Overall, they look good, though the striker needs a lot of work. Gumby 05:59, 21 November 2008 (CET)

I will work at incorporating your comments into the next revision. Not sure when I'll have time, next few days will be busy. For Akane, what if we gave her the ninja TRAC? If so, I could increase the body size so the pelvis height matches the ninja, then scale her down in the ONCC. My thoughts for Jubei and Akane, is that they would always appear together, so if you script an encounter with Jubei, Akane will be there. Think of 2 for the price of 1 :)

If you have any other ideas for non-Syndicate clones types, let me know. EdT 06:53, 21 November 2008 (CET)

I am fine with either TRAC. I just want her to be unique...more than a Fury in a suit :). I'm not sure exactly what I want myself. Hmm. Maybe a lower face mask or something :) (including a neck guard). Maybe I ask too much :P

No hurry on making improvements though, the scripting hasn't even started yet. Gumby 07:07, 21 November 2008 (CET)

I've been following the conversation waiting to have something to say that Gumby hasn't already said; I mostly agree with everything he's written so far. But I think the Striker is too generic a foe, no matter how he's dressed up, to be BGI. Since we seem to be going in the direction of a more clandestine bunch of guys, might I recommend replacing the Striker with a BGI-fied Mercenary? Perhaps give him a weapon a bit more dangerous than even the Mercury Bow. The Mercenary appears much less in the game than Strikers, and in only one form, so I'd rather see a modded version of him on the BGI team. Secondly, I think the Tanker might be fine with just a visor added over the upper half of his face. I am ambivalent about hair color because I like the red so much. Also, how would lower-face ninja masks look on Akane and Jubei? Think traditional ninja masks, not the ninjas from the game. Finally, I am afraid that we are over-doing it with the white eyes, as cool as they look. I recommend giving normal, black eyes to the ninja siblings and the receptionist. And I am afraid that giving them to the Tanker will send mixed messages, since he is an SLD and the executives are human (well, perhaps augmented somehow, but not artifically-created, right?). Of course, adding a visor to the Tanker will hide his eyes anyway, making this point moot.

If any of this seems to require original modeling, and you want help, just let me know. --iritscen 14:38, 21 November 2008 (CET)

P.S.: As Gumby said, no hurry, really. --iritscen 16:22, 21 November 2008 (CET)

To add a visor to the Tanker will require 3D work, I'll leave that to you Iritscen. Perhaps we can use the particles from Onirules' plasma rifle in a different weapon for the Mercenary.

Jubei and Akane

Jubei's eyepatch seems like a step backwards :) If you really want him to cover an eye, give him an HUD thing :)

I like Akane's mask, but it looks like should extend down onto her neck (and wrap around to the back of her neck).

Sorry, not too much nice to say about this one. Their eyes look nice, if thats any consolation. Gumby 05:26, 22 November 2008 (CET)

Obviously you haven't hear of Yagyuu Jubei :) EdT

No, I haven't. :D. Either way, the eye patch seems a little silly to me. :)

Is there any way you could modernize the patch? (Still keeping the refernce, just making it look at home in Oni) Gumby 09:30, 22 November 2008 (CET)

Just to let you know, the latest version of your plugin screws up RF\DSK's trails. I don't know why ATM, I need to look inside your plugin. Gumby 08:57, 24 November 2008 (CET)

BGI Striker

I took a look at the Iron Man helmet, it has 248,800 polygons! Don't think Oni can handle that! :) My plugin only has ONCC, TRBS, TRMA, TXMP, ONWC and M3GM files, how could they mess up your RF\DSK trails? RF\DSK works fine in my game. EdT 06:03, 25 November 2008 (CET)

Helmet - isn't there some way you could downgrade the detail? :(

trails - I honestly have no idea. I'll have to try it on my fresh Oni install on my laptop.

Gumby 09:09, 25 November 2008 (CET)